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Blacksburg...32 dead....nothing done to address gun violence in America.

Newtown...26 dead...nothing done to address gun violence in America.

Orlando...49 dead...nothing done to address gun violence in America.

Las Vegas...59 dead, and it could be more...nothing will be done to address gun violence in America.

 

It's a subject few want to discuss or even debate.  Just because it's built into our laws that people have a right to protect themselves by any means possible, what can we do to ensure that fewer people who wish to corrupt such laws are prevented from having such weaponry?  And I'm asking this rhetorically, because apparently, just one little thing can make somebody snap and take as many innocent lives as possible, when the root of the problem lies with the individual themselves.

 

I read a story in the news a few weeks ago about the economic and social impact on a West Virginia town, after Wal-Mart closed one of its stores in the southern part of the state.  The closest Wal-Mart to the people affected was about an hour's drive away, and their region had become a food desert due to the closing of the local store.  What got me while reading the article was a man they interviewed about the impact of the store's closing.  He said he'd have to go further to get ammunition for his guns, and he had 140 of them!

 

One household...140 guns...un-freakin' real!

 

Orlando held the dubious distinction of being the site of the worst mass killing in the USA.  That title was relinquished less than 16 months after it happened.  How long Las Vegas will hold the record, only time will tell.  Sadly, I suspect something like this will happen again, and the same questions and investigations will be asked and held to make sense of it all.  In the meantime, who's next?  Charlotte?  Seattle?  San Antonio?

 

America used to be a fun place to grow up and live in.  Since 9/11, we've turned into a psychologically damaged nation that subscribes to 'fighting fire with fire', despite the scorched earth that is ultimately left in its wake.

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Yeah. I listened to Donny's speech on NPR as I drove to my tennis match yesterday morning.

 

And after he was done, I started to wonder if perhaps he's missed his true calling in life?!

 

(...'cause the guy might have made a pretty decent minister or pastor if only he'd have concentrated his life's efforts on that sort of thing instead of on the Almighty Dollar)

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The Gun Lobby Is Down to Its Last, Unconvincing Excuse -

 

 

"Las Vegas rips apart the "good guy with a gun" justification, leaving only a flawed constitutional take to justify the madness......

 

We're still in the "NRA has yet to respond" period of the story, a dependable trope in the weirdly inflexible script of these massacre tales. This "deafening NRA silence" period usually coincides with news from Wall Street showing sharp upticks in the share prices of arms manufacturers. (We've already seen this this week.)

Gun stocks always bounce in advance of surges in gun sales, which are driven by fears in prepper country of hardcore gun control legislation that, of course, never actually comes.....

 

So the more horrifying the gun disaster, the more gun companies and gun lobbyists profit.

From here the logic of concentrated benefits and dispersed costs comes violently into play. Aggressive, well-funded lobbying by an industry that claims a $49 billion impact to the national economy always trumps the relatively disorganized horror and revulsion of ordinary voters......

 

...gets dicier when the issue turns to concealed weapons, and then becomes an exercise in pure political **** and pseudo-intellectualism once it comes to making up justifications for selling military-grade weapons to Internet shoppers...

 

The NRA, which proudly sells "Because You Can't Fist Fight Tyranny" t-shirts, will eventually come around to arguing, even if only by implication, that massacres like Las Vegas are just the price we must pay to ensure that the individual is never left defenseless against government repression.

When the industry isn't letting its guard down and marketing AR-15s to morons gearing up for the coming zombie apocalypse (this is a real thing in the gun sales world), this is the narrative gun manufacturers use to sell to ardent collectors.

Just like cigarette companies told smokers they were hunky Marlboro Men, gun manufacturers sell a thrilling image to gun owners, telling them they're bulwarks against new-world-order tyranny....

 

Former Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger, a conservative nominated by Nixon, was one of those jurists. He said Second Amendment arguments were a "fraud" and believed the "right to bear arms" belonged to the states, not individuals.......

 

People aren't buying up military-grade weapons in preparation for some new-world-order Anschluss into flyover country.

Americans are just bored and crazy and insecure and like to calm their nerves by shooting bottles, Kim Jong-un paper targets, and, pretty regularly now, crowds full of innocent human beings.

It's madness, and there aren't enough highly paid pseudo-intellectual gun lobbyists in the world to justify it anymore.

Can we finally at least drop the pretense that this is about anything but money?"

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-gun-lobby-is-down-to-its-last-unconvincing-excuse-w506851

 

 

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POLITICOVerified account @politico 28m28 minutes ago

 
 

1f4b0.png We analyzed gun lobbyist contributions during the 2016 election cycle. Here's how much your representative gets: http://politi.co/2fGLP17 

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$5,900,000

given to Republicans in 2016 election cycle

$106,000

given to Democrats in 2016 election cycle..........

 

 

I don't know about the other two but Ryan wins election after election by a wide margin.

 

This means the voters in those districts want these people in office (either despite their views on guns, but more likely because of their views on guns.

 

It is silly to fault groups like the NRA.   Instead face reality;   pro-gun-control voters are NOT single-issue voters while anti-gun-control voters tend to be.      

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Nevada voters had approved a gun control law. It was blocked by their AG days before it was due to go into effect.

 

 

 

I assume the AG is an elected official; therefore the people got what they wanted.

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"Leadership is about doing the right thing, even if it going against a vast number of naysayers and mediocre people."

 

— N. R. Narayana Murthy

 

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Chuck Todd unearths video of Don Jr. advertising gun silencers that help ‘get little kids into the game’

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/chuck-todd-unearths-video-of-don-jr-advertising-gun-silencers-that-help-get-little-kids-into-the-game/

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Don jr-- The Poster Boy for the NRA Silencer Movement

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I got the answer, organize massive amounts of Progressive Groups arming themselves and training with automatics, see how fast "Conservatists" clamp down on who can own what. lol.  

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I got the answer, organize massive amounts of Progressive Groups arming themselves and training with automatics, see how fast "Conservatists" clamp down on who can own what. lol.  

 

Aaaah yes, CJ. Perhaps you know something along these very lines has a bit of a historical basis.

 

The "Mulford Act", named after conservative Republican California assemblyman Don Mulford who introduced the legislation and which Ronald Reagan gladly signed while the governor of that state in 1967, repealed an earlier California law allowing public carrying of loaded firearms.

 

The bill was prompted by the actions of members of the Black Panther Party who had armed themselves while performing neighborhood watch functions within their communities.

 

The bill's passage would especially be facilitated after 26 armed Black Panthers occupied the California Statehouse during which discussion and debate about that bill was to have taken place.

 

Governor Reagan was present when the protesters arrived and later commented that he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons" and that guns were a "ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will."

 

(...yep, kind of ironic what Ronnie said there, especially considering that he's almost been canonized as a "saint" by the conservative and NRA-beholding politicos within this country today, isn't it?!)

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White House: ‘This Is Not The Geologic Era To Debate Gun Control’

 

WASHINGTON—Deflecting questions in the aftermath of the mass shooting in Las Vegas that killed 59 people and injured over 500 more, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told reporters Tuesday that this is not the geologic era in which to debate gun control. “Out of respect for the families of the victims, we’re going to hold off on engaging in discourse over the regulation of firearms for a few eons,” said Sanders, adding that it would be premature to discuss enacting any sort of policies to prevent mass shootings until the next ice age has set in, likely long after the extinction of the human race. “Once the nation has had time to properly grieve and the continents have completed millions of years of tectonic migration to collide into one supercontinent, then we can bring this issue to the table. However, until a new dominant species rules the earth, it’s just not appropriate to address this issue.” At press time, Sanders said that a more realistic time to discuss gun control was after the sun expanded into its red giant stage and engulfed the planet.

 

http://www.theonion.com/article/white-house-not-geologic-era-debate-gun-control-57108

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NRA Says Mass Shootings Just The Unfortunate Price Of Protecting People’s Freedom To Commit Mass Shootings

 

FAIRFAX, VA—In the aftermath of a shooting in Las Vegas that left at least 58 people dead and more than 500 wounded, National Rifle Association officials said Monday that mass shootings are just the unfortunate price of protecting people’s freedom to commit mass shootings. “What happened in Las Vegas is a horrific tragedy, but it’s sadly the inevitable cost of safeguarding the rights of Americans to perpetrate such horrific tragedies,” said NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre, adding that defending the constitutional right to commit mass murder meant accepting that mass murders were occasionally going to happen. “As saddened as we are today, we must always remember that preserving our sacred liberty to go on violent rampages is far more important than any one violent rampage.” LaPierre went on to say that legislation like recent state laws permitting guns on college campuses and an upcoming House bill that would relax restrictions on the purchase of gun silencers were vital to ensuring people had more freedom to commit much deadlier massacres, even if they sometimes lead to much deadlier massacres.

 

http://www.theonion.com/article/nra-says-mass-shootings-just-unfortunate-price-pro-57094

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‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

 

LAS VEGAS—In the hours following a violent rampage in Las Vegas in which a lone attacker killed more than 50 individuals and seriously injured 400 others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Monday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Iowa resident Kyle Rimmels, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep these individuals from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

 

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-57086

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NRA Says Mass Shootings Just The Unfortunate Price Of Protecting People’s Freedom To Commit Mass Shootings

 

FAIRFAX, VA—In the aftermath of a shooting in Las Vegas that left at least 58 people dead and more than 500 wounded, National Rifle Association officials said Monday that mass shootings are just the unfortunate price of protecting people’s freedom to commit mass shootings. “What happened in Las Vegas is a horrific tragedy, but it’s sadly the inevitable cost of safeguarding the rights of Americans to perpetrate such horrific tragedies,” said NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre, adding that defending the constitutional right to commit mass murder meant accepting that mass murders were occasionally going to happen. “As saddened as we are today, we must always remember that preserving our sacred liberty to go on violent rampages is far more important than any one violent rampage.” LaPierre went on to say that legislation like recent state laws permitting guns on college campuses and an upcoming House bill that would relax restrictions on the purchase of gun silencers were vital to ensuring people had more freedom to commit much deadlier massacres, even if they sometimes lead to much deadlier massacres.

 

http://www.theonion.com/article/nra-says-mass-shootings-just-unfortunate-price-pro-57094

Hey, aren't bullets free speech?

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White House: ‘This Is Not The Geologic Era To Debate Gun Control’

 

You can have my blaster when you pry it from my dead cold hands.

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FOX BusinessVerified account @FoxBusiness

 
.@KennedyNation: "If that psychopath had...driven a truck into that crowd and killed 100 people would we be talking about truck control?"

 

 

 

 

Matt TaibbiVerified account @mtaibbi 7h7 hours ago

 
 

Matt Taibbi Retweeted FOX Business

If the only purpose of a truck was killing people, we might be having that talk, yes.

 

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Anonymous sources report that alleged Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock did leave a note for the police in his hotel room.

 

Reportedly Paddock wrote:

 

 

" I'll give you my guns when you pry them from my cold, dead hands. "

 

 

When police reached Paddock's hotel room, apparently he had committed suicide.

 

 

Police would not deny or confirm knowledge of this note, but they did confirm

 

that Paddock had 17 military -style rifles, with at least one having the capacity to be converted into a fully automatic weapon.

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“To all those political opportunists who are seizing on the tragedy in Las Vegas to call for more gun regs . . . You can’t regulate evil . . .”

 

But this is a purpose of law—to regulate evil.

One measure of the development of a civil society is the obstacles that we place in the path of those who would commit acts of great harm to innocents...."

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