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http://www.businessinsider.com/parklands-neveragain-movement-didnt-sway-gun-control-opinion-poll-2018-5

Parkland Florida's #Neveragain movement didn't really sway gun control opinion, poll shows

  • The Parkland, Florida, school massacre has had little lasting impact on U.S. views on gun control a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Wednesday.
  • U.S. public support for more gun control measures has grown slowly but steadily over the years, typically spiking immediately after a mass shootings, then falls back to pre-massacre levels within a few months.
 

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Parkland, Florida, school massacre has had little lasting impact on U.S. views on gun control, three months after the shooting deaths of 17 people propelled a national movement by some student survivors, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Wednesday.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-44237526

This is from the UK-

Boys, 15, guilty of Columbine-style school shooting plot

Two teenage boys have been found guilty of plotting a Columbine-style shooting at a school in North Yorkshire.

The two boys, both 15, planned to shoot and kill pupils and teachers at the school in Northallerton.

A jury heard they were motivated by their "hero worship" of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, who killed 13 people and themselves at Columbine High School in Colorado in 1999.

The boys, who were 14 at the time, were found guilty of conspiracy to murder.

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Watched At Gunpoint a Fred MacMurray \ Dorothy Malone 1955 film;  the plot is much like High Noon expect Fred is a store owner that kills a bank robber and the brother of the robber and his gang seek revenge on Fred.

SPOILER ALERT:   The film follows much of the same plot (even a town meeting where the town votes that Fred must leave town and offer to buy out his store),   but the ending is very different.     When the showdown happens and Fred is about to be gunned down (he was't very good with a gun),  the town all helps and puts an end to the bad guys.   The setting was Texas.

  

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A 4-year-old accidentally killed his little brother after mistaking a gun for a toy

Around 4.6 million American children live in homes with unlocked and loaded guns, resulting in unintentional deaths in many cases, The Trace reported earlier this week.

More than two dozen states, including Virginia, have child-access prevention laws (CAP laws), which hold parents liable for their children having unsupervised access to firearms. However, the strength of these laws vary state-by-state.

http://www.businessinsider.com/virginia-child-mistakes-gun-for-toy-accidentally-kills-brother-2018-5

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http://www.businessinsider.com/noblesville-school-shooting-indiana-2018-5

Student and teacher injured, suspect in custody after shooting at middle school in Noblesville, Indiana, police say

  • A student is in custody after a shooting at a middle school in Noblesville, Indiana.
  • One student and one teacher were taken to nearby hospitals, though their conditions remain unclear.
  • A teacher swatted the gun out of the shooter's hand when he entered a classroom, potentially saving students' lives, a seventh-grader told news outlets.
  • Authorities also acknowledged that a "secondary threat" was made at Noblesville High School.

One student and one teacher were injured in a shooting at Noblesville West Middle School in Indiana on Friday, authorities said.

A male student believed to be the shooter is in custody, the Noblesville police chief, Kevin Jowitt, said at a news conference.

The student had asked to be excused from his class, left the room, then returned armed with two handguns and opened fire, Jowitt said. Police received the first emergency call at 9:06 a.m. local time.

Jowitt didn't clarify what happened next but said that the situation was resolved "extremely quickly" and that the student was taken into custody.

The student victim was taken to Riley Hospital for Children, and the teacher was brought to Indiana University Health Methodist Hospital, a spokeswoman for Indiana University Health named Danielle Sirilla told The Associated Press. Their conditions are unclear.

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What is happening is modeling behavior,  which is common with teens,   but in my day it was smoking (different things),  drinking beer,  or other such stuff that we would model after our older brothers or that cool uncle.

I fear that this will be a much more common occurrence since it will be viewed by enough trouble teens as an acceptable way to express themselves. 

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6 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

What is happening is modeling behavior,  which is common with teens,   but in my day it was smoking (different things),  drinking beer,  or other such stuff that we would model after our older brothers or that cool uncle.

I fear that this will be a much more common occurrence since it will be viewed by enough trouble teens as an acceptable way to express themselves. 

I think that's definitely part of it and another is these shooters have seen the fear these shootings have put in the media and population and now they want to recreate this for themselves. They finally want the power and fear.

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Arne Duncan Is Serious: Americans Should Boycott School

The former education secretary thinks parents need to take radical action to change the country's gun laws.

 

.........“Maybe it’s time for America’s 50 million school parents to simply pull their kids out of school until we have better gun laws,” tweeted Peter Cunningham, another Obama-era education official.

Duncan’s reply: “This is brilliant, and tragically necessary. What if no children went to school until gun laws changed to keep them safe? My family is all in if we can do this at scale. Parents, will you please join us?” .....

,,,,teachers have walked out for higher pay, kids have walked out on the gun-violence issue, and my question is: What have we as parents done? We’re not protecting our kids. And, again, that’s the most fundamental thing. You want your kids to be safe. That’s instinctual. And the fact that we’re not doing that—we’re not willing to think radically enough to do it—I can’t stomach that.

So, the thought was, let’s see if it develops, let’s see if it continues to pick up momentum. But if you could do something in September, you’d see whether politicians move or not. If they move, fantastic.

If they don’t move, then you’re looking at the November elections. Then you act....

.... I more than recognize how difficult and impractical this is. But the Montgomery bus boycott went on for a year. These were poor people who denied themselves access to public transportation, and they managed to do that for a year and change the world. ....

we played by all the rules after Sandy Hook. We did a study, we did a report, we worked with Congress, and guess what we accomplished? Nothing.

So, playing by the rules hasn’t worked. We need to change the game. "

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/05/arne-duncan-boycott-school/560921/?utm_source=atltw

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39 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Arne Duncan Is Serious: Americans Should Boycott School

The former education secretary thinks parents need to take radical action to change the country's gun laws.

 

.........“Maybe it’s time for America’s 50 million school parents to simply pull their kids out of school until we have better gun laws,” tweeted Peter Cunningham, another Obama-era education official.

Duncan’s reply: “This is brilliant, and tragically necessary. What if no children went to school until gun laws changed to keep them safe? My family is all in if we can do this at scale. Parents, will you please join us?” .....

,,,,teachers have walked out for higher pay, kids have walked out on the gun-violence issue, and my question is: What have we as parents done? We’re not protecting our kids. And, again, that’s the most fundamental thing. You want your kids to be safe. That’s instinctual. And the fact that we’re not doing that—we’re not willing to think radically enough to do it—I can’t stomach that.

So, the thought was, let’s see if it develops, let’s see if it continues to pick up momentum. But if you could do something in September, you’d see whether politicians move or not. If they move, fantastic.

If they don’t move, then you’re looking at the November elections. Then you act....

.... I more than recognize how difficult and impractical this is. But the Montgomery bus boycott went on for a year. These were poor people who denied themselves access to public transportation, and they managed to do that for a year and change the world. ....

we played by all the rules after Sandy Hook. We did a study, we did a report, we worked with Congress, and guess what we accomplished? Nothing.

So, playing by the rules hasn’t worked. We need to change the game. "

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/05/arne-duncan-boycott-school/560921/?utm_source=atltw

These people are complete and total fools especially Duncan with the comment of "What if no children went to school until gun laws changed to keep them safe?".      Really, what gun laws does he recommend that would 'keep them safe'?       

These vague talking points are just as silly and ignorant as those by the NRA \ North.   

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4 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

These people are complete and total fools especially Duncan with the comment of "What if no children went to school until gun laws changed to keep them safe?". 

Could be a lot of parents would lose their jobs to be home with the kids - or be arrested for not being at home with the kids.

It'd be c-r-a-z-y, I bet.

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Armed citizen who shot Oklahoma gunman told worried crowd, 'I'm here to help'

......."I just can't understand being called a hero when someone's life was taken," he said. "I just did what I had to do. I'm very glad no innocent lives were taken but ultimately, there was a life taken." 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/05/25/armed-oklahoma-juan-carlos-nazario-restaurant-gunman/645607002/

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Shannon WattsVerified account @shannonrwatts May 26

 
 

Hey @NRA - The two men who got guns from their cars to take out the Oklahoma shooter were: 1) A former police officer and current security guard,

2) A member of the National Guard for two decades and who served in Afghanistan.

Not. Average. Civilians.

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1 hour ago, mr6666 said:

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NewsweekVerified account @Newsweek 3h3 hours ago

 
 

Parkland parents slam “disgusting” video game that allows users to play as gunman in school shooting http://bit.ly/2L2aevB

 

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No different from other type of games, School Shooter, Super Columbine Massacre, etc.  After all some on the board said video games don't contribute to the tragedies, so why fuss? :wacko:

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At least this one looks like the school the (original) Mario Brothers went to. Still disgusting.

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On 5/28/2018 at 11:15 PM, mr6666 said:

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NewsweekVerified account @Newsweek 3h3 hours ago

 
 

Parkland parents slam “disgusting” video game that allows users to play as gunman in school shooting http://bit.ly/2L2aevB

 

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Creator of School Shooting Game Removed From Service

The removal means the 'Active Shooter' video game will not be released on Steam

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/Valve-Removes-Troll-Developer-Publisher-of-School-Shooting-Video-Game-From-Steam-484003831.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_CHBrand

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https://theintercept.com/2018/05/30/face-recognition-schools-school-shootings/

FACE RECOGNITION IS NOW BEING USED IN SCHOOLS, BUT IT WON’T STOP MASS SHOOTINGS

OFFICIALS AT THE Lockport, New York, school district have purchased face recognition technology as part of a purported effort to prevent school shootings. Starting in September, all 10 of Lockport District’s school buildings, just north of Buffalo, will be outfitted with a surveillance system that can identify faces and objects. The software, known as Aegis, was developed by SN Technologies Corp., a Canadian biometrics firm that specifically advertises to schools. It can be used to alert officials to whenever sex offenders, suspended students, fired employees, suspected gang members, or anyone else placed on a school’s “blacklist” enters the premises. Aegis also sends alerts any time one of the “top 10” most popular guns used in school shootings appears in view of a camera.

The district is spending most of its recent $4 million state “Smart School” grant on these and other enhancements to its security systems, including bullet-proof greeter windows and a mass notification system, according tothe Niagra Gazette. “We always have to be on our guard. We can’t let our guard down,” Lockport Superintendent Michelle T. Bradley told the Buffalo News. “For the Board of Education and the Lockport City School District, this is the No. 1 priority: school security.”

Yet given the nature of gun violence at schools, Lockport’s purchase of surveillance technology appears inefficient and expensive. All of the major school shootings in the last five years in the U.S. have been carried out by current students or alumnae of the school in question. “These are students for whom the school wouldn’t have a reason to have their face entered into the face recognition system’s blacklist,” explained Rachel Levinson-Waldman, a security and policing expert at the Brennan Center for Justice.

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Yet given the nature of gun violence at schools, Lockport’s purchase of surveillance technology appears inefficient and expensive. All of the major school shootings in the last five years in the U.S. have been carried out by current students or alumnae of the school in question. “These are students for whom the school wouldn’t have a reason to have their face entered into the face recognition system’s blacklist,” explained Rachel Levinson-Waldman, a security and policing expert at the Brennan Center for Justice.

Won't work.

If stopping gun violence in schools is the issue, what would probably work is to have multiple guards stationed at every entrance or exit of every school (this would have to include first-floor windows and maybe even higher) and charging them with making sure they thoroughly search every single person before allowing every single person to enter the school.

This would end gun violence in schools. It would cost billions, but it would work.

The other option is to remove guns from the nation entirely. That also would be quite expensive - and would cause much bloodshed for a number of years - but it would be a depreciating expense eventually, unlike the guard at the doors strategy (and would be useful at every area of life, not just schools).

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3 hours ago, darkblue said:

Won't work.

If stopping gun violence in schools is the issue, what would probably work is to have multiple guards stationed at every entrance or exit of every school (this would have to include first-floor windows and maybe even higher) and charging them with making sure they thoroughly search every single person before allowing every single person to enter the school.

This would end gun violence in schools. It would cost billions, but it would work.

The other option is to remove guns from the nation entirely. That also would be quite expensive - and would cause much bloodshed for a number of years - but it would be a depreciating expense eventually, unlike the guard at the doors strategy (and would be useful at every area of life, not just schools).

I'm surprised a person generally distrustful of the government like you is so pro-gun control. Do you really trust the gov. or police that much? 

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10 hours ago, Gershwin fan said:

I'm surprised a person generally distrustful of the government like you is so pro-gun control. Do you really trust the gov. or police that much? 

I don't trust anybody. But trust of the government and police is one problem and gun violence in schools is another problem.

Anyway, people owning guns won't be able to stop the government or police from whatever you're suggesting we're in danger of from them. When was the last time you saw anyone win a gun battle against police? Now try to imagine trying to win against government military forces with "our" guns against theirs.

All I'm telling is that if the problem of gun violence in schools is the issue to be solved, those tactics would solve it.

Mind you, it shouldn't take such extreme measures (Canada and most of the civilized world manages to have gun control without all that conflict - hell, if it wasn't for guns being smuggled into Canada from the U.S. we'd have no gun violence at all in our schools or anywhere else), but this is America we're talking about. When it comes to guns, Americans are lunatics. Manufacturing them, selling them, and having them is all that matters. A million more school kids could die and I'm still not sure you people could face life without your "right to bear arms".

 

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Trump Meets With Families Affected by Texas Shooting

President Donald Trump meets privately with families affected by this month's deadly Texas school shooting.

"......Rhonda Hart, whose 14-year-old daughter, Kimberly Vaughan, was killed at the school, also met with Trump.

Hart told The Associated Press that Trump repeatedly used the word 'wacky' to describe the shooter and the trench coat he wore. She said she told Trump, "Maybe if everyone had access to mental health care, we wouldn't be in the situation."

Hart, an Army veteran, said she also suggested employing veterans as sentinels in schools. She said Trump responded, "And arm them?"

She replied, "No," but said Trump "kept mentioning" arming classroom teachers.

"It was like talking to a toddler," Hart said.........

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2018-05-31/trump-to-meet-with-families-of-victims-of-texas-shooting

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2 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Trump Meets With Families Affected by Texas Shooting

President Donald Trump meets privately with families affected by this month's deadly Texas school shooting.

"......Rhonda Hart, whose 14-year-old daughter, Kimberly Vaughan, was killed at the school, also met with Trump.

Hart told The Associated Press that Trump repeatedly used the word 'wacky' to describe the shooter and the trench coat he wore. She said she told Trump, "Maybe if everyone had access to mental health care, we wouldn't be in the situation."

Hart, an Army veteran, said she also suggested employing veterans as sentinels in schools. She said Trump responded, "And arm them?"

She replied, "No," but said Trump "kept mentioning" arming classroom teachers.

"It was like talking to a toddler," Hart said.........

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2018-05-31/trump-to-meet-with-families-of-victims-of-texas-shooting

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Should had used "crazy as a ****house rat" I suppose.^_^

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OFAVerified account @OFA

 

Today is National Gun Violence Awareness Day, and we're proud to be part of the #WearOrange coalition that's calling for meaningful action from Congress to #EndGunViolence.

Find out how you can take action at http://wearorange.org .

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Barack ObamaVerified account @BarackObama 8h8 hours ago

 
 

Barack Obama Retweeted OFA

This National Gun Violence Awareness Day, show your commitment to keeping our kids safe from gun violence.

Then, for everyone we’ve lost, take action to change our leadership and our laws until they reflect that commitment

- no matter how long it takes.

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