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“To all those political opportunists who are seizing on the tragedy in Las Vegas to call for more gun regs . . . You can’t regulate evil . . .”

 

But this is a purpose of law—to regulate evil.

One measure of the development of a civil society is the obstacles that we place in the path of those who would commit acts of great harm to innocents...."

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CA has tough gun-control laws because CA voters vote for politicians that support such laws.

 

In most other states with weak gun-control laws (like Nevada),  the voters vote for politicians that they know will NOT pass gun-control legislation.

 

The issue is NOT the NRA since the NRA actually makes it easier for voters to determine which politicians are anti-gun-control or pro-gun-control by providing their score\ratings.

 

The issue is voters who,  while answering polls saying they want more gun-control laws,  vote for politicians that have clearly stated they are against more gun-control laws.

 

Face facts;   the pro-gun-control activist have done a really poor job getting their message out (verses say groups like MADD,  who were able to toughen drunk driving laws in a short timeframe).

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NRA Backs Regulation Of Bump Stocks, As Some Republicans Support A Ban-

 

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555894008/nra-backs-regulation-of-bump-stocks-as-some-republicans-support-a-ban?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=202705

 

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Nick WingVerified account @nickpwing 2h2 hours ago

 
 

The weight we give to the NRA statement on bump stocks shows how much of a stranglehold they have on the gun debate.

The arbiter has spoken.

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NRA Backs Regulation Of Bump Stocks, As Some Republicans Support A Ban-

 

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555894008/nra-backs-regulation-of-bump-stocks-as-some-republicans-support-a-ban?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=202705

 

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Nick WingVerified account @nickpwing 2h2 hours ago

 
 

The weight we give to the NRA statement on bump stocks shows how much of a stranglehold they have on the gun debate.

The arbiter has spoken.

 

 

NRA members have ONE vote just like the rest of us.     Again,   if your state doesn't have the type of gun-control laws you want,  don't blame the NRA,   but instead blame the other voters in your state that continue to vote for NRA supported politicians.

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NRA members have ONE vote just like the rest of us.     Again,   if your state doesn't have the type of gun-control laws you want,  don't blame the NRA,   but instead blame the other voters in your state that continue to vote for NRA supported politicians.

yeah, those poor GOP and democrat polioticians need oxygen as soon as possible to get out from under that stranglehold.

 

no one makes anyone do anything if they first doan of their own free will capitulate to what they must know in their hearts and minds is morally wrong and unethical.

 

the only thing imo the NRA is really guilty of is knowing how ultimately reliable all them washington phonies will prove themselves to be. :lol:

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Eric Benét

If every black adult male in the U.S. bought & registered a semi-automatic rifle tomorrow, Congress would Pass gun control laws by Friday.

9:49 PM - 2 Oct 2017

 

 

What complete BS.       Members in Congress are just doing what those that voted them into office want them to do.   

 

Face it;  in most states the pro-gun-control activist are doing a poor job changing the mind of voters.

 

Pro-gun people tend to be single-issue voters and in most states they outnumber single-issue pro-gun-control voters.

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Eric Benét

If every black adult male in the U.S. bought & registered a semi-automatic rifle tomorrow, Congress would Pass gun control laws by Friday.

9:49 PM - 2 Oct 2017

 

dam right they would....while the left-wing mainstream media assures us all how much love is brimming in black america for white america. :lol: 

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tonite I downloaded and watched one of my favorite eps of the old Hawaii Five-O. "and give my some candy and a gun that shoots" with michael burns as a disturbed sniper popping away at a highway from a military bunker atop a hill. the opening of the ep has the sniper going into a gun shop all polite as you please. the proprietor has him fill out a federal gun registration form which I found hilarious. he signs his name george c. patton. :lol:

 

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dam right they would....while the left-wing mainstream media assures us all how much love is brimming in black america for white america. :lol:

FYI-- There's only one America-- the United States of America.

 

 

But in my neck of the woods, just about everyone has at least one gun, most have two or three, including a rifle or two. You know how those pesky coyotes are always hanging around.

 

It's also very common to see men with their rifles hanging shotgun in the back of their pickup truck cabin.

 

Even while you're driving you got to watch out for those pesky coyotes. LOL

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FYI-- There's only one America-- the United States of America.

 

 

But in my neck of the woods, just about everyone has at least one gun, most have two or three, including a rifle or two. You know how those pesky coyotes are always hanging around.

 

It's also very common to see men with their rifles hanging shotgun in the back of their pickup truck cabin.

 

Even while you're driving you got to watch out for those pesky coyotes. LOL

I was responding to that eric benet HS posted by Swithin. :P  :D

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My dog easily took care of them-- but they were so cute.

 

But you forgot to tell me whether or not you had a gun anyway.

I got no rod. doan need one. everybody likes me.

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I got no rod. doan need one. everybody likes me.

 

Yeah ND, I suppose even though I've always thought of you as your typical backward American hick, yep, I have to admit for the most part you're STILL a reasonably likable guy alright!

 

I dunno. Call it the "Barney Fife Effect" here perhaps.

 

(...and which of course would mean that if you WOULD ever own a firearm, you'd keep your one round of ammo in your shirt pocket...and which, come to think of it, would probably be a damn good idea in YOUR case TOO...that is IF you'd ever decide to purchase one, of course...YOU know, so that you can fend off that tyrannical government when they come knockin' at your door!) 

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Is Today’s NRA the “Price of Freedom”?

 

 

"......The story of how the National Rifle Association took on such a poisonous role in our lives is a striking illumination of our descent into madness.........

 

The NRA backed the 1934 National Firearms Act, and parts of the 1968 Gun Control Act, designed to stop what seemed to be America’s hurtle toward violence in that turbulent decade.

These men called themselves conservatives, but they were radicals, determined to dismantle the social protections and business regulation of the New Deal that had kept America stable since the Depression.

 

But something happened to the NRA’s reasonable approach to civic rhe NRA had gone into politics, and it was a politics that looked suspiciously like the politics of other big businesses in that era.

 

Its officials now opposed all limits on gun ownership, even though basic safety measures have always been popular, even within the NRA’s own membership.

 

In the mid-1970s, a faction in the NRA forced the organization away from sports and toward opposing “gun control.” It formed a political action committee (PAC) in 1975, and two years later elected a president who abandoned sporting culture and focused instead on “gun rights.”...

 

...With the “Trump Slump” in gun sales, as buyers stopped worrying they would lose access to guns, NRA spokesmen upped their rhetoric. Their online videos warn that America is under siege by leftists, and that good Americans must arm themselves for civil war.

And the movement conservative Republicans have accepted their money and carved away at business regulations, including those on guns.....

 

...The American casualties at Mandalay Bay are the horrific embodiment of what happened to America with the rise of movement conservatism: business profits became more important than human lives. Wealth has moved upward dramatically while regular Americans have seen their jobs evaporate, their health fail, infrastructure crumble and the environment degrade...

 

Bill O’Reilly called the carnage at Mandalay Bay “the price of freedom.”

The world has gone pear shaped."

 

http://billmoyers.com/story/todays-nra-price-freedom/

 

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Gun control's racist past and present- Calls for strict gun control after mass shootings overlook how regulations have been used to disarm people of colour.

 

 

"....Saying gun laws are always racist is just false," he told Al Jazeera. "Saying that gun laws have never been racist is also just wrong.".....

 

 

There is "irony" in the fact that right-wing politicians and the NRA were "definitely in favour of gun control when there was great concern among white Americans", Clayborne Carson, a Stanford University professor and historian who has devoted his professional life to the study of civil rights campaigner Martin Luther King, Jr, told Al Jazeera.

The NRA changed policies in the 1970s, adopting its anti-gun control stance. The organisation has continued advocating for gun owners, though many have criticised the NRA for failing to speak for armed African Americans...

 

For many, the near-daily news of another black person killed by police has been motivation to exercise their Second Amendment rights.

 

The Guardian newspaper's The Counted database found that African Americans, who make up around 12 percent of the country's population, constituted almost a quarter of the 1,092 killed by police in 2016.

The US has experienced a noticeable increase in hate crimes in the months following the election of Donald Trump.........

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/10/gun-control-racist-present-171006135904199.html

 

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Mass shootings: The gun industry’s most effective marketing-

 

 

"....Both The Trace and the New York Times found that the item was sold out everywhere. The company that makes this delightful innovation, Slide Fire, initially reported the device was out of stock, and now seems to be so overwhelmed by demand it has stopped taking back orders.

 

It's a grim reminder of one major reason the National Rifle Association and the gun industry work so hard to derail any efforts to prevent mass shootings: They're good for business.......

 

"....the gun industry is A-OK with profiting off the inadvertent advertising of their products provided, free of charge, by mass murderers. As NYU's Dr. Cheryl Healton explained on Wednesday's Salon Talks, the tobacco industry knew for decades that it was profiting off addiction and cancer, and viciously attacked anyone who would called out its callous hypocrisy.

 

It would be nice if we could expect corporations to put human lives before profits, but unfortunately, history tells us that doesn't often happen."

 

https://www.salon.com/2017/10/06/mass-shootings-the-gun-industrys-most-effective-marketing/

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Robt. Reich-

 

"....Instead of sticking solely to its pro-gun agenda—pushing for firearms in schools, allowing gun owners to carry concealed weapons across state lines, and fighting off any effort to contain weapons of mass destruction—the National Rifle Association is now joining the ranks of Breitbart and Fox News to fuel divisive fights over immigration, race, and “fake news.”

The New Republic’s Laura Reston reports that the NRA is becoming an extreme right-wing media outlet – another Trumpet for Trump. Gun manufacturers used to be the NRA’s chief source of funding. Now, it seems, alt-right groups and individuals are putting their dollars behind it as well....

 

see...

 

The NRA’s New Scare Tactics-

 

" with Obama gone, and Republicans firmly in control, the NRA is suffering. In the first six months after Trump was elected, gun sales tumbled by 9 percent. Vista, the firearms manufacturer that owns brands like American Eagle and Bushnell, saw profits drop 27 percent in the first three months of the year—a reversal the company called an “unprecedented decline in demand for ammunition and firearms.”...

 

With no one in the White House to strike fear in the hearts of its members, the NRA is embarking on a bold new strategy....

 

https://newrepublic.com/article/145001/nra-new-scare-tactic-gun-lobby-remaking-itself-arm-alt-right

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The InterceptVerified account @theintercept 1h1 hour ago

 
 

The leaders of the @NRA would be viewed as terrorist enablers and promoters in a sane society.

 

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/07/a-sick-country-filled-with-guns/

 

"...Each time we’re faced with a new mass murder with guns, in this case 58 killed and more than 500 wounded, we end up in the same place:

“Let’s pray. Let’s tweak this or that law. Let’s talk about using acoustic sensors to detect gunshots. Let’s put armed private security in schools. Let’s use the terrorist watchlist to deny gun purchases. Let’s have more surveillance, more religious and racial profiling.”

Which is absurd, given that most mass shooters are white.

 

None of what most politicians and TV pundits offer up in the aftermath of these killings is going to do anything to solve the real issue: We are a nation filled to the brim with guns, including assault weapons that are actually meant for assaulting people. Not for hunting. Not for sport, unless your sport is murder.

Watch what happens in Congress in the coming days...

 

A big part of our problem on guns is how it’s discussed in the media. Presidents who get prayerful are praised instead of held accountable for the role they play in sustaining this nation’s gun addiction, in promoting the gun industry that profits off of murder..........

 

We don’t need prayers. We don’t need fake unity over the tragedy. We need to look at the common factor in all of these heinous acts of mass murder: guns. Anything else is just putting a Band-Aid on a gaping, infected, and lethal wound on our society."

 

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MSNBCVerified account @MSNBC 51m51 minutes ago

 
 

Rep. Gutierrez: Why do we need NRA's blessing for gun control?

 

 

 

Just more silliness.     The NRA doesn't have a vote in Congress.    NRA members only have ONE vote just like the rest of us. 

 

The problem is NOT the NRA, it is voters that continue to vote for politicians that have a favorable NRA score\rating.

 

The NRA does voters a service by providing a score.   So in 2018,  look up the score of the politicians running and don't vote for NRA favored politicians.     Of course in red-states, in the GOP primary there may not be any politicians with unfavorable NRA scores.

 

If that is the case,  you need to move!  

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Basically you likely will need the NRA's blessing/permission for

any gun control. The talk is that maybe, just maybe, the NRA

will allow some kind of bump stock restriction to go through.

Time will tell.

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