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9 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Georgia teen dies by suicide after he accidentally fatally shoots friend

Devin Hodges, 15, was showing off a gun to friends when it accidentally discharged, police said.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/georgia-teen-dies-suicide-after-he-accidentally-fatally-shoots-friend-n953581?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

Shannon WattsVerified account @shannonrwatts 49m49 minutes ago

 
 

Four teen boys were playing with a loaded handgun in Georgia yesterday when one of them unintentionally shot one and killed his friend.

The teen then called 911 and shot and killed himself before they arrived.

 

Lock up your goddamned guns.

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7 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Shannon WattsVerified account @shannonrwatts 49m49 minutes ago

 
 

Four teen boys were playing with a loaded handgun in Georgia yesterday when one of them unintentionally shot one and killed his friend.

The teen then called 911 and shot and killed himself before they arrived.

 

Lock up your goddamned guns.

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I saw the lead story on "NBC Nightly News" last night. It was a 7 year old black girl was murdered in her car by an unidentified white male shooter.

They interviewed the mother at the hospital who was also hit with non-life-threatening wounds. She said they were simply going to Walmart to get some coffee. When she saw the white man in a red truck with a gun pointed at them, she told her children to get down. She had four daughters in the car. Only one was fatally shot.

All of this hateful ugliness went down in Houston Texas.

This wouldn't be the first time we saw guns mixed with racism.

Unfortunately you're bound to see more hate crimes with racism being promoted by the chief executive in the Oval Office.

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https://abc13.com/child-walks-home-after-being-shot-at-north-houston-park/5017743/

Child walks home after being shot at north Houston park

HOUSTON, Texas (KTRK) --

Three suspects are on the run after police said a child was shot in the foot at a north Houston park.

Houston police said the shooting happened just before 8:30 Friday night.

The child who was shot walked nearly three miles from Lincoln Park to a home on Gulf Bank Road.

Police said the child was taken to the hospital, but could not tell us his or her condition.

We do not know whether police have any leads on the suspects.

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On 1/1/2019 at 5:41 PM, Princess of Tap said:

I saw the lead story on "NBC Nightly News" last night. It was a 7 year old black girl was murdered in her car by an unidentified white male shooter.

They interviewed the mother at the hospital who was also hit with non-life-threatening wounds. She said they were simply going to Walmart to get some coffee. When she saw the white man in a red truck with a gun pointed at them, she told her children to get down. She had four daughters in the car. Only one was fatally shot.

All of this hateful ugliness went down in Houston Texas.

This wouldn't be the first time we saw guns mixed with racism.

Unfortunately you're bound to see more hate crimes with racism being promoted by the chief executive in the Oval Office.

White racist caught. :lol:

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On 1/1/2019 at 5:41 PM, Princess of Tap said:

I saw the lead story on "NBC Nightly News" last night. It was a 7 year old black girl was murdered in her car by an unidentified white male shooter.

They interviewed the mother at the hospital who was also hit with non-life-threatening wounds. She said they were simply going to Walmart to get some coffee. When she saw the white man in a red truck with a gun pointed at them, she told her children to get down. She had four daughters in the car. Only one was fatally shot.

All of this hateful ugliness went down in Houston Texas.

This wouldn't be the first time we saw guns mixed with racism.

Unfortunately you're bound to see more hate crimes with racism being promoted by the chief executive in the Oval Office.

Hopefully you do understand what really happened;   the man in the truck, who police found and questioned, drove by the family and their car seconds BEFORE the car with the two black guys drove by and shot at the family and their car.    Shell casings found at the scene matched those found at the home of the black driver.

Of course some blacks in the community believe the police are involved in a cover-up;  i.e. that white guys did this but to cap racial tension the police are framing the two black suspects.      Yea,  Hank Quinlan is in charge of the police investigation.

PS:  is the above post just like what Trump and his admin does? E.g. the cop killing of by an illegal immigrant that happened a few weeks ago in CA;  making a single event look like it represents a trend.    But at least in the CA case these were facts.    

 

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21 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Hopefully you do understand what really happened;   the man in the truck, who police found and questioned, drove by the family and their car seconds BEFORE the car with the two black guys drove by and shot at the family and their car.    Shell casings found at the scene matched those found at the home of the black driver.

Of course some blacks in the community believe the police are involved in a cover-up;  i.e. that white guys did this but to cap racial tension the police are framing the two black suspects.      Yea,  Hank Quinlan is in charge of the police investigation.

PS:  is the above post just like what Trump and his admin does? E.g. the cop killing of by an illegal immigrant that happened a few weeks ago in CA;  making a single event look like it represents a trend.    But at least in the CA case these were facts.    

 

New technique that identifies fingerprints on a fired bullet with 68% accuracy

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5421537/Scientists-lift-fingerprints-fired-bullets.html

 

Developing Latent Fingerprints using Colored Superglue

https://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/developing-latent-fingerprints-using-colored-superglue.html

 

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2 hours ago, hamradio said:

Shell casings after being fired are accurate as fingerprints.

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Niffy info.   But of course those set on a cover-up will just say that the police took some of the casings found at the scene of the crime and planted them in the home or car of the suspect. 

i.e. once someone is on a cover-up kick,  it is hard to get them off of it.

 

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https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-container/US/families-sandy-hook-shooting-victims-win-legal-victory/story?id=60314174

Families of Sandy Hook shooting victims win legal victory in lawsuit against InfoWars, Alex Jones

Six families sued Alex Jones and InfoWars for defamation, among other claims.

Six families of victims killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School won a legal victory Friday in their fight against controversial radio and internet personality Alex Jones.

A judge in Connecticut has granted the families’ discovery requests, allowing them access to, among other things, Infowars’ internal marketing and financial documents.

The judge has scheduled a hearing next week to decide whether to allow the plaintiffs’ attorneys to depose Jones.

The plaintiffs include the parents of five children who went to the school as well as family members of first-grade teacher Victoria Leigh Soto and Principal Dawn Hochsprung, according to a statement from the plaintiff's attorneys.

 

According to the statement, the plaintiffs allege a "years-long campaign of abusive and outrageous false statements in which Jones and the other defendants have developed, amplified and perpetuated claims that the Sandy Hook massacre was staged and that the 26 families who lost loved ones that day are paid actors who faked their relative's deaths."

It goes on to say that "Jones' actions subjected the families and survivors of the Sandy Hook shootingto physical confrontations and harassment, death threats and personal attacks on social media."

"From the beginning, we have alleged that Alex Jones and his financial network trafficked in lies and hate in order to profit from the grief of Sandy Hook families. That is what we intend to prove, and today's ruling advances that effort," Chris Mattei, one of the attorneys representing the families, said in the statement. "We look forward to gaining access to Infowars' internal marketing and financial documents to show that Jones has built an empire as nothing more than a conspiracy profiteer, as alleged in our complaint."

Jones has sought to dismiss the lawsuit.

"Plaintiffs suffered a horrible tragedy," his defense attorney, Jay M. Wolman, wrote in a motion to dismiss the lawsuit. "Alex Jones and Infowars are not responsible for this tragedy. To punish them for First Amendment protected speech on this matter of public concern will not bring back the lives lost."

Wolman did not immediately respond to ABC News' requests for comment.

(MORE: Sandy Hook mom reflects on 'incredibly raw' grief ahead of 6th anniversary)
The judge’s ruling on discovery gives the plaintiffs access to any communication Jones had about the Newtown massacre and to documents that could point to the inner workings of Infowars.

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Feds Charge Instagram Troll In Targeting Of Parkland Victims’ Families

The Californian allegedly told FBI agents he used Instagram to
“taunt and troll the victims and gain popularity.”
 
...... Brandon Fleury, of Santa Ana, made a “series of threatening and harassing posts” between Dec. 22 and Jan. 11 through Instagram by “mentioning” Instagram accounts used by friends and relatives of Parkland victims, federal authorities allege in the criminal complaint.
“One post threatened to kidnap the message recipients, while others sought to harass the recipients by repeatedly taunting the relatives and friends of the victims, cheering the deaths of their loved ones and, among other things, asking them to cry.” .......
 

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4 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Five mass shootings in five days: Is America officially desensitized to gun violence?

 

Well....

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On 1/14/2019 at 8:29 PM, Gershwin fan said:

https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-container/US/families-sandy-hook-shooting-victims-win-legal-victory/story?id=60314174

Families of Sandy Hook shooting victims win legal victory in lawsuit against InfoWars, Alex Jones

Six families sued Alex Jones and InfoWars for defamation, among other claims.

Six families of victims killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School won a legal victory Friday in their fight against controversial radio and internet personality Alex Jones.

A judge in Connecticut has granted the families’ discovery requests, allowing them access to, among other things, Infowars’ internal marketing and financial documents.

The judge has scheduled a hearing next week to decide whether to allow the plaintiffs’ attorneys to depose Jones.

The plaintiffs include the parents of five children who went to the school as well as family members of first-grade teacher Victoria Leigh Soto and Principal Dawn Hochsprung, according to a statement from the plaintiff's attorneys.

 

According to the statement, the plaintiffs allege a "years-long campaign of abusive and outrageous false statements in which Jones and the other defendants have developed, amplified and perpetuated claims that the Sandy Hook massacre was staged and that the 26 families who lost loved ones that day are paid actors who faked their relative's deaths."

It goes on to say that "Jones' actions subjected the families and survivors of the Sandy Hook shootingto physical confrontations and harassment, death threats and personal attacks on social media."

"From the beginning, we have alleged that Alex Jones and his financial network trafficked in lies and hate in order to profit from the grief of Sandy Hook families. That is what we intend to prove, and today's ruling advances that effort," Chris Mattei, one of the attorneys representing the families, said in the statement. "We look forward to gaining access to Infowars' internal marketing and financial documents to show that Jones has built an empire as nothing more than a conspiracy profiteer, as alleged in our complaint."

Jones has sought to dismiss the lawsuit.

"Plaintiffs suffered a horrible tragedy," his defense attorney, Jay M. Wolman, wrote in a motion to dismiss the lawsuit. "Alex Jones and Infowars are not responsible for this tragedy. To punish them for First Amendment protected speech on this matter of public concern will not bring back the lives lost."

Wolman did not immediately respond to ABC News' requests for comment.

(MORE: Sandy Hook mom reflects on 'incredibly raw' grief ahead of 6th anniversary)
The judge’s ruling on discovery gives the plaintiffs access to any communication Jones had about the Newtown massacre and to documents that could point to the inner workings of Infowars.

I don't see the plaintiffs being successful,  but the case needs to go forward to 'test' the limits of First Amendment rights and the spreading of bogus, misleading and dreamed to be harmful info in the social media age.   E.g. when is an opinion just an opinion or when it is a knowledgeable lie with the intent to do harm.     E.g. how much is the original speaker of bogus information (found to NOT be protected by the First Amendment),    responsible for the actions of others that consume and use this bogus info?

Etc....

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12 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

I don't see the plaintiffs being successful,  but the case needs to go forward to 'test' the limits of First Amendment rights and the spreading of bogus, misleading and dreamed to be harmful info in the social media age.   E.g. when is an opinion just an opinion or when it is a knowledgeable lie with the intent to do harm.     E.g. how much is the original speaker of bogus information (found to NOT be protected by the First Amendment),    responsible for the actions of others that consume and use this bogus info?

Etc....

It will be interesting to see where this goes. Jones and his Sandy Hook campaign is one of the more disturbing, and frankly, disgusting abuses of Free Speech in my lifetime. It's unimaginable the pain those families had to endure, only for this knuckle-dragger and his legion of cretinous fans to terrorize them based on a bunch of BS nonsense.  How much this falls into the range of "shouting Fire! in a crowded theater", will be the crux. Personally, I don't think there's a hole deep enough to throw Jones into, but that's speaking on an emotional level and not a legal one.

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18 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

I don't see the plaintiffs being successful,  but the case needs to go forward to 'test' the limits of First Amendment rights and the spreading of bogus, misleading and dreamed to be harmful info in the social media age.   E.g. when is an opinion just an opinion or when it is a knowledgeable lie with the intent to do harm.     E.g. how much is the original speaker of bogus information (found to NOT be protected by the First Amendment),    responsible for the actions of others that consume and use this bogus info?

Etc....

That case is really stretching the meaning of defamation.  It's a conspircy theory....stupid, yes.

So saying something didn't happened, can Neil Armstrong sue people claiming he didn't land on the moon? :blink:

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6 minutes ago, hamradio said:

That case is really stretching the meaning of defamation.  It's a conspircy theory....stupid, yes.

So saying something didn't happened, can Neil Armstrong sue people claiming he didn't land on the moon? :blink:

Question: how many people have threatened Armstrong based on those conspiracy theories? 

Also, I wouldn't equate a moon landing being false with someone claiming that your dead child never existed.

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4 minutes ago, hamradio said:

That case is really stretching the meaning of defamation.  It's a conspircy theory....stupid, yes.

So saying something didn't happened, can Neil Armstrong sue people claiming he didn't land on the moon? :blink:

Jones did a lot more than just say something didn't happen;  e.g. saying that the relatives of the dead kids were just paid actors.    That is saying something DID happen, that clearly wasn't factual,  and that could rise to defamation. 

Anyhow,  like I said I don't see the plaintiffs prevailing but the case needs to go forward to help establish the 'line in the sand' in this social media age.

     

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30 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Jones did a lot more than just say something didn't happen;  e.g. saying that the relatives of the dead kids were just paid actors.    That is saying something DID happen, that clearly wasn't factual,  and that could rise to defamation. 

Anyhow,  like I said I don't see the plaintiffs prevailing but the case needs to go forward to help establish the 'line in the sand' in this social media age.

I don't believe Jones ever explicitly asked his viewers/listeners to contact the families of the victims, or suggested that they be confronted. I could be wrong on that, though. But if he made no actual call to action, just propagated the theories repeatedly and then the chuckle-heads in the viewership went out on their own, then I don't see how any criminal litigation could go forward.

However, this being civil court, I would think the families have a good shot at winning, as these conspiracy theories are defamatory in nature, and have had demonstrable negative consequences. Besides, I would think that if Jones and his clown-show actually believed in this theory, they would love having the issue brought to a public court of law where they could make their case in an open and legally-binding setting. Or did he always know it was all just a bunch of button-pushing BS for the rubes? 

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Parkland victim's father clashes with GOP lawmaker at gun violence hearing

 

 

 
 
 
 

The father of a Parkland school shooting victim repeatedly interrupted Rep. Matt Gaetz (Fla.) at a House Judiciary Committee hearing Wednesday, prompting the GOP lawmaker to request the man be removed from the room.

The incident occurred as Gaetz began talking about efforts to curb gun violence, including a bill that would require background checks on all firearm sales. He argued that violence by immigrants without legal status was a far bigger concern."I hope we do not forget the pain of people who have been the victims of violence at the hands of illegal aliens," Gaetz said, adding that a wall along the southern border would help reduce violence in the U.S.

Manuel Oliver, the father of Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school student Joaquin Oliver, who was killed in the shooting, quickly jumped to his feet and interrupted Gaetz..........

 

Oliver's appearance at the hearing came a day after he attended President Trump's State of the Union address as a guest of Rep. Ted Deutch (D-Fla.).

"I wonder if Trump will address the real national emergency

—the 40k gun deaths that take innocent lives like my son, Joaquin’s," he said on Twitter before the president's speech.......

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/428772-parkland-victims-father-interrupts-gop-lawmaker-during-first-house-hearing-on

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