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THE VEGAS MASSACRE

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Hmm let's see...

 

 

as many as 30 weapons, including long rifles and two mounts, were found in room

 

weapons unidentified

 

hotel security footage unreleased

 

hotel check-in is through casino (you MUST go through casino to get to check in)

 

two windows were blown out (one window per hotel room) - that means more than one shooter

 

some witnesses were saying there were several shooters

 

Anyone still buying the official story?

 

BTW, pukes, Alex Jones thinks accused shooter might be affiliated with "anitfa" terrorist group.  (no, I didn't watch him)

 

He had a corner suite and knocked out both windows with a hammer.  What kind of "news" are you surfing?

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Actually, the crowd had no idea from which direction the shots were coming from due to the reports echoing off of surrounding  structures. 

 

I've heard nothing  about the man belonging to any  known "terrorist" groups.  And as he shot himself too and left no kind of suicide "note" or some scrawled manifesto of any kind we'll probably never know his motive.  Just have to assume he succumbed to his inner demons, as did that Whitman guy in Austin, Texas back in the '60's.

 

 

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He had a corner suite and knocked out both windows with a hammer.  What kind of "news" are you surfing?

 

Never mind my methodology.  Still doesn't make any sense when everything else is factored in.  More than one window?  Really??

 

Now I am reading possibly 19 guns.  19 guns, 30 guns, what's the difference when you have to get them all past casino security on the way in.  Big heavy guns and enough ammo for all the shots that were fired, that would be awkward to tote in and would set off metal detectors.

 

edit: 16 firearms were found in the hotel room. Another 18 were found in the shooter's home.

 

edit: brother says he wasn't into guns [Reuters]

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Killed in the Las Vegas massacre: The first of 59 dead and 527 injured are identified including a kindergarten teacher, an ex-cheerleader, a wife who died in her husband's arms, two Army vets, and a heroic male nurse, 29, who saved his surgeon wife

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4941508/First-victims-Las-Vegas-shooting-pictured.html#ixzz4uSBMATD3
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Have none of you heard of this piece of evidence suspiciously missing from the official MSM storyline??

 

Maybe it's missing because it's bogus. B)

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List of Obama Gun Laws Passed by Congress

Gun enthusiasts have portrayed Barack Obama as the "most anti-gun president in American history" and claimed that a number of Obama gun laws placed new restrictions on law-abiding citizens who own, buy and sell firearms. But the reality was much different.

 

The number of Obama gun laws passed during his two terms in office comes in at only two, and neither placed additional restrictions on gun owners.

 

That is not to say Obama was not critical of the use of guns to commit the numerous mass shootings and acts of terrorism during his tenure in the White House. Quite the opposite. Obama sharply criticized the gun lobby and the easy access to firearms.

 

Obama also made curtailing gun violence a central theme of his second-term agenda after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., in December 2012.

 

But he was unable to win passage of new laws and insisted authorities do more to enforce measures already on the books.

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In other words, Obama did nothing as usual but talk and play golf. At one point he could have passed any gun control laws he wanted, but didn't.

 

 

WOW! Now how ironic is THAT statement coming from a guy who'd I'd bet my freakin' HOUSE supported every effort by Obama's opposition party to block any and all gun control measures the President at the time might have supported?

 

(...yep, my my MM...why that comment of yours almost sounded like a LAMENT about this whole thing, and not what I'm SURE was more your intent...that of course being yet another lame comment on your part about the last president to NOT be a total embarrassment to this country whenever he opens his pie hole to speak and/or tweets his little tweets with all the sophistication of your average eighth grader, and such as our present POTUS is much too much inclined to do) 

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In other words, Obama did nothing as usual but talk and play golf. At one point he could have passed any gun control laws he wanted, but didn't.

 

 

Yeh, right, MM, it's all Obama's fault. Do you live in a complete right wing Never Never Land bubble? Does no reality penetrate that bubble at all?

 

President Obama Blasts Senate After Failed Votes on Gun Control Measures

 

President Barack Obama blasted the Senate for blocking four votes on gun control measures, considered in the wake of the Orlando nightclub massacre, in which a shooter killed 49 people and injured 53 others.

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-blasts-senate-failed-votes-gun-control/story?id=40017828

 

Donald Trump tells NRA: 'I am going to come through for you'

 

The president has been supportive of NRA efforts to weaken restrictions on ownership and promised to scrap Obama’s efforts to strengthen background checks.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/28/donald-trump-nra

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This eyewitness claims an hispanic woman told her "you're all gonna die" a full 45 minutes before the massacre began.

Have none of you heard of this piece of evidence suspiciously missing from the official MSM storyline?

 

Yes, I read this news report early yesterday. A woman had apparently been kicked out by security personnel for warning "you're all going to die". I guess she was alarming people saying stuff like that.

 

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/las-vegas-shooting-crowd-warned-youre-all-going-to-die/ar-AAsPNZ8?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartandhp

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This eyewitness claims an hispanic woman told her "you're all gonna die" a full 45 minutes before the massacre began.

Have none of you heard of this piece of evidence suspiciously missing from the official MSM storyline??

 

It was a lead story on Yahoo news last night before I went to bed. That's not exactly an underground news outlet. It was originally reported by Vibe (a hip-hop culture mag), of all places. It will be interesting to see if this is followed up on at all. Someone in the comments section for the story did mention that they've never been to a concert where there wasn't at least one drunk or whacked-out nutter warning/threatening people with bodily harm. Doesn't mean that it wasn't an actual person of interest this time, I'm just saying don't assume that it is, either.

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Another report that I can't help but feel lends more peculiarity to this already extremely peculiar "event" is that the killer apparently has a common-law wife - or, at least, a woman he lives with.

 

And she just happens to have gone to Tokyo for a vacation at this time.

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It was a lead story on Yahoo news last night before I went to bed. That's not exactly an underground news outlet. It was originally reported by Vibe (a hip-hop culture mag), of all places. It will be interesting to see if this is followed up on at all. Someone in the comments section for the story did mention that they've never been to a concert where there wasn't at least one drunk or whacked-out nutter warning/threatening people with bodily harm. Doesn't mean that it wasn't an actual person of interest this time, I'm just saying don't assume that it is, either.

The mere fact that the woman was saying what she did doesn't mean she had any foreknowledge of the massacre,but what a strange thing it is when it actually happens only 45 minutes later...she could be a crazy lady,maybe just a case of synchronicity.

Apparently she said it to other ppl too and there is a hunt on for those other ppl she talked to.

 

I don't believe the official narrative,too many things they tell us don't add up,especially about the history of the alleged shooter,how he supposedly got all those weapons into the hotel all by himself w/o being detected and why there were so many diff.types of weapons.

Afterall you can only shoot one weapon at a time IF you're all alone...i am not at all sure he was alone despite the official narrative.

He certainly didn't need nor could he use them all.One fully automatic AR-15 or AK-47 with several drum clips or belt feed would suffice for his purpose,not an entire arsenal,not for just one person,and there's practically an army of witnesses who say there was more than one shooter...yes you could write them all off as having heard echoes,but so many of them??

 

I've bin to a lot of rock concerts in the dim and distant past but i never heard anybody going around saying that everybody's gonna die. :o

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The mere fact that the woman was saying what she did doesn't mean she had any foreknowledge of the massacre,but what a strange thing it is when it actually happens only 45 minutes later...she could be a crazy lady,maybe just a case of synchronicity.

Apparently she said it to other ppl too and there is a hunt on for those other ppl she talked to.

 

I don't believe the official narrative,too many things they tell us don't add up,especially about the history of the alleged shooter,how he supposedly got all those weapons into the hotel all by himself w/o being detected and why there were so many diff.types of weapons.

Afterall you can only shoot one weapon at a time IF you're all alone...i am not at all sure he was alone despite the official narrative.

He certainly didn't need nor could he use them all.One fully automatic AR-15 or AK-47 with several drum clips or belt feed would suffice for his purpose,not an entire arsenal,not for just one person,and there's practically an army of witnesses who say there was more than one shooter...yes you could write them all off as having heard echoes,but so many of them??

 

I've bin to a lot of rock concerts in the dim and distant past but i never heard anybody going around saying that everybody's gonna die. 

 

Then I would have to ask several questions: who would wish to execute such an attack, and for what purpose? If it were ISIS/Al-Qaeda etc, what would LEO's gain from keeping that secret? If it were antifa/radical leftists or far-right reactionaries, the same question applies...why keep it secret? The only reasons I can think of would be either not to tip off any co-conspirators or members of a larger group that the shooter belonged to; or that the government itself was behind the attack. Again, what would be gained by the government executing such a plan?

 

As for the shooter himself: he was reportedly found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Was it truly self-inflicted? If so, why just him and not other members of the "fire team"? Did the other shooters kill him to leave as a patsy? If so, why such a "weak" patsy, since so many are already expressing doubt in the official story? Incompetence by those planning the operation? 

 

The brother said that the shooter wasn't "into guns". But the brother lived across the country, and wouldn't necessarily know everything his brother is up to. There's a gun store owner who recalls selling many, if not all of the guns to the shooter. Is the gun store owner lying, or was the shooter a willing member of the conspiracy, an unknowing patsy duped into buying the guns by those "in charge"?

 

For those who think this was a conspiracy of some sort, who do you think was behind it? Secret globalist powers, such as the Illuminati and/or similar groups? 

 

I'm not trying mock anyone here, or trying to instigate a disagreement. I've been interested in conspiracies and conspiratorial thinking for decades. My own personal beliefs may differ substantially, but I am intrigued by what others think, and the how and why of it.

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For those who think this was a conspiracy of some sort, who do you think was behind it? Secret globalist powers, such as the Illuminati and/or similar groups? 

 

I'm not trying mock anyone here, or trying to instigate a disagreement. I've been interested in conspiracies and conspiratorial thinking for decades. My own personal beliefs may differ substantially, but I am intrigued by what others think, and the how and why of it.

 

It makes no sense for anybody to think anything at this point.

 

I know it's fun to play "I bet", but there's an awful lot we don't yet have knowledge about for us to be posing as knowing the how and why.

 

Patience.

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It makes no sense for anybody to think anything at this point.

 

I know it's fun to play "I bet", but there's an awful lot we don't yet have knowledge about for us to be posing as knowing the how and why.

 

Patience.

I know i can't tell anybody the how and why,i can only give a WAG or theory like everybody else that doesn't believe the official story.All i know is that sometimes you'll hear a story that after listening to it you can say,yea i believe it,generally because the story seems to have the ring of truth in it,having no obvious holes or loose ends.

Then you hear another story but you don't believe it cuz it just doesn't sound 'right',maybe too many holes in it,too many questions that aren't,or cannot be answered,too many things that just don't seem to add up,which is where i am on the Mandalay shootings at this point.

Problem is that if the Mandalay shootings is a conspiracy,AND if the official story is being managed,then more time likely won't tell us much of anything because as time goes on whomever is managing the story will have had time to sanitize all the unwanted nuisance facts that would tell a very different story than what we the public are supposed to believe by those managing the story.

 

Often times the most TRUTH you will ever hear in a story like this is at the very beginning when the first eyewitness reports begin to come in and before anybody has had the time to sanitize and repackage the story to the storytellers liking.Most of what comes afterwards are lies and propaganda.

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Another report that I can't help but feel lends more peculiarity to this already extremely peculiar "event" is that the killer apparently has a common-law wife - or, at least, a woman he lives with.

 

And she just happens to have gone to Tokyo for a vacation at this time.

 

Here's a new report about how he wired 100 grand to her. Apparently she's from the Philippines.

 

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/las-vegas-gunman-wired-dollar100000-to-girlfriends-home-country-report/ar-AAsRQvK?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartandhp

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I know i can't tell anybody the how and why,i can only give a WAG or theory like everybody else that doesn't believe the official story.All i know is that sometimes you'll hear a story that after listening to it you can say,yea i believe it,generally because the story seems to have the ring of truth in it,having no obvious holes or loose ends.

 

Then you hear another story but you don't believe it cuz it just doesn't sound 'right',maybe too many holes in it,too many questions that aren't,or cannot be answered,too many things that just don't seem to add up,which is where i am on the Mandalay shootings at this point.

 

Problem is that if the Mandalay shootings is a conspiracy,AND if the official story is being managed,then more time likely won't tell us much of anything because as time goes on whomever is managing the story will have had time to sanitize all the unwanted nuisance facts that would tell a very different story than what we the public are supposed to believe by those managing the story.

 

Often times the most TRUTH you will ever hear in a story like this is at the very beginning when the first eyewitness reports begin to come in and before anybody has had the time to sanitize and repackage the story to the storytellers liking.All that comes afterwards are lies and propaganda.

 

Yeah, I get all that - but it's only been a very short time since this happened. There hasn't been time to gather enough knowledge to even begin postulating who is behind it all yet.

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Disney, probably.

I wouldn't put it past that old cryogenic, union-busting, red

hysteria bastard.

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..... but it's only been a very short time since this happened. There hasn't been time to gather enough knowledge to even begin postulating who is behind it all yet.

Which brings us right back to the problem of sanitized managed story's (or is it stories?)

More time means more time to sanitize,more time to make up lies to fill in all the gaps and holes in the original story...to smoothe things over.To make the story seem more truthful than it really is.To make it more believable to the masses.

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