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TheCid

2018 Elections

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Between the ridiculous Dem. Party lawsuit against Trump, Russia and a host of others and Hillary's outspokenness, the GOPers will probably keep control of House and Senate.

Hillary needs to just keep her mouth shut until after the 2018 elections.  The Dems need to drop the lawsuit until after Mueller closes his investigation.

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1 hour ago, TheCid said:

Between the ridiculous Dem. Party lawsuit against Trump, Russia and a host of others and Hillary's outspokenness, the GOPers will probably keep control of House and Senate.

Hillary needs to just keep her mouth shut until after the 2018 elections.  The Dems need to drop the lawsuit until after Mueller closes his investigation.

I agree with what you have here.   As for the DNC lawsuit;   I really hope they filed this just for 'show' with the understanding that it was likely to be dismissed for being premature,  being told to refile it after Mueller closes his investigation.  (and after it is refiled they can "request" that Mueller turn things over that are linked to their lawsuit).

To me the overall point here is that the Dems have a lot of good things going for them as it relates to winning House seats and even picking up a few Senate seats.    They just need to run with these things instead of going off on tangents especially those that just look like playing politics (another example would be Daniels),  and not directly tied to improving the life of voters.

   

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1 minute ago, TheCid said:

Spotting what?

The bumper sticker. It's a joke, meaning they are willing to support any candidate who is a functioning adult, the implication being that there are currently none in Congress, and that our standards are now that low.

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Just now, LawrenceA said:

The bumper sticker. It's a joke, meaning they are willing to support any candidate who is a functioning adult, the implication being that there are currently none in Congress, and that our standards are now that low.

For some reason the bumper sticker photo did not come up when I first accessed this post.  Of course by stating 2020 rather than 2018, do they mean Trump/Pence, etc.?

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Just now, TheCid said:

For some reason the bumper sticker photo did not come up when I first accessed this post.  Of course by stating 2020 rather than 2018, do they mean Trump/Pence, etc.?

Yeah...I guess I misread it myself. The sentiment works for any election, though. 😩

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http://m.startribune.com/former-george-w-bush-ethics-lawyer-to-run-for-u-s-senate-as-a-democrat/481182291/

Richard Painter, a longtime Republican who was chief ethics lawyer for George W. Bush’s White House, intends to run for the U.S. Senate in Minnesota this year as a Democrat, according to a filing he made recently with federal elections officials.

Painter, a persistent and frequent critic of President Donald Trump on national cable TV news appearances and on Twitter, is expected to announce his candidacy at a Monday news conference.

He’s running for Democrat Al Franken’s former seat. Franken resigned Jan. 2 in the wake of numerous sexual harassment allegations.

 

Gov. Mark Dayton appointed Lt. Gov. Tina Smith to be his successor. That seat is up this fall in a special election, and Smith has said she intends to run for the right to finish the term through 2020.

Minnesota’s other Senate seat, held by Democrat Amy Klobuchar, is also up this fall, although she is widely expected to win another term.

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This from Adam Schiff who warned fellow Democrats against a rush to talk about impeachment before all the evidence was in front of them. "Let President Trump arouse his voters as he will," Schiff wrote, "while Democrats continue to focus on the economy, family and a return to basic decency. And in the meantime, all Americans should reserve judgment until the investigations have run their course."

It is going to hard for Dems to 'focus on the economy' since that is humming along fine;  e.g. unemployment rate < 4% and at its lowest level since 2000.    Yea,  the stock market is very volatile but I assume most middle-class voters feel that impacts mostly the rich (and the ones with 401k plans invested in the market don't track that in 'real time').     Dems can run against the new Federal Tax laws but that is a very complex issues and might play into the hands of the GOP (who are running on that in a very simple way;  e.g. ads that say 'your paycheck is larger,   that is because of the tax plan).  

The other two things 'family and a return to basic decency' sound like GOP talking points and way too vague and I don't see them motivating voters.   So while I agree with Schiff that Dems shouldn't focus their campaign for a House seat on  'vote for me, I'll vote to impeach Trump' I'm surprised he didn't mention things like women's rights,  gun-control,  and environmental protection (lack of under Trump admin).

   

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I think the economy issue is more than just Wall Street and others indicators.  That shows how well corporate America and the wealthy are doing.  It is about whether or not each voter actually is earning more money or has a decent job.  Is there family better off than before Trump?  Doubtful.

One interesting situation is in S.C.  For years the state income tax has been "conformed" to the Federal system.  Under the new Federal taxes, many in S.C. will pay more - millions overall.  It is primarily in the $50,000 to $80,000 brackets, largest bracket in the state.  So while Federal taxes went down for corporations and wealthy, total income taxes actually go up in state for many.  So, Trump and GOPer voters screwed themselves.

Legislature is trying to do something about it, but they only have three days left and abortion is bigger issue.

I agree family values and decency are too vague.  They need to focus on specifics.  Not to sure that gun control is an issue they should campaign on, except in certain districts.

Focus should be on how They will make the Trump voters better off under Democrats.  And emphasize less of Pelosi, Warren, Sanders, et. al. 

Impeachment should definitely be off the table at this point.  It just scares the H out of independents and Trump voters.  A lot of Trump voters are having second thoughts.  Capitalize on why and turn them.

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What’s At Stake In The First Big Primary Day Of 2018-

......There are lots of weird, interesting races, but the most significant takeaway will be whether the Democratic and Republican parties are nominating strong candidates for the fall. .....

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-at-stake-in-the-first-big-primary-day-of-2018/?cid=social_twitter_abcn

 

(thanks, jakeem) :)

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Article in Time magazine notes that the winners of the primaries this past week are pretty much traditional rather than some of the extremist outliers that were running in both parties.  The extremist in both parties went down to defeat.

While this bodes well for getting better people in office in general, it does not bode well for Dems re-taking House, much less the Senate.  Still possible, but not an easy fight ahead.

If Dems become over confident, as they did it 2016, they will lose again.  Steve and Cokie Roberts have a column about this.  If Dems end up with extremists of the Sanders, Warren, Pelosi, etc. type, they will lose again.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2018/05/14/daily-202-trump-voters-stay-loyal-because-they-feel-disrespected/5af8aac530fb0425887994cc/?utm_term=.9861630880f7&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

James Hohman's article in Washington Post is must read for Dems.  It shows much about how they lost presidency in 2016, as well as many state and federal offices.  It shows how they may very well lose in 2018 and 2020 if they do not learn from their mistakes.

Just as I felt by the time the election rolled around, Hillary was appealing to far too many "minority" groups and not to majority of Americans.  Amazing that she did win the popular vote.

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1 minute ago, TheCid said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2018/05/14/daily-202-trump-voters-stay-loyal-because-they-feel-disrespected/5af8aac530fb0425887994cc/?utm_term=.9861630880f7&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

James Hohman's article in Washington Post is must read for Dems.  It shows much about how they lost presidency in 2016, as well as many state and federal offices.  It shows how they may very well lose in 2018 and 2020 if they do not learn from their mistakes.

Just as I felt by the time the election rolled around, Hillary was appealing to far too many "minority" groups and not to majority of Americans.  Amazing that she did win the popular vote.

The Economist had a very interesting article about how the Dems are pushing for a full-employment bill;  I.e. the Feds hire anyone that is willing to work but can't find a private sector job.    Dems are mostly vague on the type of jobs these Fed workers would do but infrastructure is mentioned.   Of course they don't say how this would be funded.

Politically it sounds like a bad idea.   (one supported by those that already vote 'Dem' in blue states, but a loser idea in the states the Dems need to make gains in).

Also,  the Dems are NOT going to mention illegal immigrants but simple math says they should;  i.e. unemployment would be < 2% if unemployed citizens took the jobs of the illegal immigrants.   

 

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9 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

The Economist had a very interesting article about how the Dems are pushing for a full-employment bill;  I.e. the Feds hire anyone that is willing to work but can't find a private sector job.    Dems are mostly vague on the type of jobs these Fed workers would do but infrastructure is mentioned.   Of course they don't say how this would be funded.

Politically it sounds like a bad idea.   (one supported by those that already vote 'Dem' in blue states, but a loser idea in the states the Dems need to make gains in).

Also,  the Dems are NOT going to mention illegal immigrants but simple math says they should;  i.e. unemployment would be < 2% if unemployed citizens took the jobs of the illegal immigrants.   

 

Agree with first two paragraphs.  As for para 3, somewhat confusing.  What I "hear" you saying is that if the lazy American citizens would take the jobs the illegals are taking instead of going on welfare, not working or committing crimes, unemployment would be less than 2%.  Problems is they won't.

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4 minutes ago, TheCid said:

Agree with first two paragraphs.  As for para 3, somewhat confusing.  What I "hear" you saying is that if the lazy American citizens would take the jobs the illegals are taking instead of going on welfare, not working or committing crimes, unemployment would be less than 2%.  Problems is they won't.

The connection with this Dem full-employment plan and illegal immigration is that if so called lazy citizens are not willing to do the jobs illegal immigrants do,  what makes these Dems think they will take these Fed jobs?    The articles stated that no one with these plans has addressed if one could be fired from one of the Fed jobs or docked pay for non-performance etc....   Yea,  like a REAL job.    If there are many loopholes to getting paid for doing little to no work the plan just becomes another form of welfare for lazy folks.

   

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2 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

The connection with this Dem full-employment plan and illegal immigration is that if so called lazy citizens are not willing to do the jobs illegal immigrants do,  what makes these Dems think they will take these Fed jobs?    The articles stated that no one with these plans has addressed if one could be fired from one of the Fed jobs or docked pay for non-performance etc....   Yea,  like a REAL job.    If there are many loopholes to getting paid for doing little to no work the plan just becomes another form of welfare for lazy folks.

Isn't there a central or northern California city experimenting with "guaranteed income" payments? Have you read anything about that, and if so, how is it working?

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4 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

Isn't there a central or northern California city experimenting with "guaranteed income" payments? Have you read anything about that, and if so, how is it working?

Yes, there were a few discussion in this CA city but, if I recall correctly,  it didn't come to a vote.   

This full-employment bill is a preliminary step towards a guaranteed income type program.    

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So a bunch of clueless idiots believe everything some lying con man tells them.

Screw' em all. 

Dick Nixon of all people was considering a minimum income for poor folks but

finally decided against it. 

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Democrats are choosing to enable the GOP to retain control of state governments, US House and US Senate.  They are nominating the far left extremists in Dem party primaries.  This will prove costly in November as the independents and centrist Republicans will once again vote for GOP-they have no choice.  Trump is NOT ON THE BALLOT in November, so voters will be voting for the candidates on the ballot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2018/05/16/daily-202-the-far-left-is-winning-the-democratic-civil-war/5afb5fe230fb042588799528/?utm_term=.ba99443e7d4c

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1 hour ago, TheCid said:

Democrats are choosing to enable the GOP to retain control of state governments, US House and US Senate.  They are nominating the far left extremists in Dem party primaries.  This will prove costly in November as the independents and centrist Republicans will once again vote for GOP-they have no choice.  Trump is NOT ON THE BALLOT in November, so voters will be voting for the candidates on the ballot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2018/05/16/daily-202-the-far-left-is-winning-the-democratic-civil-war/5afb5fe230fb042588799528/?utm_term=.ba99443e7d4c

I understand some sanders-backed dem candidates won pretty good in some pennsylvania races last nite.

guess tom perez doan scare them.

:)

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3 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Common Dreams @commondreams 6h6 hours ago

 

Big Primary Wins for Socialists and Progressives Who Ran on 'Popular Demands That Were Deemed Impossible' http://ow.ly/yhyo30k1L9k 

"Welcome to the political revolution."

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I recommend one wait on giving these candidates a high-five until one sees the results of the general election.

Just saying.  

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Andrew Malcolm, opinion columnist with McClatchy points out that neither party has a coherent platform for the midterm elections at this point.  More importantly he points out the problems for the Dems with Pelosi and the House Dem leadership.

The Dems are bound and determined to insure at least two more years of Republican control of both houses of Congress and most state governments.  Although a lot of GOP House members are not running for reelection, this actually gives the voters in Nov. an opportunity to vote GOP while still voting for new people in House.

https://www.arcamax.com/politics/opeds/s-2080599

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I'm starting to see political ads for the upcoming races, which here in Florida include governor and US senator, along with representatives. As usual I'm seeing many more Republican ads than Democrats, and all of the PAC commercials have been from conservative groups. So far the narrative from the right seems to be that Dems in Washington do nothing while living large off of the taxpayers back, all while not having term limits. Term limits in Congress seems to be a big rallying cry from the Right this time around. That's the talking point that current governor and Senate candidate Rick Scott keeps harping on, obviously do the incumbent opponent, Bill Nelson, having first been elected to the senate 18 years ago, after serving in the House from '79 to '91.

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