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2018 Elections

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58 minutes ago, TheCid said:

Initial reports on June 12 primaries show that the GOP has abandoned itself completely to Trumpism.  If you did not support Trump, you lost.  Mark Sanford (S.C.) never lost a race, until yesterday.  He was expected to win until Trump endorsed his opponent day before the election.

I believe something similar happened in Virginia as well.

 

Sanford shoulda got lost years ago when he was caught horsing around with some babe. his constituents wanted him to resign but he refused to.

 

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NC now has five parties--Republican, Democratic, Libertarian, Green, and

Constitutional, the last being a conservative party. Take yer choice.

 

There's a special place in hell for people who keep using the phrase There's

a special place in hell. :)

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16 hours ago, Gershwin fan said:

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/12/the-democratic-partys-2018-view-of-identity-politics-is-confusing-and-thus-appears-cynical-and-opportunistic/

The Democratic Party’s 2018 View of Identity Politics Is Confusing, and Thus Appears Cynical and Opportunistic

THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL election was the peak, at least thus far, for the tactics of identity politics in U.S. elections. In the Democratic primary, Hillary Clinton’s potential status as the first female candidate was frequently used not only to inspire her supporters but also to shame and malign those who supported other candidates, particularly Bernie Sanders.

In February 2016 — at the height of the Clinton-Sanders battle — former Clinton Secretary of State Madeleine Albright introduced Hillary Clinton at a New Hampshire rally by predicting a grim afterlife for female supporters of Sanders, while Clinton and Cory Booker cheered: “There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!” she announced.

Though Albright apologized in the New York Times for her insensitive phrasing after a backlash ensued, she did reaffirm her central point: “When women are empowered to make decisions, society benefits. They will raise issues, pass bills and put money into projects that men might overlook or oppose.”

Not sure of the point here, but this is not all that much different from what Bernie does.  He is very much into identity politics and appealing to a very narrow group of voters.  One of the least inclusive politicians around.

16 hours ago, Gershwin fan said:

From the article-

Following his 2016 presidential campaign, Sanders—who is now far-and-away the most popular politician in the country—repeatedly emphasized the importance of creating a more inclusive party organized around the needs of the poor and working class, not corporate donors.

"If the Democratic Party is going to succeed... it's gonna have to open its door to independents," Sanders said in an interview last April. "There are probably more independents in this country than Democrats or Republicans. It's got to open its doors to working people and to young people, create a grassroots party."

I agree with this statement. While they should ideally be members of the Democrat party, being so exclusive isn't going to win elections. The Dems should open their door to more than just corporate donors.

Donald Trump is more popular than Sanders and the recent primary voting shows that.

The Democratic Party has always been the more inclusive of the parties in US and especially represents the poor, working class, women and others.  The doors have always been open to independents, but the "independents" who vote tend to be drawn toward the GOP.

It has always been open to more than just corporate donors.  That is a fabrication created by Sanders because he really did not appeal to the majority of Democratic voters or even independents.  What works in VT does not work in the whole country.

Without the corporate donors and their money, the Dems have little chance of reaching the independents they need in order to win.  We may not like it, but that is politics in the US today and for the future.

All the DNC wants is that if you want to run as a Democrat, say you are a Democrat.  If Bernie can't do that, something is wrong with him and reflects poorly on his ability to work with others.  With out that ability he would founder as a national leader - which is why he isn't really one.

Much of Bernie's success was due to Hillary being such a poor candidate and having a poor campaign.

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16 hours ago, Vautrin said:

NC now has five parties--Republican, Democratic, Libertarian, Green, and

Constitutional, the last being a conservative party. Take yer choice.

 

There's a special place in hell for people who keep using the phrase There's

a special place in hell. :)

Most states have several parties, but the ones other than Dem and GOP have very, very few candidates and get less than 5% (if that) of the votes.  In S.C., we have the above plus the American, which I think is George Wallace's old party, but not sure.

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4 hours ago, TheCid said:

Without the corporate donors and their money, the Dems have little chance of reaching the independents they need in order to win.  We may not like it, but that is politics in the US today and for the future.

Someone, I can't recall who, recently linked an article that addressed this issue in a stark, practical way. The fact is, the Republican party is the party of wealth and big business, and therefore is flush with cash. Their donors are more plentiful and donate more, a lot more, than Democratic donors. The Democratic party is the party of the poor, the working class, the marginalized, and unfortunately, these people don't have the deep pockets of the Republicans.

The article compared the ground game of each party, and how the Republicans entice young people to work for their party and campaigns with paid internships, salaried positions, or offers of employment at big firms after the election cycle. Meanwhile, most Democratic "ground troops" are unpaid volunteers, interns who are doing it for college credit or resume building (also unpaid), or retirees looking for something to do (for free). I can again use my local party apparatus as an example: the Republican Party HQ is in a nice, two-story building with full time employees. The Democrat Party HQ is in some guy's car garage, and they meet when they have a chance.

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30 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

Someone, I can't recall who, recently linked an article that addressed this issue in a stark, practical way. The fact is, the Republican party is the party of wealth and big business, and therefore is flush with cash. Their donors are more plentiful and donate more, a lot more, than Democratic donors. The Democratic party is the party of the poor, the working class, the marginalized, and unfortunately, these people don't have the deep pockets of the Republicans.

The article compared the ground game of each party, and how the Republicans entice young people to work for their party and campaigns with paid internships, salaried positions, or offers of employment at big firms after the election cycle. Meanwhile, most Democratic "ground troops" are unpaid volunteers, interns who are doing it for college credit or resume building (also unpaid), or retirees looking for something to do (for free). I can again use my local party apparatus as an example: the Republican Party HQ is in a nice, two-story building with full time employees. The Democrat Party HQ is in some guy's car garage, and they meet when they have a chance.

But don't try to tell working class folk that vote for Trump and the GOP that they are brainwashed by their propaganda machine.

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8 hours ago, TheCid said:

Most states have several parties, but the ones other than Dem and GOP have very, very few candidates and get less than 5% (if that) of the votes.  In S.C., we have the above plus the American, which I think is George Wallace's old party, but not sure.

The number of signatures required for a party to get on the ballot was lowered quite a bit

so the Greens and Constitutional parties will now be on the ballot, not that they will get many

votes. It seems there is an article about every two years in the newspaper about how the

Libertarians are about to break out and of course they never do. I think Wallace's old party

was called the American Independent Party, though I wouldn't swear to that. Might be time

to pay the final bills and lock the door.

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Ohio’s Junk Mail Trick Led the Supreme Court to Approve Jim Crow Voter Purge

.....It was a voter’s failure to return the postcard that cost them their right to vote. The Court majority said that the Help America Vote Act trumps the National Voter Registration Act, arguing that the act passed under George W. Bush “specifies that ‘nothing in [the National Voter Registration Act prohibition] may be construed to prohibit a State from using the procedures’ — [such as] sending a return card.”

The Justices ruled that a voter’s failure to return a postcard (which asks the voter to confirm their address) constitutes solid proof that the voter had left Ohio or moved to another voting district....

“Looks like junk mail, you’d throw it in the garbage.” ...........

Kobach’s office directs the national program to remove voters who fail to respond to a postcard, taking advantage of the nifty Help America Vote Act-shaped hole in the National Voter Registration Act.

That Kris Kobach led the way with the purge-by-postcard scheme is not surprising, given his long history of scams to disenfranchise voters of color,....

https://truthout.org/articles/ohios-junk-mail-trick-led-the-supreme-court-to-approve-jim-crow-vote-purge/

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10 hours ago, TheCid said:

Not sure of the point here, but this is not all that much different from what Bernie does.  He is very much into identity politics and appealing to a very narrow group of voters.  One of the least inclusive politicians around.

 

Hillary and her campaign frequently mentioned that she would be the first woman president. How often did Bernie mention he would be the first Ashkenazi president? 

10 hours ago, TheCid said:

The Democratic Party has always been the more inclusive of the parties in US and especially represents the poor, working class, women and others.  The doors have always been open to independents, but the "independents" who vote tend to be drawn toward the GOP.

Yeah, drone striking and neoliberalism are definitely pro working class. :lol: So inclusive that even a few policies that would help the working class are too much for you. If Independents tend to vote GOP then the Dems should just become the GOP to bring them in. That's perfect.

10 hours ago, TheCid said:

It has always been open to more than just corporate donors.  That is a fabrication created by Sanders because he really did not appeal to the majority of Democratic voters or even independents.  What works in VT does not work in the whole country.

Without the corporate donors and their money, the Dems have little chance of reaching the independents they need in order to win.  We may not like it, but that is politics in the US today and for the future.

Really rethink these two sentences.

"This is a fabrication"

"Without the corporate donors-"

10 hours ago, TheCid said:

All the DNC wants is that if you want to run as a Democrat, say you are a Democrat.  If Bernie can't do that, something is wrong with him and reflects poorly on his ability to work with others.  With out that ability he would founder as a national leader - which is why he isn't really one.

Much of Bernie's success was due to Hillary being such a poor candidate and having a poor campaign.

This new rule is very clearly intended to wipe out all dissident parts of the party that aren't neoliberal/ establishment. Yeah, Hillary was an awful garbage candidate and maybe one of the biggest embarrassments of the 21st Century but other candidates who just repeat her failed policies are only going to lead to failure like she did. The rise of Donald Trump is proof that people are sick of the establishment stooges like Clinton. 

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53 minutes ago, Gershwin fan said:

Hillary and her campaign frequently mentioned that she would be the first woman president. How often did Bernie mention he would be the first Ashkenazi president? 

Yeah, drone striking and neoliberalism are definitely pro working class. :lol: So inclusive that even a few policies that would help the working class are too much for you. If Independents tend to vote GOP then the Dems should just become the GOP to bring them in. That's perfect.

Really rethink these two sentences.

"This is a fabrication"

"Without the corporate donors-"

This new rule is very clearly intended to wipe out all dissident parts of the party that aren't neoliberal/ establishment. Yeah, Hillary was an awful garbage candidate and maybe one of the biggest embarrassments of the 21st Century but other candidates who just repeat her failed policies are only going to lead to failure like she did. 

*The rise of Donald Trump is proof that people are sick of the establishment stooges like Clinton. 

 

*The rise of trump is proof that there are still  a lot of sick, racist Americans in this country-- maybe more than the average American was willing to admit-- despite the election of the first African-American president.

 

Undoubtably trump will go down as the biggest embarrassment of the 21st Century in the history of  the United States of America.

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30 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

 

*The rise of trump is proof that there are still  a lot of sick, racist Americans in this country-- maybe more than the average American was willing to admit-- despite the election of the first African-American president.

 

Undoubtably trump will go down as the biggest embarrassment of the 21st Century in the history of  the United States of America.

My other comments have been deleted so I will just leave this Walter Benjamin quote. Perfectly encapsulates my views of the situation.

"every rise of Fascism is the sign of a failed revolution"

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14 hours ago, Gershwin fan said:

Hillary and her campaign frequently mentioned that she would be the first woman president. How often did Bernie mention he would be the first Ashkenazi president? 

Yeah, drone striking and neoliberalism are definitely pro working class. :lol: So inclusive that even a few policies that would help the working class are too much for you. If Independents tend to vote GOP then the Dems should just become the GOP to bring them in. That's perfect.

Really rethink these two sentences.

"This is a fabrication"

"Without the corporate donors-"

This new rule is very clearly intended to wipe out all dissident parts of the party that aren't neoliberal/ establishment. Yeah, Hillary was an awful garbage candidate and maybe one of the biggest embarrassments of the 21st Century but other candidates who just repeat her failed policies are only going to lead to failure like she did. The rise of Donald Trump is proof that people are sick of the establishment stooges like Clinton. 

1.  "Hillary and her campaign frequently mentioned that she would be the first woman president. How often did Bernie mention he would be the first Ashkenazi president?"

Irrelevant to what I said.  I have stated before that Hillary did not appeal to wide enough groups.  Sanders appeals to an even narrower grouping.

2.  "Yeah, drone striking and neoliberalism are definitely pro working class. :lol: So inclusive that even a few policies that would help the working class are too much for you. If Independents tend to vote GOP then the Dems should just become the GOP to bring them in. That's perfect."

Not sure what you mean by drone striking and the first sentence confuses me.  Second sentence is actually false.  I am very pro-working class, pro-union, etc.  I am opposed to egregious policies that would bankrupt the country, but more importantly turn many conservative/moderate Democrats and Independents against the Dem. Party.  If you cannot get elected, you cannot change anything.  Sanders and "progressives" are advancing large number of policies, not just a "few."  Never said Dems should become Republicans, but they damn well better figure out why the GOP controls the United States by winning elections from the school boards to the White House - and it does.
 

3.  I "rethought" the two sentences: "This is a fabrication""Without the corporate donors-"

   Please be clearer as to why. It is a fabrication by the Sanders supporters who tried to portray the Dem Party as being controlled completely by or appealing only to corporate donors.  It ain't so, Joe.  It is a fact; without money, you cannot win.  May not be right or good, but it is a fact.

4.  I read the rule as adopted.  Your statement is incorrect.  It merely states that if you want to run for president as a Democrat, you have to say you are a Democrat and that you support the Democratic Party.  As of last week, Sanders once again turned his back on the Democratic Party of VT and declared he is an independent.  Whether we like it or not, state and national politics in the US is based on the two party system.  

5.  The rise of Donald Trump is proof that people are sick of the establishment stooges like Clinton.  Sanders lost to people who favored Clinton or Trump.

 

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Federal Judge Strikes Down Kansas Proof Of Citizenship Law

The judge said the law championed by the Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach violated federal law and the 14th Amendment.
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13 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Federal Judge Strikes Down Kansas Proof Of Citizenship Law

The judge said the law championed by the Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach violated federal law and the 14th Amendment.
:)

But will the US Supreme Court agree?  Probably not based on the way recent votes are trending.

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Trump and Pence are coming to S.C. June 25 to campaign for Gov. Henry McMaster, who was the first elected official in S.C. to endorse Trump.  Trump's appointment of Nikki Haley to the UN opened up the governorship for McMaster.  The four major candidates in the primary all fully support Trump.

The primary runoff is on June 26.  While McMaster is the incumbent, his opponent John Warren is favored by many as he is an "outsider."  Marine veteran or Iraq who created a mortgage company and has become a multi-millionaire in just a few years.  He has promised to do things that the governor has absolutely no power to do in S.C.  But then most voters don't know that.

Will be interesting to see if Trump and Pence can pull it out for McMaster.

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Vote for me, Henry McMaster. If President Trump tells me to shoot

my wife and children, I will. John Warren won't. 'Nuff said.

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We had some surprising local news in my area today, as the second or third largest private employer in the county shut down without warning, leaving over 500 people without jobs, and with no notice. It was a technical support call center (remember that the next time you have a tech or customer support call and it's from overseas...) that worked with various larger companies, such as Dell computers and Dish Network, among others. It hired people with a high school diploma or GED equivalent, so that was an important employer for this area, where most of the citizenry with a college education leave, and those that stay are unskilled and under educated. There are three other large private employers in the area: TimCo, which is an aircraft maintenance firm; Target distribution center, which specializes in frozen food products; and Wal-Mart. I'm curious how this angry, suddenly-unemployed group will factor, if at all, in the upcoming mid-terms. The Trump economic boost will not be a reality for those folks.

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30 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

We had some surprising local news in my area today, as the second or third largest private employer in the county shut down without warning, leaving over 500 people without jobs, and with no notice. It was a technical support call center (remember that the next time you have a tech or customer support call and it's from overseas...) that worked with various larger companies, such as Dell computers and Dish Network, among others. It hired people with a high school diploma or GED equivalent, so that was an important employer for this area, where most of the citizenry with a college education leave, and those that stay are unskilled and under educated. There are three other large private employers in the area: TimCo, which is an aircraft maintenance firm; Target distribution center, which specializes in frozen food products; and Wal-Mart. I'm curious how this angry, suddenly-unemployed group will factor, if at all, in the upcoming mid-terms. The Trump economic boost will not be a reality for those folks.

That's happened in several towns in Northeast Kansas in the last few years. But they usually gave them some kind of notice between 2 and 4 weeks. And in one case the town had actually subsidized  the business.  I don't know if they ever got their money back.

In the first place, do you think people like that really consistently vote too much-- and what would trump do for them anyway?

Sadly, those are the kind of people who really need extended Medicaid and unemployment insurance, which is something that the trump Republicans aren't going to give them anyway.

 

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Yeah, I called Dell last week about a computer problem and the woman who answered

the call was hard to understand. After each time she tried something that didn't work,

she would say no problem and then go on to the next attempted fix. I get a lot of

nuisance calls from folks with an Indian accent. The funny part is they always use names

like Joe Smith or Frank Brown. Yeah if your name is Joe Smith I'm the Pope.

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2 hours ago, Vautrin said:

Yeah, I called Dell last week about a computer problem and the woman who answered

the call was hard to understand. After each time she tried something that didn't work,

she would say no problem and then go on to the next attempted fix. I get a lot of

nuisance calls from folks with an Indian accent. The funny part is they always use names

like Joe Smith or Frank Brown. Yeah if your name is Joe Smith I'm the Pope.

This has happened to me so many times that I have a script.

It goes something like this: Get me somebody who can speak English because I can't understand what you're saying. After I'm on hold for a while I just hang up and call again hoping for someone I can understand.

The funny part is, the customer service rep who cannot speak clear English keeps on repeating their script over and over again so that it starts to sound just like a comedy routine from Shelley Berman or Bob Newhart.

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On 6/20/2018 at 6:18 PM, Vautrin said:

Vote for me, Henry McMaster. If President Trump tells me to shoot

my wife and children, I will. John Warren won't. 'Nuff said.

Actually Warren would be more likely to do that, based on what he is now saying.  He is more Trump than McMaster.

On 6/20/2018 at 9:53 PM, LawrenceA said:

We had some surprising local news in my area today, as the second or third largest private employer in the county shut down without warning, leaving over 500 people without jobs, and with no notice. It was a technical support call center (remember that the next time you have a tech or customer support call and it's from overseas...) that worked with various larger companies, such as Dell computers and Dish Network, among others. It hired people with a high school diploma or GED equivalent, so that was an important employer for this area, where most of the citizenry with a college education leave, and those that stay are unskilled and under educated. There are three other large private employers in the area: TimCo, which is an aircraft maintenance firm; Target distribution center, which specializes in frozen food products; and Wal-Mart. I'm curious how this angry, suddenly-unemployed group will factor, if at all, in the upcoming mid-terms. The Trump economic boost will not be a reality for those folks.

Something similar happened in S.C. as well this week.

17 hours ago, Vautrin said:

Yeah, I called Dell last week about a computer problem and the woman who answered

the call was hard to understand. After each time she tried something that didn't work,

she would say no problem and then go on to the next attempted fix. I get a lot of

nuisance calls from folks with an Indian accent. The funny part is they always use names

like Joe Smith or Frank Brown. Yeah if your name is Joe Smith I'm the Pope.

I give them two minutes and then ask for a supervisor.  Usually that gets me to someone else, but not always.  I never get a last name no matter how many times I ask.  When I get the supervisor, I also ask for his/her extension.

14 hours ago, Princess of Tap said:

This has happened to me so many times that I have a script.

It goes something like this: Get me somebody who can speak English because I can't understand what you're saying. After I'm on hold for a while I just hang up and call again hoping for someone I can understand.

The funny part is, the customer service rep who cannot speak clear English keeps on repeating their script over and over again so that it starts to sound just like a comedy routine from Shelley Berman or Bob Newhart.

Have noticed that I speak to people who can communicate in English more often now than in past.  They do have a script and I am sure they are evaluated on whether or not they fully pursue the script before transferring the calls.

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Besides the heated Bill Nelson (D) vs Rick Scott (R) race for the US senate, Florida has a very contentious governor's race. It's odd in that there have been a lot of Democrats running adds, but no Republicans, despite that being the party with the greater chance of winning. I assume they're saving their ad dollars until closer to election time.

The most discussed Republican candidate is current US Congressman Ron DeSantis. He's a true-believer Trump bootlicker, but he has yet to run any ads himself. Instead, anti-DeSantis superPACs have been running constant ads bashing him. State Agriculture Secretary Adam Putnam is also running.

The Democrats include Philip Levine, Chris King, Andrew Gillum, Gwen Graham, and Jeff Greene. I haven't seen any ads for Gillum (the current mayor of Tallahassee) or Graham (daughter of former governor and senator Bob Graham), but the remaining three have run ads. Levine is running on education, and guaranteed teacher raises. King is leaning heavily on social justice, particularly gun violence. His ad features he and his family marching with the Pulse nightclub survivors, so it's a pro-gun control and pro-LGBTQ commercial. And Greene, who seems to be the frontrunner for the Democratic side, is a billionaire real estate guy from Los Angeles who moved to Florida after making a killing during the '08 crash. He seems to be running on being anti-Trump, and his ad features footage of him confronting Trump at Mar-a-Lago, although there's no audio.

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26 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

Besides the heated Bill Nelson (D) vs Rick Scott (R) race for the US senate, Florida has a very contentious governor's race. It's odd in that there have been a lot of Democrats running adds, but no Republicans, despite that being the party with the greater chance of winning. I assume they're saving their ad dollars until closer to election time.

So more then one candidate per party can be on the ballot in the general election for the governor's race OR are these 'lot of Democrats' running ads for your soon to come primary election?

I ask because here in CA we just had our open primary (truly open since candidates from all parties are on one ballot, and every voter uses this one ballot).     For the general the two candidates with the most votes are on the general.    

 

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