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The President And The Porn Star

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2 hours ago, mr6666 said:

just curious.....

would a NDA include any evidence of a crime?

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A crime by whom?   Could be a crime by Daniels to extort money.     It is my understanding any sexual acts between the two were consensual.   Therefore the only purpose of an NDA was to ensure Daniel didn't mention this consensual sex.   To me that is blackmail and extortion.

What is going on here is much different than NDA that related to unwanted sexual advances or sexual assault.   This isn't extortion since those actions on the part of the perpetrator are illegal or would lead to employer sanctions.   E.g. The agreement O'Reilly made.  

I know most here don't care about any of this as long as it makes life difficult for Trump,  but Daniels is also a major scumbag.   Most likely she had sex with Trump just so she could use this against him for financial gain.

 

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3 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

A crime by whom?   Could be a crime by Daniels to extort money.     It is my understanding any sexual acts between the two were consensual.   Therefore the only purpose of an NDA was to ensure Daniel didn't mention this consensual sex.   To me that is blackmail and extortion.

What is going on here is much different than NDA that related to unwanted sexual advances or sexual assault.   This isn't extortion since those actions on the part of the perpetrator are illegal or would lead to employer sanctions.   E.g. The agreement O'Reilly made.  

I know most here don't care about any of this as long as it makes life difficult for Trump,  but Daniels is also a major scumbag.   Most likely she had sex with Trump just so she could use this against him for financial gain.

 

Where did you get your law degree?

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2 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

Where did you get your law degree?

It appears you agree with my take here.   Thanks

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1 minute ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

It appears you agree with my take here.   Thanks

No, I just wondered what made you think you knew more about the law than a real lawyer.

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2 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

No, I just wondered what made you think you knew more about the law than a real lawyer.

Why don't you just deal with what I stated?   Oh,  because I guess you can't.  

E.g. Who contacted whom first?    To me it is logical to assume Daniels approached Trump and his lawyer first once he declared he was running for office.   That is logical since why would Trump's lawyer contract Daniels?   As we all know Trump sleep with multiple women so it isn't logical Trump's lawyer would contract all of them and ask 'are you going to tell?'.     Daniels get paid off to be quite but then decided she can get more money by backing out of the NDA.      She agreed to terms and then decides to break them,  for more money.    As we have seen in many noir movies is there a bigger scumbag than one that takes money to keep quite and then reneges on the agreement? 

You appear to want to believe Daniels is some type of saint.   But the facts don't support that.   One doesn't have to be a lawyer to see that.   

I have said many times that Trump is in this mess because of his own anise behavior.    I think all of this is great,  but that doesn't mean Daniels isn't a scumbag as well. 

BUT:  my brother-in-law is the DA and I got some of these thoughts from him.

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9 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Why don't you just deal with what I stated?   Oh,  because I guess you can't.  

E.g. Who contacted whom first?    To me it is logical to assume Daniels approached Trump and his lawyer first once he declared he was running for office.   That is logical since why would Trump's lawyer contract Daniels?   As we all know Trump sleep with multiple women so it isn't logical Trump's lawyer would contract all of them and ask 'are you going to tell?'.     Daniels get paid off to be quite but then decided she can get more money by backing out of the NDA.      She agreed to terms and then decides to break them,  for more money.    As we have seen in many noir movies is there a bigger scumbag than one that takes money to keep quite and then reneges on the agreement? 

You appear to want to believe Daniels is some type of saint.   But the facts don't support that.   One doesn't have to be a lawyer to see that.   

I have said many times that Trump is in this mess because of his own anise behavior.    I think all of this is great,  but that doesn't mean Daniels isn't a scumbag as well. 

BUT:  my brother-in-law is the DA and I got some of these thoughts from him.

You wrote a lot, but the last sentence was all you needed to tell me.

 

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2 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

I know most here don't care about any of this as long as it makes life difficult for Trump,  but Daniels is also a major scumbag.   Most likely she had sex with Trump just so she could use this against him for financial gain.

 

Poor Donald. He's such a victim. The world is a terrible place for naive millionaires.

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On 3/18/2018 at 2:21 PM, jamesjazzguitar said:

Isn't what Daniels doing similar to revenge porn?  Clearly it is blackmail and extortion.  A person willingly has sex with a married person.   The person then uses the fact that the married person wishes to keep this a secret by demanding hush money.    The person is paid the hush money but later on decides they can even get more money and decides not to honor the agreement.

This is similar to revenge porn in that a women is blackmailed into having to continue to have sex with a man or pay him a sum,  to ensure he doesn't expose the fact she had sex with him and allowed him to take pictures of her.

I.e.  shame of sex is the tool used to blackmail someone.

While this couldn't happen to a 'nicer' person than Trump,  progressive shouldn't be proud that sexual blackmail is being used here since progressive have been leading the charge to make such actions illegal (well, when done by a man).

 

Trump's dubious past leaves himself open to blackmail. Ask Vladimir Putin.

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I don't understand how a NDA signed by only one of the parties is valid. Whatever.

But it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

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Question: "Yes or no, Stormy Daniels: Did you sit on the President's face?"

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14 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

A crime by whom?   Could be a crime by Daniels to extort money.     It is my understanding any sexual acts between the two were consensual.   Therefore the only purpose of an NDA was to ensure Daniel didn't mention this consensual sex.   To me that is blackmail and extortion.

What is going on here is much different than NDA that related to unwanted sexual advances or sexual assault.   This isn't extortion since those actions on the part of the perpetrator are illegal or would lead to employer sanctions.   E.g. The agreement O'Reilly made.  

I know most here don't care about any of this as long as it makes life difficult for Trump,  but Daniels is also a major scumbag.   Most likely she had sex with Trump just so she could use this against him for financial gain.

 

The crime is that since Trump paid Stormy Daniels off during the 2016 campaign, if the money he used was campaign funds, he has committed a crime, because that money was not reported. A crime as in high crimes and misdemeanors.  If he used his own money to pay her off, she is just a distraction. If she violated an NDA, this is a civil matter, but it could be that since she has drifted through life on her smile and her t*ts that she thinks she can persuade a judge and jury in a civil trial using the same assets. If this 60 year old woman was on any such civil jury I think she would find otherwise.

I am no fan of Trump, but I think even his supporters realized he was a horn dog (two words?) and serial adulterer when they voted for him. They already had the Access Hollywood tapes with  him bragging about sexual assault. It made no difference to them. Unless Trump is proven to have committed a crime in the cover up of a consensual act with a woman that looks like she is just up his alley, this will be just another bump in the road for him.  And yes, Stormy and Donald J. Trump appear to be two peas in a pod - two who deserve one another.

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1 hour ago, calvinnme said:

The crime is that since Trump paid Stormy Daniels off during the 2016 campaign, if the money he used was campaign funds, he has committed a crime, because that money was not reported. A crime as in high crimes and misdemeanors.  If he used his own money to pay her off, she is just a distraction.

I thought it was established that the pay-off came from Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, mortgaging his house. Would that still violate campaign law?

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4 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

I thought it was established that the pay-off came from Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, mortgaging his house. Would that still violate campaign law?

I would think not. But why would a lawyer mortgage his own house to make a pay-off on behalf of a client when that client is a billionaire? Seems like an awfully fishy story to me. Maybe Trump just reimbursed him and made that payment look like he was paying an attorney fee. Hiding bad behavior from the public prior to an election is not in itself criminal.

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10 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

I thought it was established that the pay-off came from Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, mortgaging his house. Would that still violate campaign law?

Yes because his only possible plausible motive was to silence her before the election.  And if Trump knew about it he was in on the campaign fraud too.

Trump would have a hard time leaning on personal privacy given that he advocated for total disclosure during the election and brought forward women to accuse Bill Clinton and Hillary time and time again.

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2 minutes ago, calvinnme said:

I would think not. But why would a lawyer mortgage his own house to make a pay-off on behalf of a client when that client is a billionaire? Seems like an awfully fishy story to me. Maybe Trump just reimbursed him and made that payment look like he was paying an attorney fee. Hiding bad behavior from the public prior to an election is not in itself criminal.

Why would Cohen risk his own home for his client? Have you seen any interviews with Cohen? He's an idiot. And he's also greedy, and thinks sucking up to and covering for Trump will have bigger pay-offs down the road, when people like Trump usually leave people like Cohen broken and used up.

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2 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

Yes because his only possible plausible motive was to silence her before the election.  And if Trump knew about it he was in on the campaign fraud too.

Trump would have a hard time leaning on personal privacy given that he advocated for total disclosure during the election and brought forward women to accuse Bill Clinton and Hillary time and time again.

What's the crime, though? Calvinnme says that covering up immoral but not illegal behavior is not a crime, and if campaign funds weren't used, what's the violation?

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4 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

Why would Cohen risk his own home for his client? Have you seen any interviews with Cohen? He's an idiot. And he's also greedy, and thinks sucking up to and covering for Trump will have bigger pay-offs down the road, when people like Trump usually leave people like Cohen broken and used up.

Yes,  Donald J. Trump does seem to leave a trail of broken sycophants in his wake. For that matter he leaves a trail of broken people who got in his way in his wake. I just don't get why such a vile person is the darling of the evangelicals. I'm a Christian and I despise his behavior.

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3 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

What's the crime, though? Calvinnme says that covering up immoral but not illegal behavior is not a crime, and if campaign funds weren't used, what's the violation?

It's a $130,000 donation to Trump's campaign no matter how you look at it.  Of course, the lawyers will argue that back and forth but the timing looks very bad for Cohen.

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4 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

It's a $130,000 donation to Trump's campaign no matter how you look at it.  Of course, the lawyers will argue that back and forth but the timing looks very bad for Cohen.

Oh, okay, Cohen funneled the money through the campaign coffers? That makes it a crime, then. What a maroon.

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Just now, LawrenceA said:

Oh, okay, Cohen funneled the money through the campaign coffers? That makes it a crime, then. What a maroon.

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No, I'm not saying that.  Where the money came from is not that material.  It was meant as a campaign contribution and grossly exceeded the limit without disclosure.  That's what I've been hearing on the telly.

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4 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

It's a $130,000 donation to Trump's campaign no matter how you look at it.  Of course, the lawyers will argue that back and forth but the timing looks very bad for Cohen.

Believe me, I hope you are right, but is paying hush money to someone, even if it ultimately comes from your own pocket, considered a campaign contribution? Is the fact that the payoff came from the lawyer make it a campaign contribution? Has this been established in previous court cases? And one more thing that I worry about. The Eve Harrington who is waiting in the wings when they take Trump away in handcuffs - Mike Pence.  He is a true politician who is ready to join church  and state - and I mean HIS church and state - and he has none of the vices that Trump has.

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2 hours ago, calvinnme said:

The crime is that since Trump paid Stormy Daniels off during the 2016 campaign, if the money he used was campaign funds, he has committed a crime, because that money was not reported. A crime as in high crimes and misdemeanors.  If he used his own money to pay her off, she is just a distraction. If she violated an NDA, this is a civil matter, but it could be that since she has drifted through life on her smile and her t*ts that she thinks she can persuade a judge and jury in a civil trial using the same assets. If this 60 year old woman was on any such civil jury I think she would find otherwise.

I am no fan of Trump, but I think even his supporters realized he was a horn dog (two words?) and serial adulterer when they voted for him. They already had the Access Hollywood tapes with  him bragging about sexual assault. It made no difference to them. Unless Trump is proven to have committed a crime in the cover up of a consensual act with a woman that looks like she is just up his alley, this will be just another bump in the road for him.  And yes, Stormy and Donald J. Trump appear to be two peas in a pod - two who deserve one another.

Even the women attorney (who is very anti-Trump) on CNN last night stated that using campaign funds might not be a crime since it can be said that doing so was to protect his family.  But she also said that if there were multiple incidences that would cross a line.

Anyhow,  I never said Trump didn't commit crimes.   But CNN's coverage of this is 90% about sex.  It is all, sex, sex, sex.  E.g. there first shot was of Daniels taking the lie detector test.   With those large jugs on full display.   It was a hoot, or should I say ****. 

 Sorry, but a man having sex outside marriage, even a President,  doesn't interested me and I don't find it immoral, per se.  (e.g. for all we know his wife,  knows and welcomes him having sex with others).

Note that I voted for Bill Clinton knowing he was a horn dog.    To me he was a good President.

Trump is even worst than George Bush.    But having sex outside of marriage isn't relevant even if campaign funds were used,  anymore than Bill lying under oath.     So to me I see some liberal hypocrisy here.  

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