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Okay, I know that somebody is thinking it, so I'll suggest it. How about a truthful biopic about Marion Mitchell Morrison aka John Wayne. A movie about the man behind (or inside) the actor.
A truthful biopic that would make me reconsider this "chicken-hawk" patriot that I used to idolize as a child.
But again, who could "play" him.

Perhaps, like Gandhi they could find a very talented "unknown" Ben Kingsley "type" that looked and could "act" enough like him to fit the bill.  It could either be a career "defining" or "breaking" role of a lifetime.

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It seems a much more difficult task to make a biopic about a performer of the modern era, since enough footage of the actual person is still out there with which to compare to the performance of them. I would imagine it would be less so when it's a historical figure that the audience doesn't already have a definitive image of in their memory. Trying to play John Wayne or Robert Mitchum or Montgomery Clift, or any other singer, actor or political figure of modern times would be a task open to much criticism.

I know there are high-profile biopics coming out later this year on Neil Armstrong (played by Ryan Gosling) and Freddie Mercury (played by Rami Malek). 

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37 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

It seems a much more difficult task to make a biopic about a performer of the modern era, since enough footage of the actual person is still out there with which to compare to the performance of them. I would imagine it would be less so when it's a historical figure that the audience doesn't already have a definitive image of in their memory. Trying to play John Wayne or Robert Mitchum or Montgomery Clift, or any other singer, actor or political figure of modern times would be a task open to much criticism.

I know there are high-profile biopics coming out later this year on Neil Armstrong (played by Ryan Gosling) and Freddie Mercury (played by Rami Malek). 

So very true.
That is why I refrained from watching biopics of actors that I had seen many times on screen. I was too hyper critical to appreciate their efforts.
I must be mellowing with age as with the Errol Flynn biopics I have recently allowed myself to watch I found myself both appreciating and enjoying the work presented. Still critical when it comes to errors of known fact, but no longer so hyper critical of the actor's performance.
That said, I have enjoyed the portrayals of recent historical persons that I have known of, seen, but not been over saturated by. Like in Apollo 13, and others.

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5 hours ago, Vautrin said:

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Louis-Ferdinand Celine, the 20th century French novelist. Since Celine had a rather

active non-literary life one wouldn't be stuck with some guy sitting at a desk, schmoozing

in the local cafe, and arguing with his publisher. OTOH, they might mess up the biopic, which

would be a shame.

I've always wanted to see Voltaire, an early 1930s pic starring George Arliss as the title character,

but it's very hard to find. 

I can see where Celine would appeal to you.

It seems as though in the last 25 or 30 years he's had of Rehabilitation in French literature.

In the late 90s Fabrice Luchini fashioned a one man show around a lot of Celine's works. And when I saw this show I was surprised and yet same time people were saying they were at this time ready to readmit Celine into the respectability of authors.

But he's never left the literary textbook cannons, yet he's considered to be so controversial that some of his Publications have been canceled.

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5 hours ago, Stephan55 said:

Ah yes, the great George Arliss (1868-1946).
From throughout the British Empire to the U.S., a well traveled actor, author, playwright, and filmmaker. Married once at the age of 31, and remained so from 1899-1946.
Now that would be a very interesting biopic I'd like to see.
George was master at playing many famous others (both on stage and screen) i.e. Benjamin Disraeli (twice, in 1921 & again in 1929), Alexander Hamilton, Voltaire, Arthur Wellesley (aka the 1st Duke of Wellington), Mayer & Nathan Rothschild, Cardinal Richelieu, ...

I've recorded several of his films from TCM over the years but am still looking for others.
Of his biopics I've recorded Disraeli (1929), Alexander Hamilton (1931), Voltaire (1933), and The House of Rothschild (1934). Still hoping TCM will broadcast The Iron Duke (1934) and Cardinal Richelieu (1935) (both of which TCM has never shown, but are currently available from Amazon, if it comes down to that).
But can't find Voltaire (1933) anywhere? Fortunately I do have a DVR from a TCM broadcast back in 7/14/2012 (TCM's last broadcast). According to MCOH's TCM Schedules Summary, it was shown in July 2010 before that, for a total of seven broadcasts since 1994.
TCM does occasionally air an Arliss classic every now and then, so Voltaire (and the others) may yet see the light of day one more time? However, if you have exhausted every other avenue and would rather not wait for a "maybe," then shoot me a PM... I'll dig my copy out from storage for you.  ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Arliss

http://moviecollector.us/reports/TCM_SCHEDULES_SUMMARY_alpha.htm
MovieCollectorOH statistical reports on TCM broadcasts
http://moviecollector.us/reports.htm

It was probably on at some inopportune time for me. Maybe it will show up on

YT one of these days. I've always been curious to see how accurate it is and

how much if the usually Hollywood make believe history.

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18 hours ago, Princess of Tap said:

I can see where Celine would appeal to you.

It seems as though in the last 25 or 30 years he's had of Rehabilitation in French literature.

In the late 90s Fabrice Luchini fashioned a one man show around a lot of Celine's works. And when I saw this show I was surprised and yet same time people were saying they were at this time ready to readmit Celine into the respectability of authors.

But he's never left the literary textbook cannons, yet he's considered to be so controversial that some of his Publications have been canceled.

Wonderful and unique style with a satirical and black humorish bent...Of course he was in a

bad place after WWII, due to his collaboration with the Germans and his prior anti-Semitic

writings...but he has been recognized as a great writer, whatever his political sins...Celine

died around the same time as Hemingway, so his death did not warrant much attention here

...though I doubt it would have been given much attention even without the Hemingway

coincidence.

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so celine gets a pass despite collaborating with the nazis and anti-semitism?

:lol:

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4 hours ago, NipkowDisc said:

so celine gets a pass despite collaborating with the nazis and anti-semitism?

:lol:

Not a pass, just a recognition that a great writer can have flaws that do not

diminish his talent. Just as Balzac was a conservative monarchist and Orwell a

socialist snitch.

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15 minutes ago, Vautrin said:

Not a pass, just a recognition that a great writer can have flaws that do not

diminish his talent.

This. Art =/= the artist.

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1 hour ago, SunAndMoon said:

This. Art =/= the artist.

True. No doubt there are some actors and directors whose political views or

personal lives people would find disagreeable, but that doesn't change the

fact that they are talented and entertaining. I never thought much of Frank

Sinatra as a person, but I admire his singing and acting abilities. 

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I heard that Michael J. Fox was a huge fan of James Cagney, and actually did want to portray him in a biopic. This was before Fox was stricken with Parkinson's.

I appreciate that Fox was a great admirer of Cagney, but being a big fan doesn't necessarily mean you're the right person to do the part justice. I just don't feel he would have been the right man to play Jimmy.

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6 hours ago, Vautrin said:

Not a pass, just a recognition that a great writer can have flaws that do not

diminish his talent. Just as Balzac was a conservative monarchist and Orwell a

socialist snitch.

 

 

9 hours ago, NipkowDisc said:

so celine gets a pass despite collaborating with the nazis and anti-semitism?

:lol:

 Great talent in art is always recognized, even though the artist himself or herself may be flawed.

  Now the Israeli Philharmonic even plays Wagner in Tel Aviv.

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I'd like to see a biopic about "Wasp Woman" star Susan Cabot.  Long after her career in films had faded, she was killed by her son, who might have been the product of an affair arranged by the CIA with King Hussein of Jordan.  The boy, born a dwarf, had been treated with hormones from cadavers for his affliction.  I had read, just around the release of the film "Grindhouse", that Rose McGowan was going to bring the story to the screen.  I don't think it materialized, and now McGowan seems to have left her acting career behind her.  Perhaps the story is too dark and unpleasant for a big screen treatment, but I continue to hope.

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On 4/13/2018 at 7:04 PM, LawrenceA said:

It seems a much more difficult task to make a biopic about a performer of the modern era, since enough footage of the actual person is still out there with which to compare to the performance of them. I would imagine it would be less so when it's a historical figure that the audience doesn't already have a definitive image of in their memory. Trying to play John Wayne or Robert Mitchum or Montgomery Clift, or any other singer, actor or political figure of modern times would be a task open to much criticism.

I know there are high-profile biopics coming out later this year on Neil Armstrong (played by Ryan Gosling) and Freddie Mercury (played by Rami Malek). 

Yep, almost without exception, I'd say you(and Stephan earlier) are right here, Lawrence.

And, I would say regarding this sort of thing that the most successful attempt by a modern screen actor portraying a well-known screen actor of an earlier age was probably done by one whose name has been mentioned earlier in this thread...

 

MPW-40022

(...at least I can't recall anyone ever doing a better job at this sort'a thing, anyway)

 

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10 minutes ago, Dargo said:

I would say regarding this sort of thing that the most successful attempt by a modern screen actor playing a well-known screen actor of an earlier age was done by one whose name has been earlier mentioned in this thread...

MPW-40022

(...at least I can't recall anyone ever doing a better job at this sort'a thing, anyway)

 

Are we forgetting Peter O'Toole as Alan Swann in "My Favorite Year"?

Image result for peter o'toole my favorite year gif

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4 minutes ago, jakeem said:

Are we forgetting Peter O'Toole as Alan Swann in "My Favorite Year"?

Image result for peter o'toole my favorite year gif

Love the movie AND Peter O'Toole here, jakeem. And yes, I still think it one of his greatest performances.

However, let's remember here that Peter was playing a stylized version Errol named Alan Swann.

(...and so this really couldn't be considered a "biopic" per se, now could it)

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Just now, Dargo said:

Love the movie AND Peter O'Toole here, jakeem. And yes, I still think it one of his greatest performances.

However, let's remember here that Peter was playing a stylized version Errol named Alan Swann.

(...and so this really couldn't be considered a "biopic" per se, now could it)

I've always taken the "Dragnet" approach: The names were changed to protect the innocent.

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I don't recall My Favorite Year having the cheap, tacky moralizing that Dragnet did. ;)

 

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