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16 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

Someone on CNN tonight rattled off a list of examples where attorneys were brought in for questioning witnesses in Congress including Bobby Kennedy.

I stand corrected. That's the problem with getting info from internet or talking heads on TV shows.

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19 hours ago, LawrenceA said:

I think one thing we've learned from this presidency is how many things that were left as understandings, but not actually spelled out in law, need to be set in stone. There is a need for clearly drawn lines in regards to ethics and legalities, as so many steps have been taken that weren't even considered before, as people assumed that no one would ever stoop to such things, be it various conflicts-of-interest issues (foreign governments paying for use of Trump's private businesses while also seeking government favor), hampering government function via appointment of "acting" directors rather than permanent ones or just leaving positions empty, instructing functionaries to ignore congressional oversight, etc. The list is a mile long. And to dismiss it all because "Mueller found no Russian collusion" is ridiculous, yet it seems to have convinced some people.

Good idea, but considering how many laws we already have and how lengthy most of them are, it would be a daunting task to write, much less get passed and signed.  It would also lead to court cases of how many restrictions can Congress place on the Executive Branch.

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Ex-DOJ prosecutors: Trump would have been charged with obstruction if he wasn't president

"Nearly 400 federal prosecutors on Monday said they believe President Donald Trump would have been charged with obstruction of justice if not for a longstanding Justice Department policy barring the indictment of a sitting president.

In a letter posted online, 370 DOJ alumni with up to four decades of service with the department wrote that special counsel Robert Mueller’s report — a redacted version of which was publicly released last month ...

The attorneys said Monday that “the Mueller report describes several acts that satisfy all of the elements for an obstruction charge: conduct that obstructed or attempted to obstruct the truth-finding process, as to which the evidence of corrupt intent and connection to pending proceedings is overwhelming.”

“We believe strongly that, but for the OLC memo, the overwhelming weight of professional judgment would come down in favor of prosecution

— formed a case for obstruction against the president for which there is “overwhelming” evidence"......

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/06/former-doj-prosecutors-trump-obstruction-1305776

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2 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Ex-DOJ prosecutors: Trump would have been charged with obstruction if he wasn't president

"Nearly 400 federal prosecutors on Monday said they believe President Donald Trump would have been charged with obstruction of justice if not for a longstanding Justice Department policy barring the indictment of a sitting president.

In a letter posted online, 370 DOJ alumni with up to four decades of service with the department wrote that special counsel Robert Mueller’s report — a redacted version of which was publicly released last month ...

The attorneys said Monday that “the Mueller report describes several acts that satisfy all of the elements for an obstruction charge: conduct that obstructed or attempted to obstruct the truth-finding process, as to which the evidence of corrupt intent and connection to pending proceedings is overwhelming.”

“We believe strongly that, but for the OLC memo, the overwhelming weight of professional judgment would come down in favor of prosecution

— formed a case for obstruction against the president for which there is “overwhelming” evidence"......

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/06/former-doj-prosecutors-trump-obstruction-1305776

Hasn't this been the overall understanding since Nixon?   

Again,  up to the Congress.   

So this is just another learn-nothings \ says-nothing-new post.

Trump obstructed; DUH!!!!     But since enough GOP Senators will not act on this,  Trump will remain in office.

 

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Kyle GriffinVerified account @kylegriffin1

 

More stonewalling: The White House will instruct former White House counsel Don McGahn not to comply with a subpoena from House Democrats for documents related to Mueller's investigation, Sarah Sanders tells ABC News.

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Adam SchiffVerified account @RepAdamSchiff 4h4 hours ago

 
 

Executive privilege can’t be used to hide illegal conduct. The President and his lawyers know that.

This is a desperate attempt to rewrite the rules, continue stonewalling Congress, and try to hide the President’s unethical conduct from the American people.

It won’t work.

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3 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Kyle GriffinVerified account @kylegriffin1

 

More stonewalling: The White House will instruct former White House counsel Don McGahn not to comply with a subpoena from House Democrats for documents related to Mueller's investigation, Sarah Sanders tells ABC News.

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Adam SchiffVerified account @RepAdamSchiff 4h4 hours ago

 
 

Executive privilege can’t be used to hide illegal conduct. The President and his lawyers know that.

This is a desperate attempt to rewrite the rules, continue stonewalling Congress, and try to hide the President’s unethical conduct from the American people.

It won’t work.

As a delay tacit it will work until Trump is re-elected.    The best hope for Dems is to get to over 60 Senate seats so an impeachment in 2021 will throw the bump out of office.    But the odds are NOT in the Dems favor:

There are 34 seats up in 2020 - including a special election in Arizona - of which 22 are held by the GOP. Democrats will need to gain 3 or 4 seats to take control. 
 

 

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CBS NewsVerified account @CBSNews

 

The DOJ warned it will ask the president to invoke executive privilege over the entire Mueller report

if the House Judiciary Committee does not cancel a planned vote to hold AG William Barr in contempt https://cbsn.ws/2J5vEvb 

:blink:

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Ted LieuVerified account @tedlieu 7h7 hours ago

 

Dear @TheJusticeDept Bill Barr: Your legal argument is stupid.

Also, you don't work for a King.

You took an oath to the Constitution, remember?

We on the @HouseJudiciary Committee will vote to hold you in contempt because we intend to honor our oath.

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Justin AmashVerified account @justinamash 2h2 hours ago

 
 

Here are my principal conclusions:

1. Attorney General Barr has deliberately misrepresented Mueller’s report.

2. President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct.

3. Partisanship has eroded our system of checks and balances.

4. Few members of Congress have read the report.

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18 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Justin AmashVerified account @justinamash 2h2 hours ago

 
 

Here are my principal conclusions:

1. Attorney General Barr has deliberately misrepresented Mueller’s report.

2. President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct.

3. Partisanship has eroded our system of checks and balances.

4. Few members of Congress have read the report.

Justin Amash is a Libertarian Republican who has received hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from the Club For Growth.  He is pro-life and firm believer in very limited government regulation of businesses and commercial activities, to include severe EPA limitations on regulating greenhouse gases and similar.  He opposed federal aid to Flint MI for its water crisis.  He is opposed to the size of defense spending and the military actions the US is involved in.  He is opposed to gerrymandering.  He has opposed Trump since he announced his run for president.  He is firmly in favor of very limited government.

He is the only GOPer in House or Senate to endorse impeachment of Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Amash 

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2 hours ago, TheCid said:

Justin Amash is a Libertarian Republican who has received hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from the Club For Growth.  He is pro-life and firm believer in very limited government regulation of businesses and commercial activities, to include severe EPA limitations on regulating greenhouse gases and similar.  He opposed federal aid to Flint MI for its water crisis.  He is opposed to the size of defense spending and the military actions the US is involved in.  He is opposed to gerrymandering.  He has opposed Trump since he announced his run for president.  He is firmly in favor of very limited government.

He is the only GOPer in House or Senate to endorse impeachment of Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Amash 

He READ the Mueller Report, and sees that Mueller laid out a roadmap for Congress to impeach.  As long as he supports this, his other views and votes are insignificant, paling in comparison to the ongoing damage Trump is doing in all areas of our democracy and the world.

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3 hours ago, Arturo said:

He READ the Mueller Report, and sees that Mueller laid out a roadmap for Congress to impeach.  As long as he supports this, his other views and votes are insignificant, paling in comparison to the ongoing damage Trump is doing in all areas of our democracy and the world.

Amash is the only GOPer in House or Senate to endorse impeachment of Trump.  How many Dems in House and in Senate have called for impeachment?

Mueller did not "lay out a road map to impeach."  If so, he would have said that he believes Donald Trump should be impeached and tried, but it is up to Congress to make that determination.  These are the specific reasons.  Then we would not be having this discussion.

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17 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Philip RuckerVerified account @PhilipRucker

 

House Judiciary Chairman Nadler tells @maddow that Robert Mueller wants to testify but only in private with a transcript released to the public.

Nadler says Mueller doesn’t want to participate in a televised open hearing that could be a spectacle.

:unsure:

I can go along with that.

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Laurence TribeVerified account @tribelaw 5h5 hours ago

 

Mueller said: READ MY REPORT.

It says I COULDN’T indict a sitting president.

If my office could’ve concluded he was innocent of collusion or obstruction, we would’ve.

We couldn’t so we didn’t.

 

Only Congress can hold him accountable.

The ball is in their court now.

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1 minute ago, mr6666 said:

Laurence TribeVerified account @tribelaw 5h5 hours ago

 

Mueller said: READ MY REPORT.

It says I COULDN’T indict a sitting president.

If my office could’ve concluded he was innocent of collusion or obstruction, we would’ve.

We couldn’t so we didn’t.

 

Only Congress can hold him accountable.

The ball is in their court now.

-_-

Rob ReinerVerified account @robreiner 5h5 hours ago

 

The President of the United States obstructed Justice.

Now it’s up to Congress to do its job.

#ImpeachTrump

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Fact-checking Trump's flurry of lies and falsehoods

Legal constraints on Mueller

 
In a tweet, Trump said, "Robert Mueller would have brought charges, if he had ANYTHING, but there were no charges to bring!"
 
.....Facts First: This is the opposite of the truth. Mueller's hands were tied by longstanding Justice Department guidelines that a sitting President can't be indicted. In his public comments this week, Mueller specifically said charging Trump was "not an option we could consider."
 
Mueller made it clear in his public comments on Wednesday that the guidelines had a significant influence on the investigation, tying his hands from the very start from even considering whether a crime had been committed. Trump is therefore creating a false narrative by asserting that Mueller "would have brought charges" if there was evidence Trump broke the law.
 
In fact, Mueller's report presented substantial evidence that Trump obstructed justice on a few fronts. But Mueller didn't offer a conclusion on whether Trump should be prosecuted, because he was bound by Justice Department guidelines that stopped him.......
 

Concerns about Russian meddling

 
In a tweet, Trump said "Russia has disappeared" from the public debate because the Mueller investigation did not establish a conspiracy of collusion between Trump's campaign and Russia.
 
Facts First: The topic of Russian interference is still at the forefront of national politics.
 
Mueller zeroed in on Russian meddling during his public comments, solemnly saying, "I will close by reiterating the central allegation of our indictments, that there were multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election. And that allegation deserves the attention of every American.".....

Mueller's findings on obstruction

 
In a tweet, Trump said, "Mueller didn't find Obstruction either."
 
Facts First: This is patently false. Mueller did uncover substantial evidence of obstruction by Trump and the report detailed how Trump's actions crossed the legal threshold on several key episodes. But Mueller said he was prohibited from recommending criminal charges and struggled with "difficult issues" of investigating a sitting President. Instead, he alluded to Congress' role in holding a president accountable....
Mueller was crystal clear in his public comments Wednesday that he was not clearing Trump of obstruction. He implicitly rebuked Barr's finding of "no obstruction" by stating, "If we had had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

Mueller's perceived conflicts

....Facts First: Mueller did not have conflicts of interest, and Trump knows it. The Justice Department cleared Mueller of any conflicts when he took the job in 2017. Trump's top aides told him that these perceived conflicts were "ridiculous" and were not considered true conflicts.
 
Trump's claim that Mueller aggressively sought the FBI job is contradicted by Bannon's testimony to investigators....
 
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1 hour ago, mr6666 said:

PBS NewsHourVerified account @NewsHour

 

Former special counsel Robert Mueller's main point last week? His report speaks for itself.

But the dense report is 448 pages long, and you may not have time to read it.

@WmBrangham and @LisaDNews are your guides through key parts of the report, starting tonight.

Inside the Mueller report, a sophisticated Russian interference campaign

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/inside-the-mueller-report-a-sophisticated-russian-interference-campaign?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_term=20190604&utm_content=2382391507&utm_campaign=Frontline&linkId=68563971

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Ryan GoodmanVerified account @rgoodlaw

I put lots of research into this👇

The results are damning for how A.G. Barr has handled the #MuellerReport, the closer you look at what Mueller said in his press statement.

So…I created a Chart.

"Side-by-Side Comparison of Barr vs. Mueller Statements"

https://www.justsecurity.org/64441/a-side-by-side-comparison-of-barrs-vs-muellers-statements-about-special-counsel-report/

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Justin AmashVerified account @justinamash 2h2 hours ago

 

As you can see from the attached tweet, I initially fell for Attorney General Barr’s March 24 letter of principal conclusions—but then I read Mueller’s report.......

When Barr’s letter came out, the White House abruptly changed its tone. Trump said “the Mueller report was great” and that Mueller had acted honorably, and he touted the report as a “total exoneration.”

Kellyanne Conway referred to the investigation as “the gold standard.” ........

 
 

But, as we later found out, Mueller’s report is damning for the president. If Barr’s letter had accurately reflected the report, the White House would not have reacted positively.......

 

The president and his allies are instead trying to excuse Trump’s efforts to obstruct the entire investigation into Russian election interference by alleging problems with elements of it

and claiming, without basis, that they undermine Mueller’s obstruction analysis.

see: https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1137094448536596480

 

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