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Beyond Flint-

Contaminated drinking water is everywhere in America

Agricultural runoff is poorly regulated and turning many waterways across the country into dangerous cesspools

"The water crisis in Flint, Michigan, became a national news story, and for good reason. Republican leaders in the state were finally forced to take steps to stop the poisoning of Flint's drinking water with lead and other toxins, foisted on the community as part of a short-sighted cost-cutting measure. Despite improvements, the future of Flint's water supply is uncertain, but at least that story has brought increased attention to the problem of lead in water in many large cities, including Chicago.

The grim reality, however, is that the problems with American drinking water are diverse and widespread,.......

https://www.salon.com/2018/05/16/beyond-the-flint-tragedy-contaminated-drinking-water-is-all-over-america/

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7 Reasons We're Facing a Global Water Crisis

Droughts in Somalia. Water rationing in Rome. Flooding in Jakarta and Harvey-battered Houston. It doesn't take a hydrologist to realize that there is a growing global water crisis. Each August, water experts, industry innovators, and researchers gather........ to tackle the planet's most pressing water issues. ....

1) We're Changing the Climate, Making Dry Areas Drier and Precipitation More Variable and Extreme.

2) More People + More Money = More Water Demand.

3) Groundwater Is Being Depleted.

4) Water Infrastructure Is in a Dismal State of Disrepair.

5) And Natural Infrastructure Is Being Ignored.

6) Water Is Wasted.

7) The Price Is Wrong.

 

see:http://www.wri.org/blog/2017/08/7-reasons-were-facing-global-water-crisis

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World leaders sound alarm over global water crisis

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.....The report, based on two years of research, says that 700 million people are at risk of being displaced by intense water scarcity by 2030. More than two billion people are compelled to drink unsafe water, and more than 4.5 billion people do not have safely managed sanitation services.

"The ecosystems on which life itself is based – our food security, energy sustainability, public health, jobs, cities – are all at risk because of how water is managed today," World Bank Group President Jim Yong Kim said.

"The world can no longer afford to take water for granted," he said....

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/world-leaders-sound-alarm-over-global-water-crisis/

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1 hour ago, mr6666 said:

7 Reasons We're Facing a Global Water Crisis

Droughts in Somalia. Water rationing in Rome. Flooding in Jakarta and Harvey-battered Houston. It doesn't take a hydrologist to realize that there is a growing global water crisis. Each August, water experts, industry innovators, and researchers gather........ to tackle the planet's most pressing water issues. ....

 

4) Water Infrastructure Is in a Dismal State of Disrepair.

5) And Natural Infrastructure Is Being Ignored.

6) Water Is Wasted.

 

 

see:http://www.wri.org/blog/2017/08/7-reasons-were-facing-global-water-crisis

My area has the same problem, 100 year old (approx) water mains that constantly breaks.  It is riddled with patch work repairs but we need a new system but one problem...no funds.

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Nation wide this alone will cost over a trillion dollars!

Dated 2012 but haven't changed.

Water Pipe Study: United States Needs $1 Trillion For Drinking Water Lines Over Next 25 Years

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/water-pipe-study-systems_n_1307715.html

Other than outdated pipes, we're lucky to have a river tributary source for drinking water that only needs basic filtering / chlorination. I never buy bottled water, can safely drink it from the tap. My monthly bill is around $54.00

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From Pittsburgh to Flint, the Dire Consequences of Giving Private Companies Responsibility for Ailing Public Water Systems

"The lead crises in Flint and Pittsburgh have many unfortunate parallels. Residents of both cities unknowingly drank water with high levels of the potent neurotoxin, which has long-term health consequences. The rise in lead levels was preceded in both cases by a miscalculation related to chemicals used to control corrosion in water pipes. And in both places, officials have faced criticism for their inaction and failure to alert the public.

The two lead crises have another important thing in common: a private water company named Veolia. The world’s largest supplier of water services, Veolia had contracts with both Flint and Pittsburgh around the time that lead levels rose in their drinking water.....

“We used money we should have been using to address the water problem to address other problems. It’s neglect.” Still, she added, Veolia “caused more hell and made the problem worse by 100 percent.” .........

“This was such a gross mess-up,” said Noah Hall, special assistant attorney general for Michigan and one of the attorneys who filed the suit against the company. “It wasn’t, ‘Oh, the engineers missed something,’” said Hall. “They essentially walked into a building that was collapsing and said, ‘It looks good to me!’” .........

On average, privately owned water systems charge 59 percent more than publicly owned water utilities, according to a 2016 report by Food and Water Watch ......

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/20/pittsburgh-flint-veolia-privatization-public-water-systems-lead/

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Cape Town’s crisis shows us the real cost of water

"............The city authorities have known that the city and its agriculture were drawing more water from reservoirs than is being replenished. And this has only got worse since the drought hit in 2015. But drought and bad planning are only partly to blame. There is a deeper issue at work: the cost of water is invisible. Nowhere is its cost fully accounted for, not even in agriculture.

The lack of accounting for the cost of water in agriculture is not unique to South Africa. It is a global crisis, and Cape Town is not the first red flag. California’s recent water crisis prompted mandatory water restrictions in urban areas, but not for agriculture – even though California farms use 80% of the state’s surface water. Similarly, when São Paulo, Brazil, recently tapped out the water supply for its 20 million residents, 59% of the state’s water continued to flow to agriculture and industry.

The world faces a looming water disaster, one that could dry out our food systems. Even as climate change disrupts rainfall patterns, global water demand is projected to increase by 55% by 2050.....

https://europeansting.com/2018/05/20/cape-towns-crisis-shows-us-the-real-cost-of-water/

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Up here, it's a right.

Down in the U.S.A., I'm not sure.

I think I read something about Nestles trying to buy up all the rights to fresh water.

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Who owns America's water?

Not you. Not if you're an average American citizen.

........"These are not isolated incidents, the Flints and the Corpus Christis," said Manuel Teodoro, a Texas A & M University researcher and co-author of a report on the disproportionate effect of bad water quality on poor and minority communities. "Data suggests that problems with drinking water are not just randomly distributed among the population," he told the Texas Tribune, "There is systematic bias out there."

 

The story of water in the US is the quintessential American story of wealth, class, race and privatisation of national resources running roughshod over human rights and equality. It is a story largely hidden from the American public. ,,,,,

only two hours away in Evart - small town America, with clean streams and an untainted aquifer - the corporate multinational, Nestle, was pumping the equivalent of 100,000 times an average Michigan resident's water use into plastic bottles for sale at $1 a bottle across the American Midwest.

In return, Nestle paid the state of Michigan $200 annually

- an amount equal to the quaterly water bill of an average Flint resident, who is charged at one of the highest rates for tap water in the US.

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In 2016, Nestle saw sales of $7.4bn from bottled water. Not surprisingly, the company decided it wanted to pump, bottle and sell even more of Michigan's water, requesting permission for a 60 percent increase. Their application was approved.

This stand in stark contrast to the verdict in a class action suit filed by Flint residents - a legal action intended to secure community rights to affordable water.

After losing in a lower court and appealing, federal court judges ruled against the action, stating: "A right of this nature is not rooted in our nation's traditions". :blink:

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/owns-america-water-180607123435697.html

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what happened to "LIFE, liberty & pursuit of......"??

 

 

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Kentucky take note this article is dated Feb 12, 2018

The water runs milky and can feel like fire. In this impoverished county, Trump’s $1.5 trillion infrastructure plan may not help

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-kentucky-water-20180212-story.html

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Joe Hammond, the water district's business manager, said he and his family had experienced no problems with the tap water. "We do drink it, most definitely," he said. "We cook with it, eat with it, bathe with it."

What about residents who complained of rashes and irritable skin?

"Maybe they should use lotion?" he suggested.

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The Military Drinking-Water Crisis the White House Tried to Hide

A new, previously suppressed report has grave implications for service members, veterans, and their families.

The Trump administration feared it would be a “public relations nightmare”: a major federal study that concluded contaminated groundwater across the country, especially near military bases, was more toxic than the government realized. Political aides to President Donald Trump and Environmental Protection Agency head Scott Pruitt pressured the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry against releasing the results.

“The public, media, and Congressional reaction to these numbers is going to be huge,” an unidentified White House aide wrote, according to Politico. “The impact to EPA and [the Defense Department] is going to be extremely painful. We cannot seem to get ATSDR to realize the potential public relations nightmare this is going to be.” The study was not released.

That is, until Wednesday....

https://newrepublic.com/article/149280/military-drinking-water-crisis-white-house-tried-hide

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On ‎5‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 1:42 AM, mr6666 said:

7 Reasons We're Facing a Global Water Crisis

Droughts in Somalia. Water rationing in Rome. Flooding in Jakarta and Harvey-battered Houston. It doesn't take a hydrologist to realize that there is a growing global water crisis. Each August, water experts, industry innovators, and researchers gather........ to tackle the planet's most pressing water issues. ....

1) We're Changing the Climate, Making Dry Areas Drier and Precipitation More Variable and Extreme.

2) More People + More Money = More Water Demand.

3) Groundwater Is Being Depleted.

4) Water Infrastructure Is in a Dismal State of Disrepair.

5) And Natural Infrastructure Is Being Ignored.

6) Water Is Wasted.

7) The Price Is Wrong.

 

see:http://www.wri.org/blog/2017/08/7-reasons-were-facing-global-water-crisis

bingo with number 4. probably alotta infrastructure deteriorization with our artesian wells.

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Europe's water lobby: Q&A with filmmaker Yorgos Avgeropoulos

Water is the most important issue of our time, and also an issue of democracy,

"Being able to turn the tap on in our homes and have water running is what helped our civilisation take off," says the award-winning documentary maker and journalist. "This is the big difference compared to the 19th century and before."

Still, about 30 percent of people today worldwide, or more than two billion, lack access to safe, readily available water at home. At the same time, urban demand is increasing while warnings of shortages are getting louder. As such, questions around who controls water in major cities are increasingly being asked.......

because this is about democracy and secondly because it's now clear that the European Commission, despite its rhetoric claiming neutrality on water management, is essentially pushing towards privatisation through its practices.

This is both immoral and undemocratic........

The thinking should be to treat water as a valuable natural resource and not as a commodity because then things might get very dangerous. People might have their water cut off and be left to die because they won't be able to pay for it. This can't be happening in the 21st century. It's shocking; it defies logic that someone can see water as a commodity - .........

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/europe-water-lobby-qa-filmmaker-yorgos-avgeropoulos-180530052039639.html

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When I was on city council, I was chairman of the Water & Sewer Committee.  This meant that I and two other councilmembers supervised the department head.  Primarily me though.

Now I serve on the board of the local water authority servicing four towns and areas around them.

The cost to maintain these facilities is great, but the cost to restore them to where they should be is astronomical.  The Trump administration and the Republicans from the county to state to federal levels could care less when it comes to meaningful regulation.  With the coming changes in the federal courts and Supreme Court it will get worse, much worse.   

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Al Jazeera EnglishVerified account @AJEnglish 32m32 minutes ago

 
 

Residents of Karachi are being held hostage by a ‘mafia’ that makes millions of dollars out of their need for water.

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Parched for a price: Karachi's water crisis

 

By Asad Hashim

 

Residents of Karachi, one of the largest cities in the world, are being held hostage by a ‘mafia’ that makes millions of dollars out of their need for water.

 

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2017/parched-for-price/index.html

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Report Finds Flint Water Crisis May Have Killed 119—Nearly 10 Times Official Death Toll

The findings come as a judge delays a trial for Michigan's health chief

 

.....As "FRONTLINE" reports:

Officially, 90 people were sickened and 12 died from exposure to waterborne legionella bacteria during the 18 months that the city of Flint drew its water from the Flint River in 2014 and 2015. But FRONTLINE's investigation has found 119 deaths from pneumonia during that time, some of which scientists say could actually have been caused by legionella.

[...]

If the death toll is higher, as the records and interviews suggest, a 15-month delay by state officials in notifying the community about the legionella outbreak may have cost even more lives than the deaths state prosecutors have cited in an ongoing criminal case........

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/07/26/report-finds-flint-water-crisis-may-have-killed-119-nearly-10-times-official-death?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

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NBC NewsVerified account @NBCNews 4h4 hours ago

 
 

In Warrumbungle Shire, where sharp peaks fall away to once-fertile farmland, the small town of Coonabarabran is running out of water.

The town dam is down to just 23% capacity, forcing residents to live with strict water restrictions. https://nbcnews.to/2MuCpEU  (2/6)

 
 

As livestock starves and the soil becomes dust, Australian farmers battle a crippling drought that many locals are calling the worst since 1902. https://nbcnews.to/2ANQprE  (1/6)

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Baltimore Set to Become First Major American City to Outlaw Water Privatization

"Baltimore will be a public water hero when this legislation passes—and should act as an example for other cities."

 

Baltimore's City Council on Monday approved a charter amendment that deems the water supply and sewer systems "inalienable," and prohibits the sale or lease of the systems. ............

"Access to clean and affordable water should be looked at as a basic human right," asserted City Council President Bernard C. "Jack" Young, who waived council rules to fast-track the vote. "I have always been a proponent of retaining our city's assets, which is why I am completely opposed to the privatization of Baltimore's water system.".......

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/08/07/celebrations-baltimore-set-become-first-major-american-city-outlaw-water

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On ‎5‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 1:42 AM, mr6666 said:

7 Reasons We're Facing a Global Water Crisis

Droughts in Somalia. Water rationing in Rome. Flooding in Jakarta and Harvey-battered Houston. It doesn't take a hydrologist to realize that there is a growing global water crisis. Each August, water experts, industry innovators, and researchers gather........ to tackle the planet's most pressing water issues. ....

1) We're Changing the Climate, Making Dry Areas Drier and Precipitation More Variable and Extreme.

2) More People + More Money = More Water Demand.

3) Groundwater Is Being Depleted.

4) Water Infrastructure Is in a Dismal State of Disrepair.

5) And Natural Infrastructure Is Being Ignored.

6) Water Is Wasted.

7) The Price Is Wrong.

 

see:http://www.wri.org/blog/2017/08/7-reasons-were-facing-global-water-crisis

about number 2...

would you advocate zero population growth measures like mandatory abortions or forced sterilization?

because this is a very old chestnut with the secular left meaning they regard too many people as the problem so less people means a liberal utopia.

secular eugenics? no thanks.

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Mexico City Keeps Sinking As Its Water Supply Wastes Away

 

".....Despite the rainfall, for five months of the year, many of the metropolitan area's more than 20 million residents don't have enough water to drink. Nearly all that rainwater runs off the streets and highways into the city's massive drainage system built to stave off perennial flooding.

Drinking water increasingly comes from a vast aquifer under the metropolis. And as that water table drops, the city sinks.

So why put a capital city more than 7,000 feet above sea level, in a mountain-ringed valley, that fills like a plugged-up bathtub when it rains?

"It's a historic mistake the city has had to pay for more than 500 years,".......

"We are depleting volumes of water that took hundreds, thousands of years to store. Sooner or later it will run out," ......

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/14/647601623/mexico-city-keeps-sinking-as-its-water-supply-wastes-away?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180914

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Kentucky County Water Crisis -

" In Martin County, Ky., many residents haven't drunk water from their taps in years. The county is one of the poorest in America, and its water infrastructure is crumbling. .....

Martin County's water issues are multilayered, and it's hard to pinpoint exactly when they started. But one major event was a giant coal sludge spill back in 2000. It dumped over 300 million gallons of toxic waste with heavy metals like mercury and arsenic right into the county's water source. Thick, black sludge ran downstream for miles. Lawns were covered. Houses were destroyed. The trauma of that spill runs deep. And even 17 years later, residents still don't trust the water.

The other problem is crumbling infrastructure. The pipes that carry water throughout the county leak a lot. Treated water gets out, and groundwater gets in. .....

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/13/647559499/kentucky-county-water-crisis

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Shocking Study: 15 Million U.S. Residents Had Water Shut Off in 2016

First of its kind national survey by Food & Water Watch reveals hidden and massive water affordability crisis

WASHINGTON - As first reported today by the Associated Press*, a first-ever nationwide assessment of water shutoffs for nonpayment has revealed that households across the U.S. are facing an alarming and hidden water affordability crisis. In its new survey, “America’s Secret Water Crisis: National Shutoff Survey Reveals Water Affordability Emergency Affecting Millions,”.....

The highest shutoff rates were disproportionately in cities with more people living in poverty, more unemployment and more people of color. ......

https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2018/10/25/shocking-study-15-million-us-residents-had-water-shut-2016?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

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