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drinking water crisis- a right or commodity?

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On 9/15/2018 at 4:19 PM, mr6666 said:

Kentucky County Water Crisis -

" In Martin County, Ky., many residents haven't drunk water from their taps in years. The county is one of the poorest in America, and its water infrastructure is crumbling. .....

Martin County's water issues are multilayered, and it's hard to pinpoint exactly when they started. But one major event was a giant coal sludge spill back in 2000. It dumped over 300 million gallons of toxic waste with heavy metals like mercury and arsenic right into the county's water source. Thick, black sludge ran downstream for miles. Lawns were covered. Houses were destroyed. The trauma of that spill runs deep. And even 17 years later, residents still don't trust the water.

The other problem is crumbling infrastructure. The pipes that carry water throughout the county leak a lot. Treated water gets out, and groundwater gets in. .....

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/13/647559499/kentucky-county-water-crisis

 

1 hour ago, mr6666 said:

Shocking Study: 15 Million U.S. Residents Had Water Shut Off in 2016

First of its kind national survey by Food & Water Watch reveals hidden and massive water affordability crisis

WASHINGTON - As first reported today by the Associated Press*, a first-ever nationwide assessment of water shutoffs for nonpayment has revealed that households across the U.S. are facing an alarming and hidden water affordability crisis. In its new survey, “America’s Secret Water Crisis: National Shutoff Survey Reveals Water Affordability Emergency Affecting Millions,”.....

The highest shutoff rates were disproportionately in cities with more people living in poverty, more unemployment and more people of color. ......

https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2018/10/25/shocking-study-15-million-us-residents-had-water-shut-2016?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

These two articles share a common issue.  The costs of producing quality water is rising astronomically and this adversely affects the poorest people.

One qualifier though.  Having been on a city council and currently on a water board, many water cut-offs for non-payment are done because the tenant in a rental property moved out after not having paid last three months bills.  The landlord is not responsible for it.

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Under-Told Stories @UnderTold 1h1 hour ago

 
 

@NewsHour Tonight: we report from Makhanda, South Africa, where the taps run dry as the country faces a drought that hits underdeveloped, historically black areas the hardest.

Water distribution and new wells are only patches to a bigger, apartheid-era infrastructure problem.

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10 hours ago, hamradio said:

 

Hundreds of people woke up pink water in their taps and toilets Monday morning in Coal Grove.

Officials said there's no danger to people, but maybe for your clothes.

 

https://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Village-of-Coal-Grove-advises-residents-not-to-use-pink-water--510756501.html

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Thanks.  I am on the board for a water authority so this is interesting.  Even though we have a small plant, it is staffed and monitored 24/7.

Most people don't realize how many relatively small water authorities exist in this country.  In our case we sell water to three very small towns and some rural areas.  The towns have their own water tanks and delivery systems.

Wonder why the town is named Coal Grove.  Maybe they could change it to Coral Grove.  

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14 hours ago, mr6666 said:

NBC ChicagoVerified account @nbcchicago 2h2 hours ago

 
 

Locals demand answers on elevated lead levels found in water http://nbcchi.com/SG2UlRT 

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OK, I clicked on the link and did not see anything re: lead in water.  Have to have an account also?

Regardless, one of the primary causes of lead in water is the plumbing in the buildings themselves, not the water delivered by water systems, cities, etc.  The chief cause is copper piping which was joined with lead solder.  While not longer done, many houses over 25 years old still have the copper pipes.

In addition, the lead builds up in buildings where not much water is used, so the pipes are not "cleared" very often.

Try this link   https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/06/17/1500-homes-still-under-do-not-consume-advisory-due-to-lead-in-water-in-university-park/

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No Safe Drinking Water On Reservation Leaves Thousands Improvising

"The Warm Springs Indian Reservation in Central Oregon has been without safe drinking water all summer, and some people have no running water at all. In May, a burst pipe led to a cascade of infrastructure failures. That leaves around 4,000 people improvising for survival. ........

The list of worries goes on. Firefighters can't count on hydrants to work, Martinez said, and "the sprinkler system, the cooling systems, air-conditioning systems, the restrooms, the toilets, everything is affected by lack of water."

Meanwhile, federal agencies have been slow to commit money toward long-term solutions, though the Environmental Protection Agency is threatening to fine the Tribe nearly $60,000 a day, if it doesn't make repairs by October.......

the Oregon legislature stepped in this summer, earmarking $7.8 million in lottery bonds for water and sewer projects on the reservation. .....

Still, the state lottery bonds won't pay out until 2021, ......

Nationally, the Indian Health Service has found

Native people are nine times more likely to lack access to safe water. ...........

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/10/749154359/no-safe-drinking-water-on-reservation-leaves-thousands-improvising?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20190811

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20 hours ago, mr6666 said:
 
 
Newark officials to hand out bottled water to residents amid concern over lead in city's water supply
 

For those interested, the source of lead in drinking water is in the pipes in the individual homes, NOT in the pipes water providers use to get the water to the houses.  Although there are steps that water providers can take to diminish the lead content, there are also drawbacks to those fixes.

One simple one is for individuals to let the water run for 20 seconds before filling a glass or other container.  This flushes the lead out.

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"... the source of lead in drinking water is in the pipes in the individual homes,

NOT in the pipes water providers use to get the water to the houses. ..."

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-is this true in ALL instances??

& is from a credited source?  :unsure:

(I know you've had experience w/ subject on a local level....

so just wondering) :huh:

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14 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

"... the source of lead in drinking water is in the pipes in the individual homes,

NOT in the pipes water providers use to get the water to the houses. ..."

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-is this true in ALL instances??

& is from a credited source?  :unsure:

(I know you've had experience w/ subject on a local level....

so just wondering) :huh:

The pipes are only part of the problem. In cases like Flint, it was the corrosive agents in the switched over water supply that caused the lead in the pipes to leech into the water. 

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15 hours ago, mr6666 said:

"... the source of lead in drinking water is in the pipes in the individual homes,

NOT in the pipes water providers use to get the water to the houses. ..."

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-is this true in ALL instances??

& is from a credited source?  :unsure:

(I know you've had experience w/ subject on a local level....

so just wondering) :huh:

1. Sometimes, but rarely, it can come from the pipes of the water system.

2.  Have to research (or call around) to get the source, but it is common knowledge in water systems.

3.  The issue is how far does the government (and public pay) have to go to fix a problem directly related to individual property owners?

 

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21 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Newark to borrow $120 million to speed replacement of pipes blamed for lead in water

"We couldn't wait" for the federal government, one county executive said. "We had to do it first."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/newark-borrow-120-million-speed-replacement-pipes-blamed-lead-water-n1046431

Apparently Newark is going to hire contractors (plumbers) to go into people's homes and rip out existing water lines and replace them with new ones?  I don't know if this has been done anywhere else, but it has got to be a phenomenal cost.   Then add in reconstruction of walls, floors, etc. for access to lines.  I can see this one running over very quickly.

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Water mining by industrial farms leaves wells dry in rural Arizona, residents say

 

The small desert town of Willcox, Arizona survives off groundwater. Families are running out of water as their wells dry up, and residents are blaming newly-arrived, out-of-state corporate farms.

Residents say they fear one operation in particular, Riverview LLP, that came to Cochise County in 2014, sunk dozens of deep wells, and increased pumping to support two 65,000 cow dairy feedlots...

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/water-mining-by-industrial-farms-leaves-wells-dry-in-rural-arizona-residents-say-69145669779

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22 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Unsafe water more prevalent in communities of color, study finds

"These numbers are supporting what communities themselves have already been saying for decades,” said one of the report's authors.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/unsafe-water-more-prevalent-communities-color-study-finds-n1060366?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

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Didn't read it, but can safely assume it is because of the age of the housing in "communities of color."  Older housing has substantially more copper piping where lead was used to solder.  Newer housing has copper using lead free solder or PVC or other types of piping.

The problem is in the housing, not the water supplies.

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For decades, this rural, mountainous community in Kentucky has made headlines for a notoriously unclean water supply.
But now, efforts to fix that have led to another crisis: Many are unable to afford their water bills.

First These Kentuckians Couldn't Drink The Water. Now They Can't Afford It....

 

",........."some people exposed to the chemicals in their water "may experience problems with their liver, kidneys, or central nervous system, and may have an increased risk of getting cancer."

 

Local officials are trying to fix all that, and they say the water is now safe to drink, save for occasional problems. But this has taken a lot of money, and the cost of that has been passed on to customers.

After a series of increases, water rates went up 41% last year alone..........

 

"We are dealing with systems that are old," says Colette Easter of the American Society of Civil Engineers.

The group has found that America's drinking water infrastructure needs a $105 billion investment in repairs, including more than $8 billion in Kentucky.

And Easter says declining population can compound the challenges facing all rural systems, as fixed costs are spread among fewer ratepayers.......

...... water board is stockpiling bottled water for the neediest, but it faces significant challenges.

Major coal companies have recently declared bankruptcy, leaving hundreds of miners in the region out of work. ...

"Affordability is the biggest thing we worry about," says Jimmy Don Kerr, treasurer of the Martin County water board. And he knows there's the risk of a vicious cycle. "We lose customers, so we have to raise rates again to cover expenses. More people can't pay, so we get more cutoffs." ......

 

"If we got plenty enough rain, it'll rain over," he says. "But here lately, ain't had no rain." At the bottom on this day is just dirt and muck.

His girlfriend, Shelby Cornette, says that even if they use the tap only for showering, the household might have just $20 left for necessities like toilet paper and shampoo or to cover emergency expenses.

"You got to decide, 'Well, let's pay this water,' " she says, but maybe we're not going to eat.

There may be more hard choices to come.......

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/31/772677717/first-these-kentuckians-couldnt-drink-the-water-now-they-can-t-afford-it?utm_source=twitter.com&amp;utm_term=nprnews&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_campaign=npr

 

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On 10/31/2019 at 5:31 PM, mr6666 said:
 
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For decades, this rural, mountainous community in Kentucky has made headlines for a notoriously unclean water supply.
But now, efforts to fix that have led to another crisis: Many are unable to afford their water bills.

First These Kentuckians Couldn't Drink The Water. Now They Can't Afford It....

 

",........."some people exposed to the chemicals in their water "may experience problems with their liver, kidneys, or central nervous system, and may have an increased risk of getting cancer."

 

Local officials are trying to fix all that, and they say the water is now safe to drink, save for occasional problems. But this has taken a lot of money, and the cost of that has been passed on to customers.

After a series of increases, water rates went up 41% last year alone..........

 

"We are dealing with systems that are old," says Colette Easter of the American Society of Civil Engineers.

The group has found that America's drinking water infrastructure needs a $105 billion investment in repairs, including more than $8 billion in Kentucky.

And Easter says declining population can compound the challenges facing all rural systems, as fixed costs are spread among fewer ratepayers.......

...... water board is stockpiling bottled water for the neediest, but it faces significant challenges.

Major coal companies have recently declared bankruptcy, leaving hundreds of miners in the region out of work. ...

"Affordability is the biggest thing we worry about," says Jimmy Don Kerr, treasurer of the Martin County water board. And he knows there's the risk of a vicious cycle. "We lose customers, so we have to raise rates again to cover expenses. More people can't pay, so we get more cutoffs." ......

 

"If we got plenty enough rain, it'll rain over," he says. "But here lately, ain't had no rain." At the bottom on this day is just dirt and muck.

His girlfriend, Shelby Cornette, says that even if they use the tap only for showering, the household might have just $20 left for necessities like toilet paper and shampoo or to cover emergency expenses.

"You got to decide, 'Well, let's pay this water,' " she says, but maybe we're not going to eat.

There may be more hard choices to come.......

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/31/772677717/first-these-kentuckians-couldnt-drink-the-water-now-they-can-t-afford-it?utm_source=twitter.com&amp;utm_term=nprnews&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_campaign=npr

 

So, what's the solution?

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The Trump administration is expected to roll back an Obama-era regulation
meant to limit the leaching of heavy metals like arsenic, lead and mercury
 
into water supplies from the ash of coal-fired power plants
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