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Why does Hollywood have so much female nudity in moves?

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Hollywood degrades women it the name of "ART."  It is total crap.  I am beyond sick of seeing nudity in movies.  It might be different if it weren't so one sided.  It is rare to see more than a glimpse of the male form unclothed.  In contrast, movie goers are forced to sit through extended scenes of full frontal female nudity which merely objectifies women.  

Years ago, nudity had a more tasteful feel.  Now, you see completely naked women that have no purpose other than to shock the audience.  Trash.

 

Sorry for the vent 

 

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Vent away.  But my personal feeling is that nudity, or the threat of it before you actually could have it in American movies, had about the same tasteful/tasteless ratio in the past as it does today.  I don't think the lechery level in the human race has changed much in the past few decades, only the license for its public exercise.  As for your title question, I believe it's rhetorical.  I'm sure you know sex sells.

And the reason it's mostly wimmin is because it's the prejudice of our culcha.  You'll have to change that, in addition to getting more women directors to get more male full-frontal and have them be objectified the same.

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The average Hollywood movie has less nudity now than it did 30 or 40 years ago. We're in a largely PG-13 phase at the moment. That's not saying that there isn't nudity, just not as much from mainstream Hollywood films. You're more likely to see it in indie films or cable or streaming TV.

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Yeah, I was sorta surprised by the thread title. Pretty sure the amount of female nudity in Hollywood films is WAY reduced from the 70s and 80s, or what I would like to call my glorious years of childhood and adolescence, when every other rated R film I watched on HBO after my parents went to bed had at least one nude scene. Now, as an old man, I watch dozens and dozens of rated R films that don't have any nudity at all. There are so many other avenues to find that stuff now, most of which Lawrence mentioned, that Hollywood certainly no longer feels the need to include them as a selling point like they used to, and in this #MeToo era, actresses are infinitely less inclined to film them than their forbears of the previous couple of generations.

OP, I'm pretty sure you're a troll or an artificial creation who will never post here again, but if you are real, and you have interest in discussing this, could you please cite some examples of what you mean? 

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46 minutes ago, summerlily72 said:

Hollywood degrades women it the name of "ART."  It is total crap.  I am beyond sick of seeing nudity in movies.  It might be different if it weren't so one sided.  It is rare to see more than a glimpse of the male form unclothed.  In contrast, movie goers are forced to sit through extended scenes of full frontal female nudity which merely objectifies women.  

Years ago, nudity had a more tasteful feel.  Now, you see completely naked women that have no purpose other than to shock the audience.  Trash.

 

Sorry for the vent 

 

Hollywood doesn't degrade anyone. The audience demands what it wants to pay for and Hollywood gives it what it wants.

Nobody's forcing anybody to sit through any movie they don't want to see. Nobody's forcing anybody to pay for any movie or dvd they don't want to see.

I think you're either trying to pull our leg here or dance around in your own naivete for a joke.

Shock-- all you have to do is look on the internet and that would be the end of shock.

In this country people watch what they want to watch-- last I heard.

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I'd have to agree in saying that I don't think there is as much nudity in films today as there was in the 70s and 80s and early 90s. After all,  explicit nudity used to be occasionally seen in a PG or PG-13 film, and with one or two exceptions, I don't think that that has been allowed for the last 20 years....

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Ha ha, I'm probably an expert on nudity in PG movies before there even was a PG-13 rating! I was at that age where this sort of thing was extremely important to me. You've got Susan Dey nude in Looker, Tanya Roberts topless in Beastmaster, anonymous female breasts jiggling for the camera during the panic scene in Airplane!, JoBeth Williams nude in Kramer vs. Kramer, Brooke Adams nude in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. I could go on and on and on.

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Heh, I'm not familiar with any of those examples sewhite. But I DO know very often when I speak of a film I've yet to see, especially a 70's-90's movie, someone will pipe up with "...you see her breasts in that one!" as if that's the ONLY thing that person remembers about the movie.
Sad.

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7 hours ago, CinemaInternational said:

I'd have to agree in saying that I don't think there is as much nudity in films today as there was in the 70s and 80s and early 90s. After all,  explicit nudity used to be occasionally seen in a PG or PG-13 film, and with one or two exceptions, I don't think that that has been allowed for the last 20 years....

Sure.  It did seem that once nudity was allowed in movies, and the LEVEL of nudity was increased due to acceptance that movie makers DID go overboard with it, just as much as they did with profanity, and it did seem to "taper off" over the years, and since there's probably enough internet porn available to just about anybody, putting a lot of nudity in major movies for theatrical release in order to make a lot of money isn't the panacea for profit that it used to be.

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In mainstream films, full-frontal male nudity will always be a definite "no-no".

When it is approached - Jan-Michael Vincent in "Buster and Billie" and Richard Gere in "American Giggolo" - it is so, so hyped that it almost becomes a non-event.

In the above instances, my reaction was ""That's it?!"

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never mind the nude babes. lets see some 50 foot ones going after their two-timing husbands and boyfriends.

:D

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I agree with others in saying there is a lot less nudity in a lot of films today than there were in the 70's, 80's and even the 90's. 

Not saying there aren't quite a few movies in today's market that show quite a bit of skin for both genders...but you really would have to look for these films to find them.

And I also concur that porn available through the internet or elsewhere probably has weaken the interest for a lot of filmmakers for the need to show upfront nudity.

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In the beginning,  they did it because they could, especially after the lifting of the production code. Today, blockbuster films lack clever dialogue and rely on explosions, car chases, nudity, and macho posturing because  75% of box office is expected to come from outside of the United States. Specifically Hollywood looks to China, Latin America, and various third world countries to fill their coffers. "The King's Speech", "Birdman", and "Moonlight" are just not going to get the job done in overseas markets. Example - "Solo A Star Wars Story" cost 300M to make. To date it has made only 276M worldwide and 161M of that came from the U.S. This kind of film would be expected to make three times overseas what it made in America, handsomely rewarding Disney with about 650M in revenue. So it is a financial failure so far.

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1 hour ago, calvinnme said:

In the beginning,  they did it because they could, especially after the lifting of the production code. Today, blockbuster films lack clever dialogue and rely on explosions, car chases, nudity, and macho posturing because  75% of box office is expected to come from outside of the United States. Specifically Hollywood looks to China, Latin America, and various third world countries to fill their coffers. "The King's Speech", "Birdman", and "Moonlight" are just not going to get the job done in overseas markets. Example - "Solo A Star Wars Story" cost 300M to make. To date it has made only 276M worldwide and 161M of that came from the U.S. This kind of film would be expected to make three times overseas what it made in America, handsomely rewarding Disney with about 650M in revenue. So it is a financial failure so far.

And so, and just to further prove the point that shots of nude movie characters aren't the draw that they once were, even in this latest Star Wars flick once again showing Chewbacca walking around without a stitch of clothing on(well, except for that bandolero he's always sported around his shoulder) doesn't seem to be pulling in audiences like it once did either!

(...and so there's that TOO!)

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On 6/10/2018 at 10:36 AM, NipkowDisc said:

never mind the nude babes. lets see some 50 foot ones going after their two-timing husbands and boyfriends.

:D

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Ya know nip in case you're wondering a 50 Foot woman would have a 4.5 foot walk in va jay jay.

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17 hours ago, summerlily72 said:

Hollywood degrades women it the name of "ART."  It is total crap.  I am beyond sick of seeing nudity in movies.  It might be different if it weren't so one sided.

"Classic Art degrades women it the name of "ART."  It is total crap.  I am beyond sick of seeing nudity in paintings and sculptures." - Fig leaves anyone ??

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In contrast, movie goers are forced to sit through extended scenes of full frontal female nudity which merely objectifies women.  

I'd love to know who is forcing anyone to sit through a film ? Is this at gunpoint ?

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It is rare to see more than a glimpse of the male form unclothed. 

Would you feel better if there were more male nudity ? There are a multitude of places where that can be found.

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Years ago, nudity had a more tasteful feel.  Now, you see completely naked women that have no purpose other than to shock the audience.  Trash.

Are you advocating a return to the production code ?

Where are all these horribly exploitive films being shown ? Thanks to companies like Disney, most films that make big box office are very PG and family friendly. I get the feeling the poster hasn't been to a theater in decades and is just spouting.

I have always been against censorship. Adults have the choice to watch or stay away from any film and they do it everyday. And with the price of tickets these days, no one is going to a movie unless they know full well what to expect.

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, calvinnme said:

In the beginning,  they did it because they could, especially after the lifting of the production code. Today, blockbuster films lack clever dialogue and rely on explosions, car chases, nudity, and macho posturing because 

Kids today are too busy texting to notice any subtle nuances, witty dialogue or anything clever. Only an explosion can make they look up at the screen away from their cell phones.

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75% of box office is expected to come from outside of the United States. Specifically Hollywood looks to China, Latin America, and various third world countries to fill their coffers. "The King's Speech", "Birdman", and "Moonlight" are just not going to get the job done in overseas markets.

Language is not necessary for car chases, fights, shoot outs, explosions etc... so action films are perfect for a worldwide audience. And now we have the technology to premiere a film all over the world the same day. So they do.

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Example - "Solo A Star Wars Story" cost 300M to make. To date it has made only 276M worldwide and 161M of that came from the U.S. This kind of film would be expected to make three times overseas what it made in America, handsomely rewarding Disney with about 650M in revenue. So it is a financial failure so far.

It'll break even eventually but, its far below expectations. Profits from Black Panther and Infinity Wars will more than make up for the loss. Might just have been too many action films released too close together. Overkill can happen to any genre.

 

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18 hours ago, summerlily72 said:

Hollywood degrades women it the name of "ART."  It is total crap.  I am beyond sick of seeing nudity in movies.  It might be different if it weren't so one sided.  It is rare to see more than a glimpse of the male form unclothed.  In contrast, movie goers are forced to sit through extended scenes of full frontal female nudity which merely objectifies women.  

Years ago, nudity had a more tasteful feel.  Now, you see completely naked women that have no purpose other than to shock the audience.  Trash.

 

Sorry for the vent 

 

Wonder how would you feel if there was a nude scene of George Brent's rear end? :P

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14 hours ago, TikiSoo said:

Heh, I'm not familiar with any of those examples sewhite. But I DO know very often when I speak of a film I've yet to see, especially a 70's-90's movie, someone will pipe up with "...you see her breasts in that one!" as if that's the ONLY thing that person remembers about the movie.
Sad.

Well, I will say in my defense, many of those movies I'm thinking of are worth watching for reasons beyond the nudity (probably not Beastmaster), but I haven't forgotten the nudity, either ...

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On 6/10/2018 at 10:36 AM, NipkowDisc said:

never mind the nude babes. lets see some 50 foot ones going after their two-timing husbands and boyfriends.

:D

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You forgot the caption:

"Harry, Harr-eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! You get away from that Yvette Vickers or I am going to kill you with my bare hands!!!!!!!"

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Here believe it or not, is the positive side to the mid sixties demise of the MPPC and exploitation of female nudity in films.

The female nudity in the 60-70s was "natural" female nudity, I guess I get nostalgic for when real women looked like natural women, not the plastic surgery enhanced hairless, prebubescent looking stringbeans you see today. :D

Where else are we gonna get a dose of reality.

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Sorry to cigharjoe, but it's fairly obvious again it's mostly about $money$ 

 

*Brando's massively &cult 1973 LAST TANGO IN PARIS (**1/2) really kick started it as far as bringing an X rated type & bringing those types to mainstrean cinema   Personally though tons of critics always found entire film really a good one, I don't, though again *Marlon's stunning work in it is among his finest hours & *Bertolucci direction also got him his 1st shot at Best Director gold.  I heard the young French girl died a couple of yrs agho, someone let me know please?

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& to Topbilled, LawrenceA, you always scoop most with the fastest answers  didn't that young French girl go already? I know Linda Lovelace did from her liver yrs ago

 

I sound like an old man at 53, but never got into porn myself

 

as a gal pal friend I;ve known going on almost 17yrs from Brooklyn always said she & I both really belonged in the 1940's & 1950's instead. (P.S. she's the gal that bought & send me tons of stuff all cinema related. HOWEVER & I'VE LITERALLY NAGGED YOU TCM-iTES FOR NOT ONLY THAT YOUOWN THIS ITEMN< BUT NOBODY ON HERE EVEN ACKNOWLEDGES THEY HEARD OF IT EITHER???-(again directed to Jakeem, Topbilled, LawrenceA & any others) Holly-(her name) got me the TCM version of "SCENE-IT?"  Now they have many other versions of "SCENE-IT>?" "Seinfeld" "Twight Zone" "friends" but this is strictly the TCM version 7 is not only a DVD trivia board game, it has these superb little pieces to use like littler ROSEBUD SLED, KONG, RED SHOES, PIANO FROM CASABLANCA, you get the idea    PLEASE AT LEAST SAY You've HEARD OIF T, THINK WHEN IT CAME OUT IT WAS BRIEFLY ADVERTIZED ON TCM< not certain though?    THANX

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