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Whatever happens next, the Trump-Kim summit is a win

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Whatever happens next, the Trump-Kim summit is a win

In the end, diplomacy can work – as a process, not an event. There is no Big Bang theory of nuclear diplomacy. If no further progress is made toward peace on the Korean peninsula, all this – the back-and-forth, the Moon-Kim meetings, the Singapore summit itself – is at worst another good start that faded. It is more likely, however, a turning point.

It is easy to announce a morning-after defeat for Trump: to criticize the agreement as vague and lacking in specific commitments regarding denuclearization. But those critics ignore Kim's moratorium on nuclear and ballistic missile testing, the return of American prisoners, the closing of a ballistic missile test site, and the shutting down of a major nuclear test facility without opening a new one. It is easy to forget that a few months ago North Korea was still testing nuclear devices to spark fears of a dark war. Calling the Singapore summit a failure in light of more detailed agreements and different efforts from the past ignores the reality that all of those past agreements failed.

Only a few months ago State Department North Korean expert Joseph Yun's retirement triggered a round of direclaims of a "void at [the] head of Trump's Korea diplomacy." Similar predictions were made over the lack of an American ambassador in Seoul. The State Department was decimated. ("The Trump administration has lost the capacity to negotiate with other countries,"wrote one journalist.) The Council on Foreign Relations assessed the chances of war on the peninsula at 50%.

If Trump followed advice from the left he would have stayed home like past presidents. If he’d listened to the right he’d have bulled into the room and said “Lose the nukes, number one and we’re done” and the process would have truly failed. North Korea developed nuclear weapons to guarantee its survival. If the United States and South Korea want the North to give up those weapons, something has to replace them as that assurance of survival. The summit created the platform.

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The media coverage of this summit has been horrible because Trump was the first President to ever get anything done with North Korea. We all know Obama never did anything on foreign policy--he lost on ISIS, he lost on Iran, and he lost on North Korea. Now that Trump has fixed the mess he left behind, they can't accept that Trump is a way better President.

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My local news carried it quite well. 

Whether if the summit is a success or failure will depend on what happens next.

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Yeah, a win for Kim. LOSING! :D

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58 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

Yeah, but Kim isn't a Muslim, and he hasn't threatened Israel, so, you know...

Kim Jong Un actually did threaten Israel so this just shows more of their hypocrisy.

 

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CNN calls it:

Donald Trump's fake-it-until-you-make-it strategy on North Korea

Trump himself even acknowledged his own tendencies toward exaggeration and, well, faking it, during his Singapore summit press conference.

"I mean, I may stand before you in six months and say, 'Hey, I was wrong,'" Trump said in response to his boasting about the effectiveness of the deal in its initial aftermath. Then he added: "I don't know that I'll ever admit that, but I'll find some kind of an excuse."

....Trump is facing a unique foil in the case of Kim. Because like Trump, Kim has made a brand out of serial exaggeration and outlandish claims. (Reports in North Korea have Kim learning to drive by age 3.) If anything, Kim is more well-versed in wishing "facts" about himself and his existence into life than even Trump. Rarely has Trump dealt with someone who not only plays his exaggeration game, but may be even better at it.  CNN

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It's funny how everyone who cowered in fear when North Korea shot off their missiles are suddenly so brave to criticize this. How typical of the Democrats.

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Isn't it ironic that the president of the US will humble himself and crawl to Asia to meet "Little Rocket Man" and give away lots with nothing in return.

It would be great if NK did not have nukes, but they do.  This is the FOURTH time they have promised denuclearization.  This time they did not even mention inspections, time-frames, or any specifics.

Kim - 4, China - 3, Russia - 2, US (Trump) - 0

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6 hours ago, jakeem said:

Trump’s deal with Kim Jong-un is a con job. And you’re the mark. https://slate.trib.al/WmNWGk9 

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 All show and no substance-- That's an old Showbiz Trick called smoke and mirrors.

That kind of thing works with a Don King heavyweight fight or with the promotion of a reality TV show.

But Phineas Barnum promotional Antics and Fakery have no place in the the serious business of diplomacy and denuclearisation.

 

It's a win-win situation for the dictator of North Korea.

 It's a lose-lose situation for South Korea, Japan and American leadership in the Free World.

 

trump has again aligned himself with another ruthless, barbaric, and Un-American totalitarian dictator.

Make no mistake about it, the president actually admires Kim and Putin!

 

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15 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

Whatever happens next, the Trump-Kim summit is a win

In the end, diplomacy can work – as a process, not an event. There is no Big Bang theory of nuclear diplomacy. If no further progress is made toward peace on the Korean peninsula, all this – the back-and-forth, the Moon-Kim meetings, the Singapore summit itself – is at worst another good start that faded. It is more likely, however, a turning point.

It is easy to announce a morning-after defeat for Trump: to criticize the agreement as vague and lacking in specific commitments regarding denuclearization. But those critics ignore Kim's moratorium on nuclear and ballistic missile testing, the return of American prisoners, the closing of a ballistic missile test site, and the shutting down of a major nuclear test facility without opening a new one. It is easy to forget that a few months ago North Korea was still testing nuclear devices to spark fears of a dark war. Calling the Singapore summit a failure in light of more detailed agreements and different efforts from the past ignores the reality that all of those past agreements failed.

Only a few months ago State Department North Korean expert Joseph Yun's retirement triggered a round of direclaims of a "void at [the] head of Trump's Korea diplomacy." Similar predictions were made over the lack of an American ambassador in Seoul. The State Department was decimated. ("The Trump administration has lost the capacity to negotiate with other countries,"wrote one journalist.) The Council on Foreign Relations assessed the chances of war on the peninsula at 50%.

If Trump followed advice from the left he would have stayed home like past presidents. If he’d listened to the right he’d have bulled into the room and said “Lose the nukes, number one and we’re done” and the process would have truly failed. North Korea developed nuclear weapons to guarantee its survival. If the United States and South Korea want the North to give up those weapons, something has to replace them as that assurance of survival. The summit created the platform.

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The media coverage of this summit has been horrible because Trump was the first President to ever get anything done with North Korea. We all know Obama never did anything on foreign policy--he lost on ISIS, he lost on Iran, and he lost on North Korea. Now that Trump has fixed the mess he left behind, they can't accept that Trump is a way better President.

you're darn right.

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1 hour ago, TheCid said:

Isn't it ironic that the president of the US will humble himself and crawl to Asia to meet "Little Rocket Man" and give away lots with nothing in return.

It would be great if NK did not have nukes, but they do.  This is the FOURTH time they have promised denuclearization.  This time they did not even mention inspections, time-frames, or any specifics.

Kim - 4, China - 3, Russia - 2, US (Trump) - 0

Speaking of give aways let us remember that Trump told little rocket man that they knew where his rocket engine testing facility was and how they knew it.  Trump can't help but give away top secret information.  What a guy, that guy!  :lol:

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18 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

The media coverage of this summit has been horrible because Trump was the first President to ever get anything done with North Korea. We all know Obama never did anything on foreign policy--he lost on ISIS, he lost on Iran, and he lost on North Korea. Now that Trump has fixed the mess he left behind, they can't accept that Trump is a way better President.

Guess who's laughing his @ss off at you right now? Do you really believe that the dog-and-pony show in Singapore is going to get Trump off the bottom of the historical presidential rankings? He's not only the worst president ever -- he's also a worldwide laughingstock!

Well, maybe he can beat out the 15th president -- James Buchanan -- who did absolutely nothing to stop the Civil War.

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If nothing much happens, just as with past promises by NK, it's just a funny

memory, watching two blubber buddies shake hands and smile. Add Rodman

in and you've got a freak show. And freak shows can be very entertaining.

 

I suppose some dumb bunnies cowered in fear. Folks who knew that Kim is not

suicidal yawned in boredom.

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18 hours ago, jakeem said:

Guess who's laughing his @ss off at you right now? Do you really believe that the dog-and-pony show in Singapore is going to get Trump off the bottom of the historical presidential rankings? He's not only the worst president ever -- he's also a worldwide laughingstock!

Well, maybe he can beat out the 15th president -- James Buchanan -- who did absolutely nothing to stop the Civil War.

No, Buchanan's rep. is safe..........

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17 hours ago, Vautrin said:

If nothing much happens, just as with past promises by NK, it's just a funny

memory, watching two blubber buddies shake hands and smile. Add Rodman

in and you've got a freak show. And freak shows can be very entertaining.

 

I suppose some dumb bunnies cowered in fear. Folks who knew that Kim is not

suicidal yawned in boredom.

Too bad SNL is on hiatus.....

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20 hours ago, Princess of Tap said:

 All show and no substance-- That's an old Showbiz Trick called smoke and mirrors.

That kind of thing works with a Don King heavyweight fight or with the promotion of a reality TV show.

But Phineas Barnum promotional Antics and Fakery have no place in the the serious business of diplomacy and denuclearisation.

 

It's a win-win situation for the dictator of North Korea.

 It's a lose-lose situation for South Korea, Japan and American leadership in the Free World.

 

trump has again aligned himself with another ruthless, barbaric, and Un-American totalitarian dictator.

Make no mistake about it, the president actually admires Kim and Putin!

 

There's a difference between admire and respect.  Kim's real goal with the nukes is the win it from foreign leaders.

He has a loony toon personality but not stupid, NK knows if they attack anyone with them, the country will be in the stone age no time short.

 

No one has either won or lose, it's way too early in the game.  The fact this summit happened AT ALL is a miracle. Certainly better than this time last year. Critics are sore because Trump pulled it off. Also South Korea WANTED this summit.

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44 minutes ago, hamradio said:

There's a difference between admire and respect.  Kim's real goal with the nukes is the win it from foreign leaders.

He has a loony toon personality but not stupid, NK knows if they attack anyone with them, the country will be in the stone age no time short.

That's interesting! Trump has a loony toon personality AND he's stupid! 

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25 minutes ago, jakeem said:

That's interesting! Trump has a loony toon personality AND he's stupid! 

And, as Kim has said, a DOTARD! :D

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Let me think, when did Trump launched a nuclear strike on someone...last week, year?  Can't place a date. :wacko:

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55 minutes ago, hamradio said:

Let me think, when did Trump launched a nuclear strike on someone...last week, year?  Can't place a date. :wacko:

What's your point? Outside of Harry Truman no President has.

Are you looking for Trump is get a special credit for not nuking someone?

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3 hours ago, hamradio said:

There's a difference between admire and respect.  Kim's real goal with the nukes is the win it from foreign leaders.

He has a loony toon personality but not stupid, NK knows if they attack anyone with them, 

**the country will be in the stone age no time short.**

 

No one has either won or lose, it's way too early in the game.  The fact this summit happened AT ALL is a miracle. Certainly better than this time last year. Critics are sore because Trump pulled it off. Also South Korea WANTED this summit.

You may think it's funny to put North Korea in the Stone Age, but people in South Korea and Japan will be there too.

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