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Alice Faye and Fox musicals

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Anyone else here a fan of Alice Faye? She wasn’t the bombshell that was Betty Grable, but in her own gorgeous sweet but sultry way she steals every movie she’s in for me. Fox musicals sometimes seem dumb or unsophisticated compared to WB’s or MGM’s. And mostly they are. BUT, if you ever get to see Alexander’s Ragtime Band, Tin Pan Alley or some of the others in a theater with an audience - it’s amazing how well those pictures work! They were meant to entertain and boy do they ever! Especially for me, when they focus on the beautiful Miss Faye with her gorgeous eyes and sultry voice.

Greatest of all is the incredible The Gang’s all Here. But that’s a whole topic unto itself.

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I'm a huge fan of hers too. I think I read she only had an eighth grade education. She grew up in Hell's Kitchen and was from a rough background. But she was just so sweet and beautiful on screen. And her voice was superb. To me, she's like the female Bing Crosby, the way she croons a love song.

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I don't know if I would call myself a fan but I like her. The first time I saw her was in the 1962 remake of State Fair. She was in her late 40s and played the mother. I later saw her in Stowaway and was very impressed with her beauty and voice back then. Up until then I had no idea!

 

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Alice Faye filmography:
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GEORGE WHITE'S SCANDALS (1934)...debut at Fox; lead 
NOW I'LL TELL (1934)...Fox, in support of Helen Twelvetrees
SHE LEARNED ABOUT SAILORS (1934)...Fox; lead
365 NIGHTS IN HOLLYWOOD (1934)...Fox; lead
GEORGE WHITE'S 1935 SCANDALS (1935)...Fox; lead
EVERY NIGHT AT EIGHT (1935)...loan out to Paramount; lead
MUSIC IS MAGIC (1935)...Fox; lead
KING OF BURLESQUE (1936)...Fox; lead
POOR LITTLE RICH GIRL (1936)...Fox; in support of Shirley Temple
SING BABY SING (1936)...Fox; lead
STOWAWAY (1936)...Fox; in support of Shirley Temple
IN OLD CHICAGO (1937)...Fox; lead
ON THE AVENUE (1937)...Fox; in support of Madeleine Carroll
YOU CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING (1937)...Fox; lead
WAKE UP AND LIVE (1937)...Fox; lead
YOU'RE A SWEETHEART (1937)...loan out to Universal; lead
SALLY IRENE AND MARY (1938)...Fox; lead
ALEXANDER'S RAGTIME BAND (1938)...Fox; lead
TAIL SPIN (1939)...Fox; lead
ROSE OF WASHINGTON SQUARE (1939)...Fox; lead
HOLLYWOOD CAVALCADE (1939)...Fox; lead
BARRICADE (1939)...Fox; lead
LITTLE OLD NEW YORK (1940)...Fox; lead
LILLIAN RUSSELL (1940)...Fox; lead
TIN PAN ALLEY (1940)...Fox; lead
THAT NIGHT IN RIO (1941)...Fox; lead
THE GREAT AMERICAN BROADCAST (1941)...Fox; lead
WEEK-END IN HAVANA (1941)...Fox; lead
HELLO FRISCO HELLO (1943)...Fox; lead
THE GANG'S ALL HERE (1943)...Fox; lead
FOUR JILLS IN A JEEP (1944)...Fox; cameo
FALLEN ANGEL (1945)...Fox; lead
STATE FAIR (1962)...Fox; in support of Pat Boone

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Adore her and Betty Grable. I find it very strange that neither of them have been acknowledge during the class when they were two of the biggest stars during the War years. I know TCM has limited access to their films, but certainly their impact, along with fellow Fox star Carmen Miranda, could have been acknowledged. 

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I am surprised there are only one or two 20th Century Fox Musicals in this course. Granted, they are not as well done as MGM musicals, but they were very popular and in many cases, were more reflective of the social and cultural times during WWII.  Betty Grable was a big star and the pin up girl during the war. The Grable musical Pin-Up Girl (1944) has Betty working in the War Department as a secretary and singing in a club at night. The finale of the film has Betty and a hundred women in “Army” uniforms marching in formation in a Bugsby Berkley like extravaganza. This film highlights the participation of women in the war effort.  In Down Argentina Way (1940) the Good Neighbor policy of FDR is prominently featured with South American locations, music and dancing. Carmen Miranda makes an appearance in this film. And what about Alice Faye. Her Musicals were pure American Patriotism (Tin Pan Alley 1940, Alexander’s Ragtime Band 1938) and also part of the Good Neighbor Policy (Weekend in Havana 1941). The Gang’s All Here (1943) boasts wartime effort (war bond drive and women missing their men at war) and the Good Neighbor Policy (Carmen Miranda and the opening musical number with a South American cargo ship unloading in New York.  Finally, what about Four Jills and a Jeep. This is a musical based on the true experiences of Hollywood actresses entertaining troops overseas on the military bases and front lines. I think not including these films and stars misses a big part of the history of the 1940s musical.  

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53 minutes ago, BartG said:

Adore her and Betty Grable. I find it very strange that neither of them have been acknowledge during the class when they were two of the biggest stars during the War years. I know TCM has limited access to their films, but certainly their impact, along with fellow Fox star Carmen Miranda, could have been acknowledged. 

TCM does not have limited access to Fox films. They just chose not to pay the fees to license those films. That's why the Mad about the Musicals course is a bit lopsided in terms of studio representation. It's basically a way for them to use the MGM and WB musicals at their disposal. This course should really be titled Mad about MGM and WB musicals.

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I am so thrilled to hear someone mention Alice Faye. I simply adore her!  The Gang's all here is one of the coolest films ever, in my book. I also loved her show with Phil. I listen to episodes of that often.  While we can't watch them on TCM they are still fabulous films.  I wish she had worked for MGM, just think of what she could have made. 

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2 hours ago, Chelle Belle said:

I am so thrilled to hear someone mention Alice Faye. I simply adore her!  The Gang's all here is one of the coolest films ever, in my book. I also loved her show with Phil. I listen to episodes of that often.  While we can't watch them on TCM they are still fabulous films.  I wish she had worked for MGM, just think of what she could have made. 

Why should she have worked for MGM? She did quite well with Fox...very well!

She was in a protracted disagreement with Daryl Zanuck. He wouldn't release her from her contract and she still owed him a film on the contract. So she was prevented from going to another studio. The radio show she did with Phil was allowed because radio was not seen as competition with Fox films. But they had to say she was appearing courtesy of 20th Century Fox though she was no longer really working there.

Anyway, Zanuck tried to get her back by offering her the lead in STARS AND STRIPES FOREVER (which went to Ruth Hussey and became a non-singing part). I think she would have been fantastic in that film. But she was very stubborn and would not forgive Zanuck for cutting a song she did for FALLEN ANGEL. The reason she eventually came back to Fox in 1962 to give them the film she still owed them (STATE FAIR) was because Zanuck had been temporarily ousted and she didn't have to deal with him.

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2 minutes ago, Elizabeth Milne said:

I was lucky enough to see Alice Faye on stage in a revival of Good News in Toronto in the early 1970s.  Even got her autograph after the show. She was charming.

Who was she touring with? Was it John Payne? I heard they toured together around that time. She cited him as her favorite costar at Fox.

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10 minutes ago, Elizabeth Milne said:

Yes, it was John Payne.  I was disappointed that he went out a different door, so we didn't get to see him up close, but I loved both of them in the show.

I am sure you enjoyed the show. Lucky you!

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I am glad to see this topic.  I felt this course was lopsided, towand MGM and  W B musicals.  I did not realise that flim library would limit course material .  

My love of Classic film came from my childhood when the local NBC affiliate would show movies every weekday afternoon.  They  showed many Fox, paramount, and Columbia musical. when I was a l ittle  girl I loved coming home and watching these musicals.  Alice Faye, Betty Grable, Jack Haley, Shirley temple are among the performers missing or under represented in this course.    Betty Grable and Alice Fayes musicals were so patriotic and very much of their time.  

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I don't know if it's been mentioned anywhere on the TCM boards but the late Hugh Hefner was absolutely enchanted with Alice Faye.  Alice was Hugh's be-all, end-all.  In the early 1990s, Hugh was introduced to Alice at Cinecon, the wonderful classic film festival in Los Angeles, and he was absolutely tongue-tied meeting her.  

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On 6/13/2018 at 7:57 PM, MarkH said:

Anyone else here a fan of Alice Faye? She wasn’t the bombshell that was Betty Grable, but in her own gorgeous sweet but sultry way she steals every movie she’s in for me. Fox musicals sometimes seem dumb or unsophisticated compared to WB’s or MGM’s. And mostly they are. BUT, if you ever get to see Alexander’s Ragtime Band, Tin Pan Alley or some of the others in a theater with an audience - it’s amazing how well those pictures work! They were meant to entertain and boy do they ever! Especially for me, when they focus on the beautiful Miss Faye with her gorgeous eyes and sultry voice.

Greatest of all is the incredible The Gang’s all Here. But that’s a whole topic unto itself.

I really like Alice Faye and love her movies. She did a number of films in the thirties and several with Shirley Temple, including Stowaway, Poor Little Rich Girl. Alice Faye appeared with Jack Haley and Robert Young in the Temple films, but also in many others. I love Alexander's Ragtime Band as well. Thank you for including her.  I know that it is impossible to mention all, but there are some who should be spotlighted, including Alice Faye.  

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On 6/16/2018 at 10:09 AM, PrincessAnankaLuvsKharis said:

I don't know if it's been mentioned anywhere on the TCM boards but the late Hugh Hefner was absolutely enchanted with Alice Faye.  Alice was Hugh's be-all, end-all.  In the early 1990s, Hugh was introduced to Alice at Cinecon, the wonderful classic film festival in Los Angeles, and he was absolutely tongue-tied meeting her.  

Apparently, Mr. Hefner was tongue-tied while meeting several Fox stars.  I saw an interview with him on his Playboy Channel many years ago where he said that Betty Grable was the inspiration for his magazine but he ended up running a nude photo of Marilyn Monroe in his first issue.

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On 6/14/2018 at 9:59 AM, TopBilled said:

TCM does not have limited access to Fox films. They just chose not to pay the fees to license those films. That's why the Mad about the Musicals course is a bit lopsided in terms of studio representation. It's basically a way for them to use the MGM and WB musicals at their disposal. This course should really be titled Mad about MGM and WB musicals.

I hope everyone got a chance to see Betty Grable in "Moon Over Miami" around midnight on June 14th/15th on TCM.  Apparently it's the only Grable musical being shown this month!

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17 minutes ago, filmnoirguy said:

I hope everyone got a chance to see Betty Grable in "Moon Over Miami" around midnight on June 14th/15th on TCM.  Apparently it's the only Grable musical being shown this month!

Yes, that was a rare treat. It should have aired earlier in the evening, though. Why so late?

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