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Attention....parents...important.

Do not have your kids sleep over on the floor.  According to the left, it is cruel and barbaric!!

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Where's the rug, stuffed animals, christmas trees, presents, cozy surroundings in this photo? Also the fortunate children in your pictures don't seem to be interned in a chain-link cage. 

Apparently those who condone this inhumanity are either severely myopic or purposely choose to see their administration's views.

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6 minutes ago, Zea said:

Maybe I'm missing something but where's the rug, stuffed animals, christmas trees, presents, cozy surroundings in this photo?

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And where are they in the Guatemala photos? (where some came from!) :huh:

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5 hours ago, NipkowDisc said:

there you have it.  clear acknowledgement that IT IS within the democrats' power to stop the separations but their political interests are more important to them than children...

YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! pleadings for compassion and false claims of helplessness.

I have to concede that Trump is unscrupulously playing his cards well in the immigration policies he is trying to force into policy. Unfortunately, he is doing so with the lives of children and their families. He has Democrats where he wants them because HE implemented a law that brings about the separation of families and HE is having his departments enforce the policies by prying children away from mothers and fathers. He will likely succeed in seeing a reduction in families trying to come to America because what mother wants her child torn from her arms? Instead, they will stay in the horrid conditions they are seeking to escape and remain hopeless for their children to have better lives. Trump will succeed in getting Democrats to cave to his demands because he is heartless and could care less about human beings while most people in Congress want this to end immediately. Republican leaders find it appalling too although they won't break from Trump for fear of reprisal. It is up to citizens in the United States to force Trump's hand.  Unless we want to see that wall built, we need to take action and get elected officials more concerned about reprisal from us (via elections and no contributions) than the are of Trump. 

Anyone saying "...it is within the democrats' power to stop the separations but their political interests are more important to them than children..." is not acknowledging who implemented the law, who is calling for the law to be enforced and who is making a human tragedy out of immigrants seeking opportunity.  I hope anyone applauding such tactics is never in need of protection, never in need of mercy, never in need of compassion, never in need of the ideals the U.S. promulgates because suddenly being in need of the things one denies others is a really, really unfortunate situation.  I hope those in favor of this behavior never experience it.  No one should be treated this way, ever. Not even hypocrites who claim people can't have it both ways. I hope said people never need it both ways because their own wouldn't likely be likely to offer it although Democrats and progressives probably would offer asylum and protection because that's what we do.

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2 hours ago, hamradio said:
 hours ago, jakeem said:
 
This is heartbreaking. Some of these kids look like they are 4 or 5 years old. No books, no toys, sleeping on gym mats with space blankets.
 
The people responsible for this are monsters.
 
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Compared to how many were living NORMALLY before?? :blink:
 
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Are you not getting the point that they are fleeing these conditions (the ones whoever is posting this picture thinks is so clever to post to show folks didn't have it good where they came from ) to try to find better lives for children and loved ones -- to escape rape, violence, harrassment.  They are fleeing hunger, inhuman conditions, and fear. That's why they left.  Your posting of the living conditions prior to migration underscores their desperation instead of any naiveté on the part of folks crying out in horror that our government would treat human beings -- especially children -- this way.  

Only now, thanks to Turmp's too cute by half law, and Sessions' enforcement of the law, families and women seeking protection where they feared violence (a valid reason for asylum in the U.S. although Sessions chooses not to acknowledge it) are having children pried from the very arms trying to protect them. The Trump argument is, "Then don't bring them in the first place," but that's not an acceptable answer from a country espousing humane values. This picture proves the point of those objecting to the handling of immigrants instead of underscoring how correct Trump's supporters are.  

Just wow that one would not get that.

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Listen to Children Who’ve Just Been Separated From Their Parents at the Border

ProPublica has obtained audio from inside a U.S. Customs and Border Protection facility, in which children can be heard wailing as an agent jokes, “We have an orchestra here.”

https://www.propublica.org/article/children-separated-from-parents-border-patrol-cbp-trump-immigration-policy?utm_campaign=sprout&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1529351580

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3 hours ago, hamradio said:
 hours ago, jakeem said:
 
This is heartbreaking. Some of these kids look like they are 4 or 5 years old. No books, no toys, sleeping on gym mats with space blankets.
 
The people responsible for this are monsters.
 
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Compared to how many were living NORMALLY before?? :blink:
 
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You don't know how any individual person from any individual country actually lived. You're making generalizations that are stereotypical and not at all logical or fair.

And I'll be totally frank with you, no matter how poor anyone is--

No person or child should ever be sexually assaulted, physically assaulted, or terrorized by any government official or representative of the United States government. And that is exactly what the ACLU has found to be the case numerous times and some of these cases are going to court.

Trying to say that a person doesn't deserve decent treatment, including  decent shelter, just because they're poor and they come from a poor country is really something I don't think is a civilized premise.

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3 hours ago, hamradio said:

 

And where are they in the Guatemala photos? (where some came from!) :huh:

You cannot prove the veracity or the date of your photo and you cannot prove that any of the people  currently in the government center are living in those same exact circumstances. This is called stereotyping and I don't want to have anything to do with it.

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3 hours ago, hamradio said:

Attention....parents...important.

Do not have your kids sleep over on the floor.  According to the left, it is cruel and barbaric!!

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Deflecting on such a tragic and dangerous International Refugee Crisis is sad within itself.

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3 hours ago, jakeem said:

Texas detention officer charged with "super aggravated sexual assault" of a 4-year-old girl after authorities say her mother, an undocumented immigrant, was being blackmailed to stay silent about the abuse — or face deportation.

"The details of the case are quite frankly heartbreaking, disturbing, disgusting and infuriating all at the same time," Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar says.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/texas-deputy-sexually-assaulted-undocumented-immigrant-s-child-sheriff-says-n884176?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

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This is one of the court cases that I was referring to in a prior post which will be coming up soon about how some --hopefully a small minority --government representatives have been sexually assaulting the migrants, including some of the children.

 

*What I'm trying to emphasize here is that when a government takes responsibility for large numbers of international refugees, it is their responsibility,according to international law, to see to it that they have proper treatment in terms of safety, food and shelter.

**What makes this situation particularly difficult is that the trump administration has decided to separate children from their parents. Therefore it is much more difficult to ensure the safety of all these hundreds of minor children.

***A number of these International laws having to do with treatment of International refugees and international citizens in dire straits were a direct response to the  Crimes Against Humanity of The Holocaust.

****What some trump supporters don't realize about this situation is that it is now an international crisis, which is coming under worldwide scrutiny because we are talking about people who are coming from other countries.

 

*****Even though  these International refugees seeking asylum may be poor and are not white people, they still have rights under international law.

 Therefore,  the trump administration will have to answer to the world as to how they are treating these International refugees

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2 hours ago, jakeem said:

Getty photographer John Moore has shared the story behind a viral photo taken during his recent ride-along with the Border Patrol https://cbsn.ws/2JVLHM7 

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I heard the compassionate story of this professional International photojournalist on YouTube.

 John Moore has been in war zones, covered the Ebola plague-- you name it. But his experience with the trump zero tolerance policy truly left him shaken and upset.

Throughout the history of the United States, starting with the Civil War, it has been photojournalists, like this man, who have brought the true story of what's going on to American citizens who need to know about it--and sometimes with just one photo.

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5 hours ago, jakeem said:

The United Nations Human Rights Chief denounced the U.S. practice of separating children to deter their migrant parents, calling it unconscionable abuse.

 

5 hours ago, jakeem said:

.@jackholmes0 reports on what it's like inside the McAllen Border Patrol Processing Center, which is known as "the dog kennel"

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a21591001/mcallen-texas-immigration-processing-center-human-rights-disaster/?src=socialflowTW

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Reality Check

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4 hours ago, jakeem said:

Democratic lawmakers are angry with what they saw in South Texas https://cnn.it/2ys6vGa 

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4 hours ago, jakeem said:

Americans oppose Trump's family separation policy 66-27%.

Republicans support it 55-35%. The only listed party, gender, education, age or racial group to support it. @QuinnipiacPoll

 

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Trump And His Allies Are Either Woefully Misinformed About Family Separations Or Lying Through Their Teeth

DHS officials say they’re being treated unfairly by the media. They aren’t.

"On May 7, the Trump administration announced a policy of systematically separating child migrants from their mothers when they cross the border illegally as a group. It wasn’t a secret. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, standing alongside Acting Director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement Thomas Homan, announced the change at a press conference in San Diego, California, clarifying that the federal government would now prosecute mothers who bring their children to the United States on criminal immigration charges, while routing their children into the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement.

It was a profound change that marked a clear break from previous administrations.......

The policy change enacted by the Trump administration exposes families who cross the border without authorization to criminal charges that historically they had been exempted from as a matter of policy. It’s those prosecutions ― typically for the petty misdemeanor crime of illegal entry ― that result in family separations. It’s been standard practice not to jail children over criminal charges brought against their parents.

The Trump administration’s innovation is to manufacture criminal proceedings by reducing prosecutors’ power to decline to prosecute mothers who cross the border with their children. .....

President Trump, House Speaker Ryan, Homeland Security Secretary Nielsen and the other prominent Republicans seeking to deflect the blame over family separations at the border know exactly what they’re doing, and they know it’s unpopular. And to shield themselves, they’ve resorted to flagrant dishonesty and cast themselves as victims of the press.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-allies-family-separations-immigration-misinformation-lies_us_5b27e1f6e4b056b2263cb3de?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

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tRump insists he's not using the lives, health & welfare of innocent children as a bargaining chip to get his asinine wall built.  He keeps claiming he's only following "the law".  Well, there IS NO LAW that separates children from their legal guardians and/or parents.  There was a policy held by Clinton & Obama re immigration.  No "law".  

What tRump is following is his own policy/edict of "Zero Tolerance"  that sanctimonious Jeff "I'm-A-Good-Christian-and-Only-Do-What-The-Bible-Tells-Me" Sessions put into effect May, 2018.

Besides, tRump's negated nearly every blessed thing Obama put into place, so if tRump thinks this imprisonment and child abuse is so wrong, then why doesn't he do what he's done to all Obama's actions.......over turn it. Why doesn't he be the bigger person, the 'greater' person and help to 'make America great again' and help 'America Be More Humane Again"?  Huh? 

P.S. Apologies to mr.6666 on some reiteration of his post. I was writing this while you were posting.

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6 minutes ago, jakeem said:

The administration’s current family separation policy is an affront to the decency of the American people, and contrary to principles and values upon which our nation was founded. The administration has the power to rescind this policy. It should do so now.

Our Nation's Conscience

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7 minutes ago, jakeem said:

The children's cries elicit a response from a border agent: "Well, we have an orchestra here. What’s missing is a conductor.” 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/children-cry-their-parents-audio-trump-s-border-family-separations-n884486?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

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"Government-Sanctioned Child Abuse"

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5 hours ago, Princess of Tap said:

Deflecting on such a tragic and dangerous International Refugee Crisis is sad within itself.

There's that word again just like racism to shut down an argument.

News flash, it won't!!

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11 hours ago, jakeem said:

It does not matter who started the family separation policy. Even if it was @BarackObama (it wasn't), Trump has consistently bragged about his ability to end Obama's policies. But now he claims he can't end this one?!?! This is now Trump's draconian policy and it should end now.

We are already mobilizing resources on the ground for this fight. By day's end, we expect to have at least 20 detained mothers and children as clients. #Basta

 

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5 hours ago, Princess of Tap said:

Our Nation's Conscience

If so, we're in deep doo doo.

This is Trump's thing. Just like ending DACA, he put the policy in place. Then when it gets him in

trouble, he blames everybody except the person who is responsible for the situation--himself.

Once a scam artist, always a scam artist. 

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On 6/17/2018 at 8:43 PM, jakeem said:

Laura Bush: I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart

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Monday, June 18th 2018, BBC World News leads with the Republican, former First Lady  Laura Bush denouncing the zero tolerance policy of the trump administration, which separates Refugee Asylum Seekers from their children.

 

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