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Goldfinger, the best Bond film?

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Did anyone ever come to to a more stunning vision?

I saw Goldfinger as a kid in a theatre and recall moaning with desire with P u s s y's first appearance.

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Diamonds Are Forever also has the gay henchmen:

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I long thought we mostly agreed that claiming something to be the "best" was largely a matter of personal opinion and to make it clear to others that it was what was meant whenever posting the claim of something being the "best".  And in light of that, I'll say---

There may be many in agreement with that claim about GOLDFINGER because sentimentally, it's remembered as the first Bond film many of us ever actually saw.  I know it was the first one ever saw, but after over the years finally seeing most of the Bond films, I'd have to say.....

I like all the SEAN CONNERY Bond films equally, didn't care a LOT for ROGER MOORE as Bond( and kept waiting for a "slip-up" of Moore walking in and introducing himself as "Bond....Saint Bond!"  :D  )

Didn't care for Dalton as Bond, or for much of anything else he's done for that matter.  But too, didn't think Brosnon was all that BAD in the role.

And although they ALL had their own distinctive qualities, my heart STILL pounds for the "original Bond girl" URSULA ANDRESS!  :P

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Dr. No was the first Bopnd movie I saw

1 hour ago, Sepiatone said:

 

There may be many in agreement with that claim about GOLDFINGER because sentimentally, it's remembered as the first Bond film many of us ever actually saw.  I know it was the first one ever saw, but after over the years finally seeing most of the Bond films, I'd have to say.....

 

Dr. No was the first Bond movie I saw.  I also read all the Bond books after that viewing.  Still have a couple in hardback.

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I’m in the minority here, but I loved Roger Moore as Bond. Live & Let Die is my favorite of his. Great theme song by Paul McCartney, pretty Jane Seymour as the love interest (among others) and Yaphet Kotto as the villain. There’s a lot to like about it, including the fact that it has enough plot for about 3 movies. 

The first Bond film I saw was Thunderball and for the life of me I never can remember much about it except that there are several scenes underwater. The second one I saw was On Her Majesty’s Secret Service and I love that one a lot too. Too bad Lazenby didn’t stick with it. He got bad advice. 

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9 hours ago, Sepiatone said:

There may be many in agreement with that claim about GOLDFINGER because sentimentally, it's remembered as the first Bond film many of us ever actually saw.  I know it was the first one ever saw, but after over the years finally seeing most of the Bond films, I'd have to say.....

In the 70's, 007 were the only 60's films that were still MAJOR TV ratings when run in prime-time.  Before cable and VCR, you planned your week, popcorn and pajamas around the Thursday or Sunday-night ABC showing.  
And Ernie Anderson's 70's-ABC "To-night:" made any theatrical movie you first watched on TV an event: 

(Even Faye Dunaway in "Network" brags "ABC wants to trade us five Bond movies for Howard Beale!", as if that was one of the recognizable ratings Super-Bowls of the day.)

My first ABC Sunday-night popcorn-pajamas-and-can't-stay-up-to-the-end Bond?  Goldfinger, of course. :D  Even if all I remembered for years was the tricked-out Aston Martin with the oil slick and ejector, and wondering how it was possible to kill someone with gold.

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I recall reading "Dr. No" and then watching the movie.  It was a jarring experience.  The movie was fun, but the book had so much more going for it;  at least I felt that as a young teen.  Still my favorite Bond flick.

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This Roger Moore anecdote from Marc Hayes may be a little off topic on this thread as it is not about a Bond film but it is Bond related.

 

As an seven year old in about 1983, in the days before First Class Lounges at airports, I was with my grandad in Nice Airport and saw Roger Moore sitting at the departure gate, reading a paper. I told my granddad I'd just seen James Bond and asked if we could go over so I could get his autograph. My grandad had no idea who James Bond or Roger Moore were, so we walked over and he popped me in front of Roger Moore, with the words "my grandson says you're famous. Can you sign this?"

As charming as you'd expect, Roger asks my name and duly signs the back of my plane ticket, a fulsome note full of best wishes. I'm ecstatic, but as we head back to our seats, I glance down at the signature. It's hard to decipher it but it definitely doesn't say 'James Bond'. My grandad looks at it, half figures out it says 'Roger Moore' - I have absolutely no idea who that is, and my hearts sinks. I tell my grandad he's signed it wrong, that he's put someone else's name - so my grandad heads back to Roger Moore, holding the ticket which he's only just signed.

I remember staying by our seats and my grandad saying "he says you've signed the wrong name. He says your name is James Bond." Roger Moore's face crinkled up with realisation and he beckoned me over. When I was by his knee, he leant over, looked from side to side, raised an eyebrow and in a hushed voice said to me, "I have to sign my name as 'Roger Moore' because otherwise...Blofeld might find out I was here." He asked me not to tell anyone that I'd just seen James Bond, and he thanked me for keeping his secret. I went back to our seats, my nerves absolutely jangling with delight. My grandad asked me if he'd signed 'James Bond.' No, I said. I'd got it wrong. I was working with James Bond now.

Many, many years later, I was working as a scriptwriter on a recording that involved UNICEF, and Roger Moore was doing a piece to camera as an ambassador. He was completely lovely and while the cameramen were setting up, I told him in passing the story of when I met him in Nice Airport. He was happy to hear it, and he had a chuckle and said "Well, I don't remember but I'm glad you got to meet James Bond." So that was lovely.

And then he did something so brilliant. After the filming, he walked past me in the corridor, heading out to his car - but as he got level, he paused, looked both ways, raised an eyebrow and in a hushed voice said, "Of course I remember our meeting in Nice. But I didn't say anything in there, because those cameramen - any one of them could be working for Blofeld."

I was as delighted at 30 as I had been at 7. What a man. What a tremendous man.

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40 minutes ago, TomJH said:

This Roger Moore anecdote from Marc Hayes may be a little off topic on this thread as it is not about a Bond film but it is Bond related.

 

As an seven year old in about 1983, in the days before First Class Lounges at airports, I was with my grandad in Nice Airport and saw Roger Moore sitting at the departure gate, reading a paper. I told my granddad I'd just seen James Bond and asked if we could go over so I could get his autograph. My grandad had no idea who James Bond or Roger Moore were, so we walked over and he popped me in front of Roger Moore, with the words "my grandson says you're famous. Can you sign this?"

As charming as you'd expect, Roger asks my name and duly signs the back of my plane ticket, a fulsome note full of best wishes. I'm ecstatic, but as we head back to our seats, I glance down at the signature. It's hard to decipher it but it definitely doesn't say 'James Bond'. My grandad looks at it, half figures out it says 'Roger Moore' - I have absolutely no idea who that is, and my hearts sinks. I tell my grandad he's signed it wrong, that he's put someone else's name - so my grandad heads back to Roger Moore, holding the ticket which he's only just signed.

I remember staying by our seats and my grandad saying "he says you've signed the wrong name. He says your name is James Bond." Roger Moore's face crinkled up with realisation and he beckoned me over. When I was by his knee, he leant over, looked from side to side, raised an eyebrow and in a hushed voice said to me, "I have to sign my name as 'Roger Moore' because otherwise...Blofeld might find out I was here." He asked me not to tell anyone that I'd just seen James Bond, and he thanked me for keeping his secret. I went back to our seats, my nerves absolutely jangling with delight. My grandad asked me if he'd signed 'James Bond.' No, I said. I'd got it wrong. I was working with James Bond now.

Many, many years later, I was working as a scriptwriter on a recording that involved UNICEF, and Roger Moore was doing a piece to camera as an ambassador. He was completely lovely and while the cameramen were setting up, I told him in passing the story of when I met him in Nice Airport. He was happy to hear it, and he had a chuckle and said "Well, I don't remember but I'm glad you got to meet James Bond." So that was lovely.

And then he did something so brilliant. After the filming, he walked past me in the corridor, heading out to his car - but as he got level, he paused, looked both ways, raised an eyebrow and in a hushed voice said, "Of course I remember our meeting in Nice. But I didn't say anything in there, because those cameramen - any one of them could be working for Blofeld."

I was as delighted at 30 as I had been at 7. What a man. What a tremendous man.

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I always liked Roger Moore as James Bond from the first. if he wasn't as good as sean connery as 007 it wasn't by much.

to me connery and moore are co-equally good as bond.

 

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Heck, I remember reading that Connery and Moore( who were also very good friends) conjured up the idea of having, at the end of Connery's Bond role reprise in NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN, Connery as Bond walking past Moore, as just a passer-by and a few steps later, have the two stop and look towards one another with Moore finally saying the movie's title.  Having never seen it I don't know if they ever did that as I too recall they couldn't sell the idea to the producer.

It all had something to do with mocking Connery's earlier declaration that he would "NEVER!" do another Bond movie.  :D  

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14 hours ago, EricJ said:

In the 70's, 007 were the only 60's films that were still MAJOR TV ratings when run in prime-time.  Before cable and VCR, you planned your week, popcorn and pajamas around the Thursday or Sunday-night ABC showing.  
And Ernie Anderson's 70's-ABC "To-night:" made any theatrical movie you first watched on TV an event.

 

I don't remember that ABC feature, but then too, by the '70's I was married, had my first daughter and had seen all the CONNERY Bond flicks, and bought my first house in 1973, the year Moore made his FIRST appearance as Bond.  ;) 

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1 hour ago, Sepiatone said:

Heck, I remember reading that Connery and Moore( who were also very good friends) conjured up the idea of having, at the end of Connery's Bond role reprise in NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN, Connery as Bond walking past Moore, as just a passer-by and a few steps later, have the two stop and look towards one another with Moore finally saying the movie's title.  Having never seen it I don't know if they ever did that as I too recall they couldn't sell the idea to the producer.

It all had something to do with mocking Connery's earlier declaration that he would "NEVER!" do another Bond movie.  :D  

That would have been great in the film but it didn't happen.

Although the ending of "Never Say Never Again" was enjoyable. Connery as Bond gets a call for another assignment but says "Never again", the final Bond girl (played by Kim Basinger) asks "Never?" Connery winks at the audience for a final freeze frame.

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8 hours ago, Det Jim McLeod said:

That would have been great in the film but it didn't happen.

Although the ending of "Never Say Never Again" was enjoyable. Connery as Bond gets a call for another assignment but says "Never again", the final Bond girl (played by Kim Basinger) asks "Never?" Connery winks at the audience for a final freeze frame.

Yeah, Connery winked through the whole movie, which was the problem with Never being the "fake" Bond movie.

Apart from being legal concession to finally placate the Thunderball guy, I don't remember much of the plot, I just remember Connery pushing comedy-relief Rowan Atkinson into a pool.  Even Roger Moore would never have gone there.

9 hours ago, Sepiatone said:

It all had something to do with mocking Connery's earlier declaration that he would "NEVER!" do another Bond movie.  :D  

Well, he meant he would never personally do another one for producer Harry Saltzman, but the "fake" Bond movie without Saltzman or Albert Broccoli was okay.

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connery was so dapper and debonair in never say never again he reminded me of fred Astaire.

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I have to agree that Goldfinger probably was the best Bond film. I would rate Thunderball as #2. For me, Live and Let Die was the best song. It just edged out Shirley Bassey's Goldfinger and Nobody Does It Better from The Spy Who Loved Me. However, my personal favorite movie will always be Dr. No. As far as Bond stars go: I rank Connery first, Brosnan second, Moore third, Dalton fourth, and Craig fifth. I actually thought Lazenby wasn't bad but didn't rank him since he only did one movie. I like Daniel Craig as an actor, but he's just not suave enough to be Bond. I really hope they keep the franchise going and I think the more recent  films (SPECTRE and Skyfall) are better that the earlier Craig movies. I've heard Craig is doing one more. It will be interesting to see where they go after he retires from playing 007.

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5 hours ago, EricJ said:

Apart from being legal concession to finally placate the Thunderball guy,

Kevin McClory; RTÉ (Irish Radio) had a documentary about him about a year ago.

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12 hours ago, Hoganman1 said:

I have to agree that Goldfinger probably was the best Bond film. I would rate Thunderball as #2. For me, Live and Let Die was the best song. It just edged out Shirley Bassey's Goldfinger and Nobody Does It Better from The Spy Who Loved Me. However, my personal favorite movie will always be Dr. No. As far as Bond stars go: I rank Connery first, Brosnan second, Moore third, Dalton fourth, and Craig fifth. I actually thought Lazenby wasn't bad but didn't rank him since he only did one movie. I like Daniel Craig as an actor, but he's just not suave enough to be Bond. I really hope they keep the franchise going and I think the more recent  films (SPECTRE and Skyfall) are better that the earlier Craig movies. I've heard Craig is doing one more. It will be interesting to see where they go after he retires from playing 007.

I'd still say GOLDFINGER's "greatness" comes from it's being so novel a movie( in those times) and the fact that the novelty resulted in enough box office revenue to keep movie moguls interested enough to keep the character and the franchise going in spite of long having run out of original Fleming Bond material. ;)   Oh, sure..... I still like it, and will always hold it in fond remembrance, but "best" is STILL a matter of subjective opinion

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4 hours ago, Sepiatone said:

I'd still say GOLDFINGER's "greatness" comes from it's being so novel a movie( in those times) and the fact that the novelty resulted in enough box office revenue to keep movie moguls interested enough to keep the character and the franchise going in spite of long having run out of original Fleming Bond material. ;)   Oh, sure..... I still like it, and will always hold it in fond remembrance, but "best" is STILL a matter of subjective opinion

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What then do you consider to be the "best" Bond movie?

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I must confess that I can scarcely remember which scene belongs in which Bond movie. Until the recent "dark" and "serious" ones, they all run together in a blur. The all have James Bond, beautiful women, gadgets, great credit sequences, and evil villains. To my mind, none of the directors has imposed his "authorship" on the formula, which is not necessarily a bad thing.

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I don't know which Bond movie is the best, but Goldfinger is one of my favorites, along with Dr. No and From Russia With Love, Diamonds Are Forever, and The Spy Who Loved Me.

I prefer Sean Connery as Bond, but I like Roger Moore, too, even if his movies in general are not as good as Connery's.

My favorite Bond theme song is definitely The Spy Who Loved Me, followed very closely by A View To A Kill and Goldfinger

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20 hours ago, TheCid said:

What then do you consider to be the "best" Bond movie?

Actually, I refuse to even TRY to answer that, as, like ARSAN above me here, I like the Bond movies he posted in bold equally, with the exception of "The Spy Who Loved Me", which I've never seen.  Which means, since NOT having seen ALL the Bond movies, my attempt to proclaim a "best" would be pointless and of little value.  

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The film that made me a Bond fan was the first one I ever saw - You Only Live Twice.

After that I was running to second run cinemas to catch up with the four previous Bond films.

I like Roger Moore as Bond, as well, even if Connery will always be the man to me. The Spy Who Loved Me and Octopussy are my two favourite Moores (in spite of that scene in which Bond is disguised as a circus clown in Octopussy - demeaning to Bond's smooth image - then, again, I hate clowns anyway).

Of the Pierce Brosnan Bonds that I've seen none made an impression upon me, nor did Brosnan. He's bland. Licence to Kill was the better of the two Timothy Daltons but it's still not a film I much care for.

George Lazenby's On Her Majesty's Secret Service has some of the best action sequences of any of the early Bonds.

Daniel Craig's more brutish Bond is highlighted by Casino Royale (though the thing goes on far too long) and Skyfall (again, too long).

Overall favourite Bond film: Goldfinger, with the more straight forward, less gimmicky From Russia With Love my second choice.

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3 hours ago, TomJH said:

and Octopussy are my two favourite Moores (in spite of that scene in which Bond is disguised as a circus clown in Octopussy - demeaning to Bond's smooth image

And the scene where he tells an Indian tiger "Sit!", and it immediately does...Ohh, the humor.

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