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Last night I watched the Universal western MONEY WOMEN AND GUNS (1958). 

There is no page for this film on wiki. There's a page with plenty of info on the IMDb.

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So it makes you wonder why some films are neglected on wiki.

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"MONEY, WOMEN AND GUNS". Sounds like a campaign slogan. :P

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1 minute ago, Zea said:

"MONEY, WOMEN AND GUNS". Sounds like a campaign slogan. :P

The original title was MONEY WOMEN AND DREAMS. Which also could've been a slogan!

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Sorry to step on the excellent point you brought up about some movies slipping under Wiki's radar. 

But I just couldn't help myself. I needed to make myself laugh. I was in a 'supremely' depressed mood this morning.

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3 minutes ago, Zea said:

Sorry to step on the excellent point you brought up about some movies slipping under Wiki's radar. 

MONEY WOMEN AND GUNS stars Jock Mahoney. And in fact I noticed that several of the films he made at Universal in the 1950s do not have wiki pages:

I'VE LIVED BEFORE
SHOWDOWN AT ABILENE
SLIM CARTER
JOE DAKOTA
THE LAST OF THE FAST GUNS

These are all good films. I'VE LIVED BEFORE is truly unique and features Ann Harding's last movie role.

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1 hour ago, Zea said:

"MONEY, WOMEN AND GUNS". Sounds like a campaign slogan. :P

Yeah, or an old Warren Zevon song.

(...wait...that was "Lawyers, Guns and Money", wasn't it...sorry, never mind) ;)

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1 hour ago, TopBilled said:

MONEY WOMEN AND GUNS stars Jock Mahoney. And in fact I noticed that several of the films he made at Universal in the 1950s do not have wiki pages:

I'VE LIVED BEFORE
SHOWDOWN AT ABILENE
SLIM CARTER
JOE DAKOTA
THE LAST OF THE FAST GUNS

These are all good films. I'VE LIVED BEFORE is truly unique and features Ann Harding's last movie role.

Yeah TB, but I noticed there IS at least a Wiki page for Yancy Derringer. 

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3 hours ago, Zea said:

Sorry to step on the excellent point you brought up about some movies slipping under Wiki's radar. 

But I just couldn't help myself. I needed to make myself laugh. I was in a 'supremely' depressed mood this morning.

Zea ... I've said before, Jimmy has a song for everything. This one is for you.

 

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I found a film that doesn't have a wikipedia page - "One Hour To Live" (1939).  I think that fans of the stars of films or the director may make pages for them, and if the film has no big stars or director by today's standards, they get left by the wayside. Universal's obscure B "Emergency Squad" (1940) has no big name stars in it, but Edward Dmytyrk directed it, and it has a wikipedia page.

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A few of the Mack Sennett shorts and those type of silent movies that TCM has shown do not have Wikipedia pages also. 

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Wikipedia and IMDb are useful for quick reference, but I don't rely very much on them as trustworthy sources of information because sometimes the information is not well supported (I have found contradictory trivia on a IMDb page for the same entry) or because, like in this case, there is no entry for a movie.

When I'm researching a movie or if I want to double-check information I found on Wikipedia or IMDb, I use the AFI catalog. The entries have plenty of information regarding cast, crew, synopsis, production notes, etc.

Here is the entry for Money, Women and Guns:

https://catalog.afi.com/Catalog/MovieDetails/52669?cxt=filmography

 

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Does anybody know of any films or TV shows that are omitted from imdb? I haven't found one yet, and I go looking for some obscure stuff over there.

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1 minute ago, calvinnme said:

Does anybody know of any films or TV shows that are omitted from imdb? I haven't found one yet, and I go looking for some obscure stuff over there.

I've run across a few that I've watched that weren't on IMDb. Very obscure low budget horror flicks, and a couple of Chinese kung fu movies. 

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53 minutes ago, Arsan404 said:

Wikipedia and IMDb are useful for quick reference, but I don't rely very much on them as trustworthy sources of information because sometimes the information is not well supported (I have found contradictory trivia on a IMDb page for the same entry) or because, like in this case, there is no entry for a movie.

When I'm researching a movie or if I want to double-check information I found on Wikipedia or IMDb, I use the AFI catalog. The entries have plenty of information regarding cast, crew, synopsis, production notes, etc.

Here is the entry for Money, Women and Guns:

https://catalog.afi.com/Catalog/MovieDetails/52669?cxt=filmography

 

Thanks. I guess I never thought to check the AFI website.

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1 hour ago, calvinnme said:

I found a film that doesn't have a wikipedia page - "One Hour To Live" (1939).  I think that fans of the stars of films or the director may make pages for them, and if the film has no big stars or director by today's standards, they get left by the wayside. Universal's obscure B "Emergency Squad" (1940) has no big name stars in it, but Edward Dmytyrk directed it, and it has a wikipedia page.

My guess is that auteur theorists created the pages for the well-regarded directors (like Dmytryk). They built a filmography and then separate pages for the main titles. Fans of actors did the same for the stars. But in Mahoney's case, there are so many omissions. He doesn't even have a full filmography on his wiki page, and like I said, much of his output at Universal in the 50s is either not listed, or else if if it is listed, there is no page for the individual movies. I don't know why he's been so overlooked/neglected on wiki.

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20 minutes ago, TopBilled said:

My guess is that auteur theorists created the pages for the well-regarded directors (like Dmytryk). They built a filmography and then separate pages for the main titles. Fans of actors did the same for the stars. But in Mahoney's case, there are so many omissions. He doesn't even have a full filmography on his wiki page, and like I said, much of his output at Universal in the 50s is either not listed, or else if if it is listed, there is no page for the individual movies. I don't know why he's been so overlooked/neglected on wiki. 

He was overlooked because he had the unfortunate luck to make films at Universal, the place where classic films go to die in obscurity....unless you are a film directed by Steven Spielberg, or an Abbott and Costello film, or a classic franchise monster film.

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19 minutes ago, calvinnme said:

He was overlooked because he had the unfortunate luck to make films at Universal, the place where classic films go to die in obscurity....unless you are a film directed by Steven Spielberg, or an Abbott and Costello film, or a classic franchise monster film.

Most films wind up in obscurity...until they are rediscovered.

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The **** has hit the fan. Actually there is a Portuguese Wiki entry for this

movie, which is easily translated into English. It is very brief with a one

sentence synopsis and a cast list and then a few references. The way is

open for someone to start an English one. 

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1 hour ago, TopBilled said:

Most films wind up in obscurity...until they are rediscovered.

TopBilled, I do have to take my hat off to Warner Brothers in this area. They put a great deal of their stuff - even obscure stuff - out to the public either through streaming, or in the old days DVD, or now the Warner Archive, and then of course there is TCM. You can buy DVDs of "Dancing Sweeties", "Lights of New York", and obscure TV shows via Warner Brothers. They actually put out a pressed DVD of the great silent "The Big Parade" complete with commentary. Who knows if that will change when AT&T really takes over and starts to change things. Goodbye Kate Hepburn and Gary Cooper, hello unmemorable actors and actresses from the present who would make great underwear models but just do not inspire, along with all of the stupid 21st century rom coms which always include a clueless overweight porn addicted father figure.

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1 minute ago, calvinnme said:

TopBilled, I do have to take my hat off to Warner Brothers in this area. They put a great deal of their stuff - even obscure stuff - out to the public either through streaming, or in the old days DVD, or now the Warner Archive, and then of course there is TCM. You can buy DVDs of "Dancing Sweeties", "Lights of New York", and obscure TV shows via Warner Brothers. They actually put out a pressed DVD of the great silent "The Big Parade" complete with commentary. Who knows if that will change when AT&T really takes over and starts to change things. Goodbye Kate Hepburn and Gary Cooper, hello unmemorable actors and actresses from the present who would make great underwear models but just do not inspire, along with all of the stupid 21st century rom coms which always include a clueless overweight porn addicted father figure.

Modern archetypes differ greatly from the kinds of people who populated films in the 30s and 40s, that's for sure.

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"Coming up on TMZ, Justin Bieber gets engaged to Scott Baio's daughter, Bruce Jenner poses topless for Ladies' Golf Digest, and why Wikipedia hates Jock Mahoney."

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Actually, Justin Bieber just got engaged to the daughter of Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger. No kidding.

Anyone can create a Wikipedia page, I think? If you're unhappy a certain movie is unrepresented, and you know enough about that movie to create a page, then do so!

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9 minutes ago, sewhite2000 said:

Actually, Justin Bieber just got engaged to the daughter of Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger. No kidding.

Anyone can create a Wikipedia page, I think? If you're unhappy a certain movie is unrepresented, and you know enough about that movie to create a page, then do so!

Bieber's engaged to Stephen Baldwin's daughter, not Alec's. She is Alec's niece, though.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to stick my head in the oven for knowing this information.

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