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TO TCM & TO THE FELLOW FANS 2 WORDS> KAY FRANCIS???

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I recall posting as to how, why & all that jazz concerning "King of Movie Cool: Steve McQueen"

Had yet since 1994- been chosen as tcm's "Star of the Month"-(STOTM)

0f course many made light, due to him not making enough films at 28

Many, including>Harlow, Lombard, W.C. Mae West, Marx Bros. Marilyn, Valentino, J.D., *N. Shearer & others either made less, or exact same as McQueen However, they were easily given tcm's honor of "STOTM?"

Now you guys outdid yourself-(REMEMBER JUST MY OPINION!) By choosing>Kay Francis as "STOTM" for the month of Sept W.H.Y.???

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I'm sure they did it just to **** you off.

 

It's funny that we usually have people here whining and moaning that the SOTM and Summer Under the Stars choices are the "same" well-known stars. But when TCM go out of the box and pick somebody like a Kay Francis, we still get wailing in agony.

 

How dare TCM not cater to you personally by not selecting your personal favorite as Star of the Month? Doesn't tcmprogrammer know that the channel exists just for the whims of one lonely internet poster?

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I think Kay Francis was a superb choice for STOM.... She was a big star, made a lot of films, and was hugely popular.

 

Part of TCM's "duty" is to ensure that stars like Kay Francis don't fall into oblivion because they are not seen as "marketable" by the DVD companies. Without the DVD bling we get for other "classic" stars, the likes of Kay Francis are dependent on classy TCM. Showing an occasional film doesn't quite cut it. But Kay's STOM tenure is getting a lot of good attention.

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Right on, Ed!!!!! You tell it man! Kay is great and TCM deserves many thanks for airing a month-long celebration of this wonderful actress!!!!

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I have to say I never really noticed her. All the greats, Davis, Hepburn, Shearer, Crawford, Russell and all the others seemed more in present than Kay. I remember seeing her occasionally but never with this much focus. What an actor! Wow! It's really rare to discover someone new in the classic range, and I really have to thank TCM for presenting Kay! Gorgeous and elegant, intelligent and graceful, she's a joy to watch and no shrinking violet. She has strength and fortitude to beat the band!!!!

 

Thanks TCM, here's a whole career of films I've never seen!!!

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The "Wavishing" Kay Francis....I never noticed her either till this month and WOW! What a fire ball! Since I started watching her films I ran out and bought her biography "I Can't Wait to be Forgotten".

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I'm glad to see I'm not the only person not to have ever heard of Kay Francis, before this month. I'm old enough to at least have heard of most of the leading actors and actresses, going back to the 1930's. She sure grabbed my attention--the first movie I watched was 'Another Dawn', with Errol Flynn. She definitely had a presence and plenty of charisma. I've also enjoyed some of her movies with George Brent.

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I'm glad they gave her a month, as well. And like Ed says, hopefully it'll parlay into some kind of DVD set, even if it's not "remasters".

She was huge in her time, for sure. I guess I'm just barely old enough to remember relatives using "pop references" centered around her. My grand parents, maybe, having to do with elegance and 20's chic.

I first saw her as a kid in the Marx's Hollywood debut effort, "The Cocoanuts". And while some may feel this early soundie/talkie/musical is "crazy dated", it introduced a whole lot of people to Groucho and the boys, the potential for "big musical" on film, and Irving Berlin.

And not completely lost on me was this exotic looking American Girl. Tall and beautiful, short haired, using men, drinking, smoking, and dressed to the nines, this lady was "flapper incarnate".

Having some sort of 'base fascination' with this particular period of 'Americana', Kay Francis was the only flapper I had ever been able to see visualized on film up to that point in my life.

I should also mention that in "The Cocoanuts", there is a definite 'before the crash' giddiness that wasn't as accessible in most 'depression era' films. It was pretty much the oldest film of it's kind that regularly ran on television back then, and thieves and legal thieves(real estate) all scamming each other probably was an accurate depiction of the days attitude.

All that to hammer home the point of: Kay Francis was the image in my head underneath the word "flapper".

In the 30's films of Kays, I always visualize her as a bit older than say, the Crawford type roles. Just a bit. Most other 30's 'chicks' represented to me a 20-24 age group, whereas Kay represented 24-28. The world weary flapper whose indiscretions lead to suffering and heartache. And this was clearly the 'meat and potatoes' of her persona, her film legacy. When I consider that the ebullient 20's were a distant memory to most by 1935, it's easy for me to see why Warners at least thought they could get by without her.

She did OK though, and apparently didn't suffer from regret. And while I'm not the type who would consider every Francis movie some kind of classic, she absolutely had a fairly big niche in her time. She was the highest paid actress in Hollywood for about 5 years, and was great box-office.

She didn't make a whole lot of noise when her run ended, and settled in and lived the rest of her life.

I really can't imagine why someone would not think she 'rated' a SOTM at TCM.

Largely forgotten, yet huge in her day. I've enjoyed seeing some of these films, not so much some others, but, then again, I don't imagine we'll get a chance anytime soon after this.

And like I said, when I think 'flapper', I see Kay Francis, going back to when I was kid.

Thanks TCM.

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mickeeteeze,

 

The Kay Francis Star of The Month Tribute has been fabulous! I have enjoyed seeing these films greatly. Many of them for the first time! It also gives me hope that other lesser remembered Stars will have their month too eventually. Shame on that guy who thinks that Kay didn't merit her own month! Has He actually watched any of the movies??? Apparently not?

 

Hey, after seeing AN NOTORIOUS AFFAIR (1930), last week, I am screaming for more Billie Dove! When TCM honored Harold Lloyd in April of 2003, gobs of new fans where made, and it led to an eventual 7 disc DVD collection in November of 2005.

 

Still a little bit peeved at TCM though because they didn't even give Anita Page a standard "TCM REMEMBERS" segment when She past away a couple weeks back. That just was not fair! Probably budget cuts again, or maybe they are limited to only so many of these during any given year?

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"Hey, after seeing AN NOTORIOUS AFFAIR (1930), last week, I am screaming for more Billie Dove! When TCM honored Harold Lloyd in April of 2003, gobs of new fans where made, and it led to an eventual 7 disc DVD collection in November of 2005."

 

Hopefully that can happen for Billie Dove and Francis. Like I said, even if they are not remasters, just decent prints. They could probably make a buck so long as they didn't press a huge amount.

 

"Still a little bit peeved at TCM though because they didn't even give Anita Page a standard "TCM REMEMBERS" segment when She past away a couple weeks back. That just was not fair! Probably budget cuts again, or maybe they are limited to only so many of these during any given year?"

 

I don't know. I guess it goes back to things we've discussed on the "1929" thread. There seems to be a much more limited interest in early era Hollywood than even 30's-40's-50's, even on this site. And sometimes even TCM "drops the ball". I wonder if the execs over at TCM fully realize that they are the "de facto" stewards of Hollywood film history to most common folks. There are SO MANY films I'm sure I never would have seen had they not shown on TCM. I thing overall, they get a B+/A-, but they do miss it every now and then.

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Well I agree... Page did several spots over the years on varius topics and it's not as if her death caught TCM by surprise. The woman was 98. They should have had someone "in the can" and ready to go. While Page never ranked with the major female stars of her day, she WAS still a popular MGM actress from the late silents thru the mid-30s. If nothing else, Page's role in MGM's breakthrough musical, THE BROADWAY MELODY, which won the Oscar for best film as well as nominations for Bessie Love as best actress and Harry Beaumont as best director, should have assured Page this honor.

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*I really wish TCM had put together some kind of biography about Kay, the way they did for Rita Hayworth & Joan Crawford. It would have been really nice to get more background info than the usual quick 5 min introduction to before each films started.*

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I for one have loved the showing and remembering of Kay Francis during this month. Guess there's no accounting for taste, ey Spence?

 

Message was edited by: CineMaven --Thank you TCM for acknowledging an actress almost forgotten!!

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I have enjoyed the Kay Francis Star of the Month more than any other. I have recorded almost all of the movies shown and have been enjoying them immensely, even the less than stellar. I don't know how TCM can top this one.

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Hi miss Watusi...They may be able to top it, but this has certainly been an enjoyable month for me discovering a star I had put on a shelf.

 

Kay Francis is definitely OFF the shelf for me!

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Carole Lombard next month and there are a few TCM premieres.... but I think the KAY FRANCIS MONTH was about the best TCM has done yet..... Many of these films I've not seen before...

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> {quote:title=drednm wrote:}{quote}

> Carole Lombard next month and there are a few TCM premieres.... but I think the KAY FRANCIS MONTH was about the best TCM has done yet..... Many of these films I've not seen before...

 

That's what has made this SOTM so special for me, too. After all the complaints I've read on these boards about the reshowing of certain classics you'd think everyone would be applauding the fantastic (and mostly new to TCM) Kay Francis movies. My DVR has been getting quite a workout.

 

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yes I've been taping a lot also.... most of these films are not available anywhere else....

 

Kay Francis really ranks with the great star actresses of her time. Even in the crap Warners usually gave her she just jumps off the screen as a vivid persoanlity, another great actress who was equally at home in comedy or drama.

 

What a shame Warners blocked her loan outs. She could have scored some huge successes in major films. And as much as I love Bebe Daniels in 42nd STREET, it would have been fascinating to see Kay in the role of Dorothy Brock.

 

Kay's career was largely one of near misses. DARK VICTORY was bought for her but by the time it was filmed, Kay was out and Bette Davis was in at Warners. The bio I read listed (seemingly) great film after great film that Kay was supposed to do....

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It is great having Kay Francis as SOTM and having three great books come out on her. Now if we could only get her movies on DVD now would be great.

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I have to admit that I've recorded nearly 3 dozen Kay Francis movies this month. (The other titles I already had.) My appreciation for pre-Code movies has grown over the last year and I am thrilled I have so many new-to-me movies, including many pre-Codes, to watch in the coming weeks. (No time to watch them all as they have aired!)

 

Kudos and great thanks to TCM for making available so many rarely seen films. It's been a wonderful "movie education" for this film fan.

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I received two astounding moments looking at the Kay Francis film festival:

 

1. In "The House on 56th Street" there was a shot of two Black men in tuxedoes at the gambling tables in the scene at a Parisian casino. They were not waiters, or butlers. They were patrons like everyone else.

 

2. In "Living On Velvet" the scene where George Brent walks through a party making brief sarcastic comments to different guests. As he comes upon two ladies, one says to the other: "it's exactly like the book 'The Well of Loneliness.' "

 

Well cut me down and call me Shorty!

 

I've taped many of her movies (with not the chance yet to watch them all) this month. I look forward to spending an afternoon watching her films in one fell swoop. Kay Francis has already astounded me with her beauty and clothes sense and talent. I now look forward to being astounded bythe Pre-Code content.

 

Wellllll...now on to American Masters and the Warner Brothers story.

 

Message was edited by: CineMaven-Had to make a change.

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"Kay Francis has already astounded me with her beauty and clothes sense and talent. I now look forward to being astounded bythe Pre-Code content."

 

She was definitely "hot stuff", no doubt. The funny thing is, when I first got TCM on cable a couple of years ago, I was surprised at how little her films were shown. I had no idea the viewings were so rare. I hadn't ever seen most of these films either.

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> {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote}

> Wellllll...now on to American Masters and the Warner Brothers story.

>

 

Watching the whole series on PBS? Hope you enjoy it. I may have to wait until it's on DVD.

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