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8 hours ago, Dargo said:

So Stephan, do you also get that faraway look in your eyes like one of Elaine's old boyfriends here did every time that song comes on the radio?...

Honestly, I don't know Dargo. I've never looked at myself when listening to "Desperado."
I'll have to ask Elaine about that the next time I see her.;)

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Jerry tried out Witch-chay Woman for about half a minute, but it just didn't work.

I liked the Eagles, so did lots of people. They were one of the most popular American

bands of the 1970s.

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16 hours ago, Fedya said:

Someone likes the Eagles?  I reach for the buttons to change the station any time one of their songs comes on.

OK, I'll bite----

I always kind of liked The Eagles ever since seeing them open for (of all groups) The Mahavishnu Orchestra in '72.

LIKED them, but never really became one of the rabid fans of theirs we hear from these days.  And subsequently, the only time I reach for the radio button to change the station is when "Hotel California" comes on.  WHY Eagles fans love that turkey is beyond me.  

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My take on this whole love or hate the Eagles thing has always been:

The further east in this country from Pacific Coast Highway your formative years were spent, the less likely it is you're going to like that rock band's music. And similarly, the further west in this country from the Hudson River your formative years were spent, the less likely it is you're going to like Billy Joel's music.

(...kind'a makes sense here, doesn't it?!) 

;)

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And I think we can all agree it's a mystery why anybody likes Bruce Springsteen.

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1 hour ago, Dargo said:

My take on this whole love or hate the Eagles thing has always been:

The further east in this country from Pacific Coast Highway your formative years were spent, the less likely it is you're going to like that rock band's music. And similarly, the further west in this country from the Hudson River your formative years were spent, the less likely it is you're going to like Billy Joel's music.

(...kind'a makes sense here, doesn't it?!) 

;)

The Eagles have always been very popular in my neck of the woods, and you don't get much further away from the PCH. I think it's the country-rock vibe. I used to joke that every house I visited that had a visible music collection, somewhere in there were either the Eagles Greatest Hits Volume One and/or Volume Two. 

Personally, I could take them or leave them. They have a couple of songs that I didn't mind, but nothing I wanted to hear often. 

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I just read a few days ago that the Eagles first Greatest Hits album has resumed its spot

as the best selling album, surpassing Michael Jackson's Thriller. They seem to alternate

as number one and two and change every few years. I guess it's a bit of a cheat as it's

a greatest hits album versus a studio album. The Eagles were pretty popular during the

1970s no matter where one lived. I have most of their albums, though I don't listen to

them very much anymore. And don't mess with the Boss. :)

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I never considered Bruce to be "the boss", as 'round these parts we've been listening to the type of music HE did from Bob Seger for several years BEFORE Bruce hit the scene.  ;)

Yeah in some contrast to Darg's idea, a "love" for the Eagles here in Detroit was a 50-50 proposition.  They did make some points by having native Michigander GLENN FREY in the line up.

And personally, I always DID like Billy Joel, but did know and understand some people's dislike of him

and BTW:  despite it's WAY heavy "hype", I thought "Born In The U.S.A." was Springsteen's WORST LP and song!

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9 hours ago, Sepiatone said:

I never considered Bruce to be "the boss", as 'round these parts we've been listening to the type of music HE did from Bob Seger for several years BEFORE Bruce hit the scene.  ;)

Yeah in some contrast to Darg's idea, a "love" for the Eagles here in Detroit was a 50-50 proposition.  They did make some points by having native Michigander GLENN FREY in the line up.

And personally, I always DID like Billy Joel, but did know and understand some people's dislike of him

and BTW:  despite it's WAY heavy "hype", I thought "Born In The U.S.A." was Springsteen's WORST LP and song!

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Well that has become his nickname. Don't know if he started that himself or if someone gave

him that handle. That's the only reason I used it. I like the Eagles, Billy Joel, and Springsteen,

though I don't listen to them very much anymore. The Born in the U.S.A. album was pretty

good, despite all the hype at the time. I wouldn't call it his best album, just his most popular.

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Boy oh boy! I guess there's goes my whole earlier "Eagles/Billy Joel Regionalism Theory", eh?! ;)

 

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Welcome to the Hotel Non-California. I still think there's something to your theory, just

that artists who are very popular tend to be popular everywhere, but Billy Joel is still seen

as a NYC kind of guy and the Eagles as California dudes.

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And there's more odd stuff involved.

 

As I stated, The Eagles were mostly( but as also stated, not always) warmly here in the "D", as one main founding member WAS a local boy, and did too, wear a STARK HICKEY, FORD service shirt on stage(Hickey at the time being the area's largest Ford dealer).  And too, we all mostly considered them as "Country-rockers", not necessarily "Californina guys".  We DID however, reserve that type of thinking for bands like Jefferson Airplane, The Doors, Grateful Dead and like that.  Any who made BEING from California a bigger deal than t probably was.  And too;

Although I didn't (and still don't) have any use for "Hotel Catatonia" ( ;) Um....California....), I mostly saw it as a "slam" of the over-hyped and probably too, overrated California "lifestyle". 

And too, despite liking him from jump, Billy Joel did too seem to "overdo" the New York thing.  ;)

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10 hours ago, Sepiatone said:

And there's more odd stuff involved.

 

As I stated, The Eagles were mostly( but as also stated, not always) warmly here in the "D", as one main founding member WAS a local boy, and did too, wear a STARK HICKEY, FORD service shirt on stage(Hickey at the time being the area's largest Ford dealer).  And too, we all mostly considered them as "Country-rockers", not necessarily "Californina guys".  We DID however, reserve that type of thinking for bands like Jefferson Airplane, The Doors, Grateful Dead and like that.  Any who made BEING from California a bigger deal than t probably was.  And too;

Although I didn't (and still don't) have any use for "Hotel Catatonia" ( ;) Um....California....), I mostly saw it as a "slam" of the over-hyped and probably too, overrated California "lifestyle". 

And too, despite liking him from jump, Billy Joel did too seem to "overdo" the New York thing.  ;)

Sepiatone

Of course they did play a lot of country rock, but they also had that California vibe,

especially with The Hotel California album. The sort of rock royalty thing the punks  

hated. Joel did like to remind people he was a New Yorker but I guess that went with

the territory.

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Joel's "Piano Man" has been a favorite of mine ever since I first heard it back in '73!

Billy Joel - Piano Man (Video)


 

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On 9/3/2018 at 9:39 AM, Dargo said:

My take on this whole love or hate the Eagles thing has always been:

The further east in this country from Pacific Coast Highway your formative years were spent, the less likely it is you're going to like that rock band's music.

 

I grew up literally one mile from PCH yet, I never cared for that band. I like the genre, many of the members solo projects. But, not the group. Just too bland for me.

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13 hours ago, Stephan55 said:

Joel's "Piano Man" has been a favorite of mine ever since I first heard it back in '73!

Billy Joel - Piano Man (Video)


 

Still can't access most videos, but familiar with the song, and too, became a fan with it too.

BTW:  Whenever the Detroit Red Wings play a Saturday night game, whenever it's 9 0'clock, the guy who does the sound for the team plays joel's "Piano Man".  Situation permitting of course.  ;)

And true, I've NEVER noticed any particular "California vibe" from The Eagles.  Especially since NONE of the founding members were from California to begin with.  And I'd stress that just having the word "California" in a song title doesn't make it so.  Or any kind of reference to it.  Just like Maria Muldaur's "Midnight At The Oasis" doesn't have any Middle Eastern "vibe".  ;)

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6 hours ago, Sepiatone said:

Still can't access most videos, but familiar with the song, and too, became a fan with it too.

BTW:  Whenever the Detroit Red Wings play a Saturday night game, whenever it's 9 0'clock, the guy who does the sound for the team plays joel's "Piano Man".  Situation permitting of course.  ;)

And true, I've NEVER noticed any particular "California vibe" from The Eagles.  Especially since NONE of the founding members were from California to begin with.  And I'd stress that just having the word "California" in a song title doesn't make it so.  Or any kind of reference to it.  Just like Maria Muldaur's "Midnight At The Oasis" doesn't have any Middle Eastern "vibe".  ;)

Sepiatone

Wait now, Sepia! You're kidding here, right?!

So, you're sayin' lyrics like "send your camel to bed" doesn't have any "Middle Eastern vibe" to it???

Well I don't know about Michigan, but even here in the desert of Arizona, the only camels I know of that exist are in the Phoenix zoo!

(...and I don't think there's a whole lot of sons of Sultans around here either!)

 ;)

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They all ended up in California and were associated with California, usually the

fast lane, fast living side. Some of that might have been hype, but it was there.

I just like the band, wherever they are from. 

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17 hours ago, Dargo said:

Wait now, Sepia! You're kidding here, right?!

So, you're sayin' lyrics like "send your camel to bed" doesn't have any "Middle Eastern vibe" to it???

Well I don't know about Michigan, but even here in the desert of Arizona, the only camels I know of that exist are in the Phoenix zoo!

(...and I don't think there's a whole lot of sons of Sultans around here either!)

 ;)

Now, DARG;

You know I was referring to the SOUND and  style of the music, right? 

And too, that's the good thing about America I guess.

anybody can BUY anything, or drink ANY FLAVOR KOOL-ADE they wish!  ;)

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I have been away too long and didn't realize we had threads like this. Not surprised at all that it got far off topic, since this isn't something many posters like discussing with any seriousness.

Did cover some of this topic on the "time line" on page 3 of this thread: 

To be honest, nudist films were seldom very good or even cinematic. It is difficult to determine which director or cameraman involved in these was worthy of Hitchcock or Welles status. Actually hard core pornographic films of the 1970s are much more interesting, not so much because they are more explicit but because there was more skill in camera work and story telling involved... at least during its brief "golden age" before stay-at-home-and-watch VHS focused ALL attention on The Act itself and nothing else.

The earliest nudie docs were apparently made by the major German companies; I think Variety reviewed one UFA import around 1927 but I can't remember the title off hand. The emphasis was more on female nudity than male, but the men were dropping trou in a couple mainstream dramatic films made in Europe during the late twenties and early thirties with little fuss. Some like G.W. Pabst's Kameradschaft (1931) and Jean Vigo's Zero De Conduite (1933) even had fleeting P-P shots. As expected, it was distributors in the  United States and other non-European countries that were the prudes. (Japan didn't even allow kissing in their films before 1947.)

This Nude World (1933) was the most popular of the American releases, getting plenty of attention from the press when it succeeded in a few major theaters just before the Production Code took over. The narrator was a radio familiar (and voice in many thirties Warner Brothers shorts) Leo Donnelly. You can buy it cheap from Alpha Video or view a murky copy online. For its time, it isn't all that bad and actually shows quite a bit of nudity, mostly from the back end.

Garden Of Eden (1954) was the first in color, the first to get advertised in BoxOffice magazine and other periodicals and eventually the first to get past all of the censorship laws. It all ended with one final court case held on the federal level in 1957 that ruled that nudity by itself in films was not "obscene". Then came the mass flood of copycats, followed by those of Russ Meyer (i.e. The Immoral Mr. Teas, 1959) that added a plot and the humorous label of "nudie cuties". ("Roughies" involved less nudity but more questionable violence and were shown in the same drive-in "dives" that kiddies weren't permitted.)

The first American nudist documentary to show full nudity without volleyballs covering the private parts was John Lamb's The Raw Ones, which opened in a few inner city theaters starting December 1965, right around the time that Andy Warhol was starting a fuss with his New York City exclusives such as My Hustler. Speaking of Warhol, you also have to parallel the history of nudist docs with the long stretch of avant garde experimentals that were uncensored by The Code because they were shown exclusively at film festivals to an "art crowd" and not to Middle America. These range from Willard Maas' Geography Of The Body (made in 1943) to the early works of James Broughton such as The Bed (filmed in 1967 but shown February 1968 exclusively in San Francisco for a while) and were not in the same class as the 16mm and 8mm "blue movies" sold under the counter in camera stores for bachelor parties in the 1950s and '60s.

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On 8/30/2018 at 8:20 PM, Dargo said:

Ya know, I've always wondered when the word "alleged" can be legitimated replaced with the word "confirmed"? ;)

And 'cause, I'm pretty sure a see a couple of "cheeks" and a "crack" on ol' Cornel during the long shots of him running away here...

 

Dargo, first let me thank you for this lovely bit of film of Cornel galloping across the fields!

After considerate exposure to the piece of film, and repeated viewings I have come to the conclusion that Cornel is mostly wearing flesh-colored undies. I think if you focus your eyes on a certain area, you will notice that unlike in reality, he has a flesh-colored frontal area which is unmarred by any projecting body parts, a bit like a Ken Doll. Now I do have experience in this field, since when I worked in advertising for a big department store, I got to proof all the men's underwear photos before they went to print in the big color mailer, and if there were any shadowy protrusions noted, I was to send the photos back to the air-brushing unit to remove such indicators of underthings, if you get my drift. Now it was hard work, but someone had to do it, and I feel no shame. I also noticed that if you watch carefully, that near the end where the guy shoots the spear or whatever at Cornel that as Wilde turns, you can see the edge of something black that he seems to be wearing, at a waist-high spot, which means he was probably not running in the altogether in most shots. Nevertheless, I do thank you for posting such a memorable adjunct to my nudist camp post, as it was enlightening and entertaining.

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On 9/3/2018 at 7:34 AM, Sepiatone said:

OK, I'll bite----

I always kind of liked The Eagles ever since seeing them open for (of all groups) The Mahavishnu Orchestra in '72.

LIKED them, but never really became one of the rabid fans of theirs we hear from these days.  And subsequently, the only time I reach for the radio button to change the station is when "Hotel California" comes on.  WHY Eagles fans love that turkey is beyond me.  

Sepiatone

Of course we've all heard the Eagles singing "Hotel California" all pretty and such, with nice touches by Glenn Frey, but the first time I ever actually listened to the words was when as a joke, I bought the William Hung album, that had it on it. He's sour, he can't really sing, he mispronounces words and could even be tone deaf or just using a different tonal scale, but I gotta say, Hung's version of "Hotel California" is so eerie, creepy and frightening that...well, I just love it. I bet it's on Youtube for any who have missed the joy of owning the album. I also own William Hung's Christmas album, which also brings good cheer to the holidays, almost as much as hearing Hoss sing "Deck the Halls" on the Ponderosa Christmas album, which is a classic.

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8 hours ago, CaveGirl said:

Dargo, first let me thank you for this lovely bit of film of Cornel galloping across the fields!

After considerate exposure to the piece of film, and repeated viewings I have come to the conclusion that Cornel is mostly wearing flesh-colored undies. I think if you focus your eyes on a certain area, you will notice that unlike in reality, he has a flesh-colored frontal area which is unmarred by any projecting body parts, a bit like a Ken Doll. Now I do have experience in this field, since when I worked in advertising for a big department store, I got to proof all the men's underwear photos before they went to print in the big color mailer, and if there were any shadowy protrusions noted, I was to send the photos back to the air-brushing unit to remove such indicators of underthings, if you get my drift. Now it was hard work, but someone had to do it, and I feel no shame. I also noticed that if you watch carefully, that near the end where the guy shoots the spear or whatever at Cornel that as Wilde turns, you can see the edge of something black that he seems to be wearing, at a waist-high spot, which means he was probably not running in the altogether in most shots. Nevertheless, I do thank you for posting such a memorable adjunct to my nudist camp post, as it was enlightening and entertaining.

Different situation with Tarzan The Magnificent, but I will allow you to investigate the YouTube montage "Tarzan (Gordon Scott) loincloth malfunctions" on your own to determine if he is magnificent or not.

In movie theaters, nobody noticed at 24 frames per second, but VHS, laserdisc and DVD prompted a whole new audience of investigative eyes with the ability to freeze-frame. The Disney company, in particular, panicked when it made other discoveries on The Rescuers (1977) and Who Framed Roger Rabbit? (1988).

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16 hours ago, CaveGirl said:

Of course we've all heard the Eagles singing "Hotel California" all pretty and such, with nice touches by Glenn Frey, but the first time I ever actually listened to the words was when as a joke, I bought the William Hung album, that had it on it. He's sour, he can't really sing, he mispronounces words and could even be tone deaf or just using a different tonal scale, but I gotta say, Hung's version of "Hotel California" is so eerie, creepy and frightening that...well, I just love it. I bet it's on Youtube for any who have missed the joy of owning the album. I also own William Hung's Christmas album, which also brings good cheer to the holidays, almost as much as hearing Hoss sing "Deck the Halls" on the Ponderosa Christmas album, which is a classic.

So(to repeat an old joke), did the girls love WILLIAM HUNG until they found out he wasn't, or what?  ;)

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