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Trump & the Saudis?

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3 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Seth AbramsonVerified account @SethAbramson 48m48 minutes ago

 

Khashoggi's death is a tragedy. But its tragedy mustn't lead to confusion over its cause.

Khashoggi was banned from Saudi media in 2016 for criticizing President-elect Trump

 

—specifically the Crown Prince's (pre-election) plan to enter into a Mideast Marshall Plan with the Trumps.

Seth AbramsonVerified account @SethAbramson 35m35 minutes ago

 
 

PS/ "Mideast Marshall Plan" is how some have styled what I here have called the "six-nation grand bargain."

I prefer my construction because the goal of the bargain was money for Trumps—using Qatar as a patsy

—money for Russia,

and "security" for Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Israel.

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Jamal Khashoggi's Last Column Before Disappearance Calls For Free Expression

.....He reflected on the hope that many in the region had in 2011, as uprisings swept through the Middle East, in what has widely been called the Arab Spring.

"Journalists, academics and the general population were brimming with expectations of a bright and free Arab society within their respective countries," Khashoggi wrote. "These expectations were quickly shattered; these societies either fell back to the old status quo or faced even harsher conditions than before."

Khashoggi spoke about increasing crackdowns on journalists by Arab governments. He called for a "platform for Arab voices."

"Through the creation of an independent international forum, isolated from the influence of nationalist governments spreading hate through propaganda, ordinary people in the Arab world would be able to address the structural problems their societies face," he wrote.......

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/18/658581039/jamal-khashoggis-last-column-before-disappearance-calls-for-free-expression?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/10/18/frie-o18.html

Feigning moral outrage, the Times’ Thomas Friedman comes to the defense of the Saudi killer regime

Leave it to Thomas Friedman, the New York Times’ chief foreign affairs commentator, to outdo his colleagues at the nation’s foremost sounding board for CIA propaganda when it comes to hypocrisy and deceit. This he has achieved in an op-ed piece on the murder of Jamal Khashoggi published in Wednesday’s print edition under the headline “America’s Dilemma in Saudi Arabia.”

Friedman played a key role in promoting the unprovoked and illegal US-led invasion and occupation of Iraq in 2003, a war crime that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and laid waste to the entire country. He cavalierly shifted from one pretext to another, penning columns promoting the war as a key front in the post-9/11 “war on terror,” a crusade for democracy in the Middle East and a naked war for oil.

He has since backed every US act of military aggression, including the wars for regime-change in Libya and Syria, which have killed tens of thousands more innocent people, turned millions into homeless refugees, and transformed the entire region into a killing field. He maintains a complicit silence on the US drone murder program and Washington’s key role in the Saudi-led bloodbath in Yemen, which has already killed upwards of 50,000 people and threatens another 14.1 million with starvation, according to the United Nations.

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Conservatives mount a whisper campaign smearing Jamal Khashoggi in defense of Trump

 

......... Those aspersions - which many lawmakers have been wary of stating publicly because of the political risks of doing so - have begun to flare into public view as conservative media outlets have amplified the claims, which are aimed in part at protecting Trump as he works to preserve the U.S.-Saudi relationship and avoid confronting the Saudis on human rights. ...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-conservative-whisper-campaign-khashoggi-20181018-story.html?fbclid=IwAR0Kh7H7S9xuVmtCCkyN19O5hi6SL6V8IF4q8UXLWk7ZzlJjXNVGM5z4J-o

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Jamal Khashoggi died in fight at Istanbul consulate, Saudi state TV claims

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/world/saudi-arabia-khashoggi-intl/index.html?utm_content=2018-10-19T22%3A32%3A22&utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social

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Ted LieuVerified account @tedlieu 50m50 minutes ago

 

The Saudi Arabia story that Khashoggi would get into a fist fight with up to 18 Saudis,

many of whom are trained killers, is ridiculous on its face.

 

Oh, and there's that whole bone saw thing.

:rolleyes:

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Brian KlaasVerified account @brianklaas 2h2 hours ago

 
 

Yes—that totally explains why they had a team of 15 men on site;

why they lied about him leaving the consulate alive; why they didn’t call an ambulance;

why they floated the “rogue killer“ lie;

why they secretly disposed of his body.

 

This is another stupid, absurd, depraved lie.

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Jamal Khashoggi’s Murder Could Drive Congress to Finally End Support for Brutal Saudi War in Yemen

 

......55 members of Congress, led by Reps. Mark Pocan, D-Wis., and Ro Khanna, D-Calif., wrote to the director of national intelligence, Dan Coats, asking whether the intelligence community knew about a plot to apprehend Khashoggi ahead of time, and whether the U.S. government fulfilled its “duty to warn” him.

The letter — the text of which was already made public by Khanna and Pocan — states that the DNI’s answers will inform coming votes on the Yemen war.

“We look forward to your timely response to our inquiry as both the House of Representatives and the Senate consider privileged resolutions this fall … which invoke Congress’s sole constitutional authority over the offensive use of force to end illegal U.S. military participation with Saudi Arabia in Yemen,” the letter reads. It also promises to “use the full force of Congressional oversight and investigatory powers” if the Trump administration does not respond.....

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/22/jamal-khashoggi-saudi-arabia-yemen-congress/

:unsure:

 

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-khashoggi-canada/canadian-pm-says-it-would-be-hard-to-scrap-big-saudi-arms-deal-idUSKCN1MX1Z4

Canadian PM says it would be hard to scrap big Saudi arms deal

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, under pressure to punish Saudi Arabia after the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, said on Tuesday it would be very hard to scrap an arms deal with Riyadh worth up to $13 billion as critics have demanded.

Trudeau said the 2014 agreement for light armored vehicles, signed by Canada’s previous Conservative government and a Canadian unit of U.S. weapons maker General Dynamics Corp, had been written in such a way that taxpayers would have to pay a large amount of money to end it.

 

“The contract signed by the previous government ... makes it very difficult to suspend or leave that contract,” Trudeau told the Canadian Broadcasting Corp, saying his Liberal administration was looking at a number of options.

Trudeau said that “I do not want to leave Canadians holding a billion-dollar bill because we’re trying to move forward on doing the right thing.” Trudeau added that he found it “incredibly frustrating” that the terms of the contract with the Saudis meant he could not discuss it in more detail.

The opposition left-leaning New Democrats said on Monday in Parliament that Canadashould not be arming the Saudis when they are attacking civilian targets in the war in Yemen. The New Democrats, who will be competing for the same voters as Trudeau in 2019 elections, last week called the Khashoggi matter “the latest addition in a series of horrible acts by Saudi Arabia.”

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POLITICOVerified account @politico

Saudi Arabia’s top prosecutor is recommending the death penalty for five suspects charged with Jamal Khashoggi's killing

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Seth AbramsonVerified account @SethAbramson 6h6 hours ago

 
 

Man, I really hope every single news outlet that covers this story emphasizes that

this is no more then Mohammed bin Salman putting to death the men he *ordered* to kill a Washington Post journalist.

They are dying so he can stay in power and continue to collude with the Trumps.

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6 hours ago, mr6666 said:

The Washington PostVerified account @washingtonpost 47m47 minutes ago

 
 

The CIA has concluded that the Saudi crown prince ordered Jamal Khashoggi's assassination, people familiar with the matter say

Richard W. Painter @RWPUSA 3h3 hours ago

 
 

Will @realdonaldtrump believe the CIA this time?

 

Or will he 1st tune into FOX News for a briefing?

;)

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https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-israel-gaza-khashoggi-1952586885

Bin Salman 'tried to persuade Netanyahu to go to war in Gaza' say sources

#Khashoggi

War was among scenarios suggested by damage-limitation task force established to advise Saudi crown prince in aftermath of Khashoggi killing

 

Thursday 15 November 2018 11:23 UTC
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Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman attempted to persuade Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to start a conflict with Hamas in Gaza as part of a plan to divert attention from the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, sources inside Saudi Arabia have told Middle East Eye.

A war in Gaza was among a range of measures and scenarios proposed by an emergency task force set up to counter increasingly damaging leaks about Khashoggi's murder coming from Turkish authorities, according to sources with knowledge of the group's activities.

The task force, which is composed of officials from the royal court, the foreign and defence ministries, and the intelligence service, briefs the the crown prince every six hours, MEE was told.

It advised bin Salman that a war in Gaza would distract US President Donald Trump's attention and refocus Washington’s attention on the role Saudi Arabia plays in bolstering Israeli strategic interests.

It also advised bin Salman to “neutralise Turkey by all means” - including attempts to bribe Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan with offers to buy Turkish arms and statements by the crown prince attempting to shore up relations between Riyadh and Ankara.

In comments made at last month's Future Investment Initiative, bin Salman claimed Khashoggi's murder was being used to drive a wedge between Saudi Arabia and Turkey. He said that would not happen "as long as there is a king called King Salman bin Abdelaziz and a crown prince called Mohammed bin Salman in Saudi Arabia".

Khashoggi was brutally killed in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October, in an operation which Turkish authorities believe was carried out by a hit squad whose suspected members contained several members of bin Salman's personal bodyguards.

Saudi officials have denied that the crown prince has "any knowledge whatsoever" of Khashoggi's killing.

Some of the task force’s other recommendations were leaked to a close confidant of bin Salman, Turki Aldakhil, the general manager of the Al Arabiya news channel. He revealed "more than 30 potential measures" that Riyadh could take if Washington imposed sanctions.

He said the kingdom was capable of doubling or tripling the price of oil, of offering Russia a military base in the north of the country, and of turning to both Russia and China as its main arms suppliers.

Aldakhil later dismissed these threats “as his ideas only", but his original article on the Al Arabiya website sources these threats  to “ decision-making circles within the kingdom”. This, MEE can reveal, is the task force set up to advise bin Salman.

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Kyle GriffinVerified account @kylegriffin1

 

Trump on the fallout over the murder of Jamal Khashoggi:

"It's a shame, but it is what it is." (via ABC)

:huh:

-says the former leader of the free world....

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Senator Dick DurbinVerified account @SenatorDurbin 5h5 hours ago

 
 

The President adds to his track record of ignoring his own intelligence agencies,

and undermining American values at home and abroad,

by giving Saudi Arabia a pass for the brutal and premeditated murder of a U.S. resident and journalist.

 

Outrageous

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Joe CirincioneVerified account @Cirincione

 

This is, without a doubt, the most uninformed, imbecilic, toady, poorly-written, categorically untrue statement I have ever seen from a president of the United States.

A complete disgrace.....

READ: Trump's statement on Saudi crown prince and the killing of Jamal Khashoggi

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/20/politics/trump-statement-saudi-khashoggi/index.html

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Pompeo handed Riyadh a plan to shield MBS from Khashoggi fallout, says source

#Khashoggi

US secretary of state gave Mohammed bin Salman a roadmap to insulate himself from the scandal, a senior Saudi source tells MEE

 

.......Pompeo’s plan for the Saudi leadership included several steps, the Saudi source said.

When Pompeo declared on 18 October that Saudi Arabia should be given “a few more days” to complete its investigation into the case, he was giving them time to begin implementing his plan, the source said.

“They [the Saudi leadership] have done everything he wanted to execute,” the source said.

Since Pompeo's visit to Riyadh, the Saudis have allowed Turkish investigators into their Istanbul consulate, offered to coordinate a joint Saudi-Turkish investigation, sent a team to Istanbul to pursue the probe and arrested at least 21 suspects.

The remaining step - pinning the crime on a member of the royal family - may be taken if the arrests of those Saudi suspects don't work to ease the pressure on Riyadh....

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudis-using-pompeos-plan-shield-leadership-khashoggi-fallout-says-source-1684431379

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36 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Pompeo handed Riyadh a plan to shield MBS from Khashoggi fallout, says source

#Khashoggi

US secretary of state gave Mohammed bin Salman a roadmap to insulate himself from the scandal, a senior Saudi source tells MEE

 

.......Pompeo’s plan for the Saudi leadership included several steps, the Saudi source said.

When Pompeo declared on 18 October that Saudi Arabia should be given “a few more days” to complete its investigation into the case, he was giving them time to begin implementing his plan, the source said.

“They [the Saudi leadership] have done everything he wanted to execute,” the source said.

Since Pompeo's visit to Riyadh, the Saudis have allowed Turkish investigators into their Istanbul consulate, offered to coordinate a joint Saudi-Turkish investigation, sent a team to Istanbul to pursue the probe and arrested at least 21 suspects.

The remaining step - pinning the crime on a member of the royal family - may be taken if the arrests of those Saudi suspects don't work to ease the pressure on Riyadh....

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudis-using-pompeos-plan-shield-leadership-khashoggi-fallout-says-source-1684431379

Anne Rumsey GearanVerified account @agearan

 
 

"It's a mean, nasty world out there" @SecPompeo says in explanation of the Khashoggi statement

11:05 AM - 20 Nov 2018 from Washington, DC

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