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Occasional Cortex: Good for Democrats or Bad for Democrats?

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34 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Crusher of Sacred Cows

 

With its silly swipes at AOC, the American political establishment is once again revealing its blindness to its own unpopularity

 

".....We’ve seen this a lot in recent weeks with the ongoing freakout over newcomer Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Lest anyone think any of the above applies to “AOC,” who’s also had a lot to say since arriving in Washington, remember: she won in spite of the party and big donors, not because of them.

That doesn’t make anything she says inherently more or less correct. But it changes the dynamic a bit. All of AOC’s supporters sent her to Washington precisely to make noise. There isn’t a cabal of key donors standing behind her, cringing every time she talks about the Pentagon budget.

She is there to be a pain in the ****, and it’s working. Virtually the entire spectrum of Washington officialdom has responded to her with horror and anguish...........

High priest of conventional wisdom Chris Cillizza, with breathtaking predictability, penned a column comparing her to Donald Trump. He noted the social media profiles of both allow them to “end-run the so-called ‘media filter’ and deliver their preferred message… directly to supporters.”

The latter issue, of course, is the real problem most of Washington has with “AOC”: her self-generated popularity and large social media presence means she doesn’t need to ask anyone’s permission to say anything.....

T hey all think the pronouncements of their own party leaders, and donors, and high-profile commentators at the Times and the Post or CNN, have extraordinary importance. They think this for the obvious reason that most of them owe their political careers to such people. .....

 

I have no idea if Ocasio-Cortez will or will not end up being a great politician. But it’s abundantly clear that her mere presence is unmasking many, if not most, of the worst and most tired Shibboleths of the capital.

Moreover, she’s laying bare the long-concealed fact that many of their core policies are wildly unpopular, and would be overturned in a heartbeat if we could somehow put them all to direct national referendum.....

with these swipes on Ocasio-Cortez, the people defending those ideas don’t realize how powerful a stimulant for change is their own negative attention. If they were smart, they’d ignore her.

Then again, if politicians were smart, they’d also already be representing people, not donors. And they wouldn’t have this problem."

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-media-781571/

Sadly the writer of this article didn't have the guts to mention who 'they' are.    Clearly it is Pelosi and the Dem party establishment,   but the writer wishes to imply 'they' are the GOP.  

Note that Pelosi and the Dem party establishment have mostly been ignoring AOC and will continue to do so (as well as not having any of her ideas put to a vote in the House).

As for the GOP;  of course they're not going to ignore her.   AOC is just what the GOP needs to get back on track in 2020 (e.g.  gain back some of those lost House seats and keep the Senate),  by portraying the Dem party as having moved too far-left.     

Of course will AOC 'play ball' with the Dem party establishment,  especially after being told 'NO' over and over again?    OR will the majority of future negative tweets be directed at the Dem party establishment and it's leaders?        

 

     

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gotta read the WHOLE article....

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" .....Which brings us to elected Democrats, who if anything have been most demonstrative in their AOC freakout.

We had Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-MO) saying, “We don’t need your sniping in our Democratic caucus.” Recently ousted Sen. Claire McCaskill expressed alarm that she’s “the thing” and a “bright shiny new object.” .......

Somehow, three years after the 2016 election, which was as graphic a demonstration of the public’s well-documented disgust with Washington as we’ve ever seen, these waxen functionaries of the political class still don’t understand that their disapproval more often than not counts as an endorsement to most voters.

The Lieberman example is the most amazing. Here’s a person who was explicitly rejected by his own party in 2006 and had to run as an Independent against the Democratic nominee to keep his seat. Yet he somehow still has the stones to opine that if Ocasio-Cortez is the “new face” of the Democrats, the party does not have a “bright future.”

How many Democrats, do you think, heard that and immediately thought the opposite – that if Joe Lieberman disapproves, Ocasio-Cortez must be on the right track? Sixty percent? Seventy?...."

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16 hours ago, mr6666 said:

How many Democrats, do you think, heard that and immediately thought the opposite – that if Joe Lieberman disapproves, Ocasio-Cortez must be on the right track? Sixty percent? Seventy?...."

As for this percentage:  well if one takes Dems that voted in the last 3 elections I would say it is < 20%.

If one takes Dems that just voted in the last election I would say < 40%.

But if one takes Dems on a per state basis,   I would say AOC's positions are supported by a majority of Dems in only 1 in 4 states (or less).   

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22 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

As for this percentage:  well if one takes Dems that voted in the last 3 elections I would say it is < 20%.

If one takes Dems that just voted in the last election I would say < 40%.

But if one takes Dems on a per state basis,   I would say AOC's positions are supported by a majority of Dems in only 1 in 4 states (or less).   

Probably much less. 

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16 minutes ago, Gershwin fan said:

Probably much less. 

Funny but I believed I would get a 'man, you're negative' type reply and instead you believe I'm being generous.

But yea,  these political beat-writers are really clueless.     

 

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As it relates to AOC and Nancy (from CNN today): 
 
Nancy Pelosi isn't all that impressed. Asked about the "Green New Deal" in an interview with Politico on Wednesday, Pelosi dropped this amazing bit of shade on it:
"It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive. The green dream, or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they're for it, right?"
 
 
 

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6 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:
"It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive. The green dream, or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they're for it, right?"

Just another butthurt comment from the "I don't know what anything is" Nancy Pants.

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2 hours ago, darkblue said:

Just another butthurt comment from the "I don't know what anything is" Nancy Pants.

Yea,  Pelosi and her sarcasm is on full display in those two sentences.    

I admit to being somewhat surprised that two of the top stories today on  CNN are the AOC press conference where she launches the New Green Deal and right above this the story about Pelosi's comments about the green dream, whatever it is THEY call it.

Looks like CNN is pushing for a major cat fight.   

  

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31 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Looks like CNN is pushing for a major cat fight.   

Maybe.

Right now I don't think CNN knows where to turn or what to do. It's been so thoroughly exposed as a propaganda bull**** dispenser; lost so much audience; lost so much respect, that it's thrashing around trying to find which direction to take going forward.

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jordanVerified account @JordanUhl 2h2 hours ago

 
 

What's funny about the "M4A is unrealistic" excuse that @AOC calls out here, is it clashes with the grandiosity inherent in American politics.

 

We claim we can do anything AND we're the best at it,

but can't do what everyone else has already done?

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Transcript:

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Full interview: Rep. Ocasio-Cortez on the Democratic Party, Green New Deal, 2020 candidates

In an exclusive TV interview after introducing the Green New Deal, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) joins MTP Daily to discuss her efforts to combat climate change, leadership in the Democratic party and 2020 candidates.

 

https://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/watch/full-interview-rep-ocasio-cortez-on-the-democratic-party-green-new-deal-2020-candidates-1439077443625

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The title of this thread is if AOC is good for the Dem party or bad.   In this regard her latest T.V. interview can only hurt the Dem party and cause the Dem party to lose support.     Why?

Dems don't have the political power to pass any of this legislation (even if every Dem in DC voted for them) and if such legislation was passed, Trump would veto it.      Therefore Dem leaders will come off as failing to those that support the type of policies AOC is pushing for.     This will just further disenfranchise these folks.

Outing Dem DC politicians that don't support these policies at this time (when there is no primary election pending),  just hurts these politicians chances of winning a general election.    

So to me the timing also hurts the Dem party.    I can see AOC using her political power to assist other members of her organization (the Democratic Socialist of America) in primary House and Senate challenges against incumbent Dems.     Of course no one knows DSOA members and Dems with similar policy stances can win general elections like AOC did:   I.e. result in gaining even more power for the Dem party.      

PS:  So I really wonder what AOC's end-game is here;  I.e. what does she expect to accomplish?  

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1 hour ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

PS:  So I really wonder what AOC's end-game is here;  I.e. what does she expect to accomplish?  

Im the same vein as "there's no such thing as bad publicity", any attention is good attention in the fame game.

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4 minutes ago, darkblue said:

Im the same vein as "there's no such thing as bad publicity", any attention is good attention in the fame game.

Yea,  the likely reason for AOC's actions is to increase her fame so she can run for a higher office in NY, like the US Senate or Governor. 

 

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1 minute ago, mr6666 said:

:lol:

Alexandria Ocasio-CortezVerified account @AOC 16h16 hours ago

 
 

It’s pretty wild that the GOP can’t decide whether they’re going to run with the conspiracy theory that I’m secretly rich,

or the exaggeration & mockery of my family’s struggle after my dad died during the financial crisis. Instead,

they decide to defy logic and run with both.

Any member of the GOP that mocks or attacks AOC is a fool.    Let AOC continue to talk, since it only helps fracture the Dem party.     Let Pelosi and others in the Dem establishment put her down (like Pelosi did with her comments about the green, whatever they call it, program).

 

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1 hour ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Any member of the GOP that mocks or attacks AOC is a fool.

Definitely.

The more people hear Occasional Cortex speak, the fewer that believe she represents anything but snow.

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good OR bad,..........she's knows how to use TWITTER ;)

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Alexandria Ocasio-CortezVerified account @AOC 3h3 hours ago

 
 

According to the GOP, when poor + working people advocate for themselves, we shouldn’t listen bc they’re “irresponsible.”

 

Yet when higher incomes fight for working people,we shouldn’t listen bc they’re“hypocrites.”

 

How about we fight for the right thing bc it’s the right thing?

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New York PostVerified account @nypost

 

Gas-guzzling car rides expose AOC's hypocrisy amid Green New Deal pledge https://nyp.st/2ToXiYM 

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Alexandria Ocasio-CortezVerified account @AOC 21h21 hours ago

 

I also fly ✈️ & use A/C

Living in the world as it is isn’t an argument against working towards a better future.

 

The Green New Deal is about putting a LOT of people to work in developing new technologies,

building new infrastructure, and getting us to 100% renewable energy.

 

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Most of these stories about AOC are much-ado-about-nothing. 

The big news from the last week is that she will be working to remove DINOs during the 2020 House and Senate primaries.   Like the Tea Party,  so called DINOs can be defeated my left-leaning 'progressives'  (and self described socialist democratic) in the primaries,   but face ultimate defeat in the general election.    

AOC is so full of herself she doesn't understand that moderates tend to win elections in moderate-leaning districts\states and that identity politics is often unsuccessful in such areas.    

Of coarse many far right conservative Tea party and Freedom Caucus members have a similar misunderstanding which has lead to winning a battle (primary), but losing the war (general election).   

 

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More nonsense from Ocasio Cortez and her ilk courtesy of garbage can "Vox." :rolleyes: 

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/11/18256166/climate-change-having-kids

In a recent Instagram live stream from her kitchen, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) raised a taboo dimension of climate change few politicians would dare to touch.

“Basically, there’s a scientific consensus that the lives of children are going to be very difficult. And it does lead, I think, young people to have a legitimate question: Is it okay to still have children?” she said.

Hopefully this means donkey face won't procreate. :crosses fingers: :lol: 

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