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Elizabeth Warren Pres. Candidacy.....

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1 hour ago, mr6666 said:

Summer Brennan

@summerbrennan

Whoa,

@facebook's Mark Zuckerberg calls @ewarren

an "existential" threat to his business interests, says he'll "go to the mat" and "fight" her

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THANKS Jeff.........

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 Zuckerberg go to the mat? That may be one way of proving he's not a robotic humanoid.

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The Dark Horse - a 1932 Warner Bros film with Warren William and Bette Davis.

Political satire with a young Bette.   William and Davis have good chemistry and it is a fast paced and funny film, that makes a solid political message without being well,  like,  Mr Smith!

 

 

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19 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

The Dark Horse - a 1932 Warner Bros film with Warren William and Bette Davis.

Political satire with a young Bette.   William and Davis have good chemistry and it is a fast paced and funny film, that makes a solid political message without being well,  like,  Mr Smith!

Was this meant for the fave political film thread?

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17 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

Was this meant for the fave political film thread?

Yes,  thanks.  I'm posting it there.     I'm on the west coast and have had only one cup of green tea today!

 

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How Warren could pay for 'Medicare for All'

The top-tier Democrat — whose motto is that she has a plan for everything — doesn’t have one yet for how to pay for universal health care.

 

 

".....Small wonder then that the top-tier Democrat — whose motto is that she has a plan for everything — doesn’t have one yet for how to pay for universal health care. She and other Medicare for All supporters have argued that it doesn't make sense to fixate on costs with basic questions, like how much doctors would earn, still unknown.

 
 

“You could say ... that we’re spending about $3.5 trillion on health care now and we’re going to move that all onto the federal tab, but I think that’s a little too simplistic,” House Budget Chairman John Yarmuth (D-Ky.), a longtime supporter of single-payer health care, said earlier this year.

But with Warren’s primary rivals pressuring her for details, lawmakers, health policy experts and academics say she has several credible options for paying to extend government health insurance to all Americans.

Here are some of the taxes, spending cuts and budget shuffling ideas under consideration by experts, and the pros and cons.

Tax the rich

Warren has already made it clear that wealthy individuals and corporations will be expected to pay up for Medicare for All, but that squeeze could take a number of forms.

Raising income taxes on top earners, who are currently taxed at 37 percent, would deliver some revenue. Warren could also introduce a new tax on the richest 0.1 percent of Americans, eliminate itemized deductions for the wealthy or limit other tax breaks — such as scrapping a provision that allows rich investors to pass unrealized gains to heirs tax-free when they die. Warren has already suggested using her proposed wealth tax to fund universal childcare and tuition-free college........

see all:  https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/21/elizabeth-warren-medicare-health-care-2020-053778

 

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2 hours ago, mr6666 said:

How Warren could pay for 'Medicare for All'

The top-tier Democrat — whose motto is that she has a plan for everything — doesn’t have one yet for how to pay for universal health care.

 

 

".....Small wonder then that the top-tier Democrat — whose motto is that she has a plan for everything — doesn’t have one yet for how to pay for universal health care. She and other Medicare for All supporters have argued that it doesn't make sense to fixate on costs with basic questions, like how much doctors would earn, still unknown.

 
 

“You could say ... that we’re spending about $3.5 trillion on health care now and we’re going to move that all onto the federal tab, but I think that’s a little too simplistic,” House Budget Chairman John Yarmuth (D-Ky.), a longtime supporter of single-payer health care, said earlier this year.

But with Warren’s primary rivals pressuring her for details, lawmakers, health policy experts and academics say she has several credible options for paying to extend government health insurance to all Americans.

Here are some of the taxes, spending cuts and budget shuffling ideas under consideration by experts, and the pros and cons.

Tax the rich

Warren has already made it clear that wealthy individuals and corporations will be expected to pay up for Medicare for All, but that squeeze could take a number of forms.

Raising income taxes on top earners, who are currently taxed at 37 percent, would deliver some revenue. Warren could also introduce a new tax on the richest 0.1 percent of Americans, eliminate itemized deductions for the wealthy or limit other tax breaks — such as scrapping a provision that allows rich investors to pass unrealized gains to heirs tax-free when they die. Warren has already suggested using her proposed wealth tax to fund universal childcare and tuition-free college........

see all:  https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/21/elizabeth-warren-medicare-health-care-2020-053778

 

YOU REALLY NEED TO READ THE "CONS" IN THE ARTICLE TO SEE WHAT IS WRONG WITH WARREN'S PLAN.  And why it will not work.

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52 minutes ago, TheCid said:

YOU REALLY NEED TO READ THE "CONS" IN THE ARTICLE TO SEE WHAT IS WRONG WITH WARREN'S PLAN.  And why it will not work.

So how does it work in the rest of World? 

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39 minutes ago, cigarjoe said:

So how does it work in the rest of World? 

It doesn't work well in Canada, despite those who say it does.  

Did you read the Cons in the article?

Maybe you could tell us how it works in other countries.  BUT, this is America, not the rest of the world.  We are different and we have a different governmental/political/economic system.  Not to mention the very highly supported and expensive defense system.

It is a mute point anyway since even if Sanders or Warren got elected with Dem majorities in the House and Senate, it is very unlikely anything like their proposed MFA's would be enacted.

As Klobuchar and others keep saying - build on ACA.

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57 minutes ago, cigarjoe said:

So how does it work in the rest of World? 

It would be political suicide for any politician to take away the health care systems that exist in Canada and Europe. That's one way of looking at how happy people are with their health care.

And of course you can have private insurance, be it through your union or self-paid if you so desire.  It tops up what is available to every citizen as a right.  So you can get private care if you wish to pay for it.  You are likely seeing the same doctors but you can get private rooms, etc.

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1 hour ago, cigarjoe said:

So how does it work in the rest of World? 

I have never in my life heard any Canadian or person from Great Britain say that they wish that they had a health care system like that in the Untied States.

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3 hours ago, TheCid said:

It doesn't work well in Canada, despite those who say it does.  

Did you read the Cons in the article?

Maybe you could tell us how it works in other countries.  BUT, this is America, not the rest of the world.  We are different and we have a different governmental/political/economic system.  Not to mention the very highly supported and expensive defense system.

It is a mute point anyway since even if Sanders or Warren got elected with Dem majorities in the House and Senate, it is very unlikely anything like their proposed MFA's would be enacted.

As Klobuchar and others keep saying - build on ACA.

Are you a doctor, connected to the medical or pharmaceutical companies, you seem to have a dog in the fight?

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3 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

I have never in my life heard any Canadian or person from Great Britain say that they wish that they had a health care system like that in the Untied States.

Agree, I took a Canadian out fly fishing it was too early in the spring but he wanted to check out the Catskills. He lived close to Ottawa and telling me about the flooding where ever he was and I asked him about the healthcare system up there just out of curiosity. You know just a regular fisherman like you like me and he said it he loved it. No complaints. 

It wasn't propaganda that you read from the usual suspects, no columnists, nada, just a random Canadian and that was what he told me.... 

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17 hours ago, cigarjoe said:

Are you a doctor, connected to the medical or pharmaceutical companies, you seem to have a dog in the fight?

Nope, just your average taxpayer and user of America's medical system.

Still waiting for someone to show how it works in European countries compared to how it would work in USA. As I said before, America has a different political/governmental/economic/defense system than anyone else in the world.

Also, the Cons in the referenced article pretty well indicated why it would be unsuccessful in USA. 

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Warren releases plan to fund ‘Medicare for All’

"...In a 20-page online post, Warren said a cornerstone of her plan would require employers to transfer to the government almost all the $8.8 trillion she estimates they would otherwise spend on private insurance for employees.

“We can generate almost half of what we need to cover Medicare for All just by asking employers to pay slightly less than what they are projected to pay today, and through existing taxes,” she wrote.

Campaigning in Iowa, Warren said Friday her plan was drafted with help from top health care experts and economists........

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/warren-releases-plan-to-fund-medicare-for-all

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15 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Warren releases plan to fund ‘Medicare for All’

"...In a 20-page online post, Warren said a cornerstone of her plan would require employers to transfer to the government almost all the $8.8 trillion she estimates they would otherwise spend on private insurance for employees.

“We can generate almost half of what we need to cover Medicare for All just by asking employers to pay slightly less than what they are projected to pay today, and through existing taxes,” she wrote.

Campaigning in Iowa, Warren said Friday her plan was drafted with help from top health care experts and economists........

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/warren-releases-plan-to-fund-medicare-for-all

Actually the responsible financial experts have already began to point out that it will never work.  It will end up many trillions of dollars short of what is needed - about 40% short.  She has also built in a bribe to unions by creating some flaky procedure whereby their employers get a tax break on taxes IF they promise to pass it on to workers. So union members get MFA AND a pay raise?

Of course all of this supposes some magical restrictions on the cost of health care itself.

It is the same old political ploy that has been around for decades.  It is called Smoke and Mirrors.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/01/elizabeth-warren-releases-medicare-all-health-care-payment-plan/4121147002/

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Two interesting columns re: Warren and Sanders and Medicare For All.  First is by Catherine Rampell and basically states that Warren tried to use Sanders plan as a basis for hers - and failed.  Her plan requires very generous assumptions, which are faulty.  Rampell does believe that Warren's plan could arrive at universal coverage, BUT without a single payer (government) system.  But it would also have income based requirements, cost sharing and minimum benefits.

https://www.winonadailynews.com/catherine-rampell-elizabeth-warren-tried-to-do-bernie-sanders-homework/article_cbd875d9-643c-502e-b2e1-8011d8485c59.html

Michael Gerson believes that Warren's MFA plan would help reelect Trump.  Warren is six points behind Trump in Michigan, even with him in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and four points behind in Florida.  Trump and the GOPers will exploit the weak points in her MFA plan and in these swing states will most likely tilt the election to Trump.

She proposes a massive increase in government involvement in people's lives at a time when people trust government less.  She will replace ACA (Obamacare) just as it is beginning to show signs that it could work with improvents.  Her estimates on both costs and revenues for MFA and potential budget cuts are overly optimistic.

The 2018 (and now 2019) elections have shown that Trump and the GOPers are losing some voters, but these same voters will not be attracted to the Dem party in 2020 if Warren (or whoever) proposes socialism, disruption and radicalism to American health care system.

https://democratherald.com/michael-gerson-warren-s-health-care-plan-would-help-reelect/article_99df8a59-3e99-5e85-96ab-452ecb650faa.html

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Elizabeth Warren has invited Bill Gates to meet so she can explain “exactly how much” he would pay in taxes under her wealth tax plan
 
after Gates questioned whether “she’d even be willing” to sit down with someone who "has large amounts of money"
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Is Elizabeth Warren ‘angry’ and antagonistic?

Or are rivals dabbling in gendered criticism?

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“Voters will not support a woman they do not like even if they believe she’s qualified,” she said, citing extensive research. “But they will vote for a man they do not like.”

Branding Warren “angry” felt particularly off-key to those who have watched her closely. She often stands for hours in line to take photos with supporters, grinning thousands of times in a row. And while her rhetoric can turn hot — particularly when directed at banks and corporate interests — it comes across more as frustration at the problems she sees than anger.....

 

it was how Warren was dismissed early on. But then people got to know her. And really she is nothing like this ugly caricature. But you have two of the top Democrats trying to make her into something she’s not.”

“If we nominate a woman, Trump is going to go after her in very personal ways,” she added. “It is just surprising that it is happening from other Democrats.”....

Clinton’s presidential campaign also faced criticism that focused on her gender — whether her laugh, her pantsuits, or her likability. ......

“But Warren has impressed me with all she has done to inoculate herself from these kinds of attacks. She . . . is nothing but a hugging, selfie-loving, joyful campaigner out on the road. It’s hard to make angry or elitist stick to her.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-faces-a-new-line-of-attack-shes-angry-and-antagonistic/2019/11/06/dd27b4fa-00af-11ea-8bab-0fc209e065a8_story.html

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Michael Bloomberg getting in the race is proof-positive the wealth class is legitimately terrified of Elizabeth Warren,
 
so let’s maybe stop talking about how she could never accomplish her plans.
 
They certainly think she’s capable.
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13 hours ago, mr6666 said:
 
 
Michael Bloomberg getting in the race is proof-positive the wealth class is legitimately terrified of Elizabeth Warren,
 
so let’s maybe stop talking about how she could never accomplish her plans.
 
They certainly think she’s capable.
:huh:

Bloomberg is not representing the wealth class in opposition to the "progressives," he is representing those in the Dem Party who believe that the current field is weak and cannot defeat Trump.  Good point.  He is also representing the moderates who believe that Biden is too weak and the moderates will not be represented in 2020 election.  Another good point.

Polling in the six swing states that gave Trump the election in 2016 show Sanders and Warren both losing to Trump.  While polling, especially this early, is not very reliable, this is an indication of a problem the Dems have in swing states.  They do not like liberals and socialists and MFA scares the hell out of them.

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The Mueller report made it clear that Donald Trump repeatedly obstructed justice.
 
Many reports have shown he is abusing diplomatic relationships for his own political gain.
 
Now, it's time for the public to see the evidence the House has gathered in these public hearings.

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Today, I'm sharing my plan to transition to #MedicareForAll.
In my first term, we will reverse Trump’s sabotage of the ACA, lower drug prices, lower the Medicare age to 50 and create a true Medicare for All option—and fully transition to #MedicareForAll.

 

My First Term Plan for Reducing Health Care Costs in America and Transitioning to Medicare for All

 

https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/m4a-transition?source=soc-WB-ew-tw-rollout-20191115

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& Relax folks.......it's JUST a Proposal!  ;)

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19 minutes ago, mr6666 said:
 
 
Today, I'm sharing my plan to transition to #MedicareForAll.
In my first term, we will reverse Trump’s sabotage of the ACA, lower drug prices, lower the Medicare age to 50 and create a true Medicare for All option—and fully transition to #MedicareForAll.

 

My First Term Plan for Reducing Health Care Costs in America and Transitioning to Medicare for All

 

https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/m4a-transition?source=soc-WB-ew-tw-rollout-20191115

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& Relax folks.......it's JUST a Proposal!  ;)

Smoke and Mirrors.  I read her link on paying for it and lots of smoke, mirrors and weak assumptions.  Find it interesting that she will provide $Billions of subsidies to drug companies to research more effective antibiotics, while saying making $Billions in profits is wrong even when much of those $Billions goes for research.

Regardless, it won't fly because it does not make economic sense and The American voter won't understand nor accept it.  She assumes she will have 50 votes in the Senate and 51% of the votes in the House for everything she wants.

And within four years, everyone is on it - or else.  

There is also the issue of if everyone is on MFA and there is no cost or next to no cost for whatever medically reasonable expenditure, how will the physicians, clinics and hospitals handle the HUGE influx of new patients or patients being seen 5-20 times more per year within 12-48 months?  And it will happen.

It is "just a proposal," but one without merit.

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Warren’s closing argument focuses on the core problem: The corruption of America.

The reason good policies don’t get enacted and enforced is because big money has taken over our democracy.

 

Until we tackle this problem, nothing will get done.

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