LornaHansonForbes

Anyone else get the feeling that Oscars 2019 in particular is headed for a spectacular train wreck?

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3 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

It was very very dumb of me to lump THREE BILLBOARDS in. I really do apologize 

I read at various online sites that the film was cited as having some sort of racial issues, but since I didn’t see it: I really should’ve kept my fat yapp shut.

It is a definite shortcoming on my part that I have *such* a strong aversion to modern movies, I try not to be snotty and elitist about it, but let’s face it: I am.

I haven’t seen a single film made from -I think- the last three years at least, And I swear to you I don’t say that as a badge of honor...and yet I’m nowhere near ashamed to admit it

I just don’t feel most stuff made today.

i keep watching some modern films. 2016 was pretty good under the circumstances, 2017 was dreadful, haven't seen much from 2018, but seems a  bit better than 2017. I got canned recently from another site in part because I kveched about some recent praised films I did not care for, and because I did not like the sounds of some of this year's films (I think that the much lauded The Favourite is historically reckless by basing its entire plot around lurid 300 year old gossip that was never substantiated, which lead me to conclude if the rumors are true, they are ripping away the privacy of people no longer around to defend themselves, and if false, are libelous).

What I think modern films often lack is confidence really. Very few films seemingly have the courage of their own convictions, and so many too feel as though they are built for the moment, but not really for beyond. They don't resonate enough, or they don't match up to the past.  Bizarrely, two very belated big budget sequels , Blade Runner 2049 and Mary Poppins Returns had more urgency and a stronger connection to the audience than most modern films, even ones up for big Oscars. When there is a modern gem that is truly worthwhile, like Brooklyn or 20th Century Women or Phantom Thread, savor it because it has that filmmaking fire in it.

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8 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

another "white savior" movie

I would add Mississippi Burning to your list. I think most black viewers (if there were any) weren't exactly thrilled a pair of white FBI agents were the heroes in this thing.

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1 hour ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

Denzel did got nominated for CRY FREEDOM, But for supporting actor even though a lot of people felt he was the lead.

Given what happened to Stephen Biko, Denzel's role in Cry Freedom was necessarily limited, and I think his placement in the Supporting Actor category was correct. Kevin Kline was the main character in that movie.

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1 hour ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

It was very very dumb of me to lump THREE BILLBOARDS in. I really do apologize 

You're not completely off-base. Sam Rockwell won an Oscar for playing a dim-bulb police officer whose job status is on thin ice after he roughed up a black suspect without cause (this happens before the action of the movie starts - we don't see it). Without giving too much away, his character has something of a redemption arc, although it isn't tied to helping any black characters.

A racist police officer who has a redemption arc more like what I think you imagined might have happened in Billboards is the one played by Matt Dillon in Crash, and I think he also got an Oscar nomination, and that film was a surprise Best Picture winner.

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1 hour ago, CinemaInternational said:

... I did not like the sounds of some of this year's films (I think that the much lauded The Favourite is historically reckless by basing its entire plot around lurid 300 year old gossip that was never substantiated, which lead me to conclude if the rumors are true, they are ripping away the privacy of people no longer around to defend themselves, and if false, are libelous).

 

Who cares about the privacy of people who lived three hundred years ago?

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4 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

You are SO WRONG. 

Its all Botox and fillers now, plastic is SO last century.

Then there are those who get cement o.O 

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2 hours ago, misswonderly3 said:

Who cares about the privacy of people who lived three hundred years ago?

Certainly not Mr. Peabody and his boy Sherman, anyway.

(...jus' sayin')

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2 hours ago, misswonderly3 said:

Who cares about the privacy of people who lived three hundred years ago?

Agreed.  At this point, it's history. We're so many generations removed from these people that there would literally be nobody around with first-hand knowledge and there hasn't been for centuries.

Both The Favourite and Mary Queen of Scots look interesting to me.  I have rated them as RedBox worthy and will probably rent them when they're available.

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4 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

I’m also taking the time to note that Otto Censor is OK with the term “WHITEY,” And I would also like it recorded for posterity – although I have a feeling that this thread is going to end up getting scrubbed at some point- that I am OK with it.

It's stuck around longer than my beefcake thread did!

::cue a recording of Barbra Streisand's "Memory" and subsequent tears! 😢 ::

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12 hours ago, TikiSoo said:

No it's not. If they had ANY brain in their head they would know the MOMENT IS BEING RECORDED. Professionally recorded, as a matter of fact. They can watch themselves & their shining moment later, on demand.

There is nothing stupider (yes I said it) than watching some great performance and seeing all the arms up in the air holding phones. Why not watch the performance, feel it, enjoy it....you're THERE!

Rest assured, it's being recorded for future release. 

Ugh. I hate going to a concert and seeing everyone watching the concert through their phone.  You just paid a bunch of money to see a band that you (presumably) like and one that you (presumably) don't get to see all the time! Just savor the moment! Enjoy your favorite song! Just be there.  The concert you recorded on your phone is going to look and sound like crap anyway.  Are you really going to watch it again? No. No you're not. 

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Most films about people from 300 years ago are going to have historical inaccuracies. That's just how it is.

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9 minutes ago, Gershwin fan said:

Most films about people from 300 years ago are going to have historical inaccuracies. That's just how it is.

Very very true.

In fact in the year 1719 and EXACTLY 300 years ago now, that Ruskie who would become known as "Peter the Great" was REALLY only known as "Peter the Okay I Guess" at the time.

Of course, this was never mentioned directly to his face, NOR in that 1986 television miniseries starring Maximilian Schell.

(...see?!...there's one for ya right there!)

;)

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1 minute ago, Dargo said:

Very very true.

In fact in the year 1719 and EXACTLY 300 years ago now, that Ruskie who would become known as "Peter the Great" was REALLY only known as "Peter the Okay I Guess" at the time.

Of course, this was never mentioned directly to his face, NOR in that 1986 television miniseries starring Maximilian Schell.

(...see?!...there's one for ya right there!)

;)

In 2119, it'll be "Peter Who?" 

-or-

Perhaps Peter will be Great again because we will have perfected hologram technology and nobody is truly gone.

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23 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

he has a bit about using "pineapple" as a safe word during sex that is pretty damn funny.

his manic energy/rapid fire delivery reminds me a little of RICHARD PRYOR.

Oh.  I thought maybe it was the excessive profanity.  ;)

 

And LORNA---  Didn't AMISTAD, 12 YEARS A SLAVE(also two Oscar contenders) show the "opression through the oppressed's eyes"?  And I'm sure there were probably others.

And can't we get through at least ONE Oscar ceremony WITHOUT any arguments about "politically correct" presentation of subject matter and just discuss the merits of a movie AS a movie, and NOT it's total effect on the public consciousness? 

I really don't recall a category of "Most succinct presentation of the Africa-American or any other ethnicity experience" award. 

Sepiatone

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11 hours ago, speedracer5 said:

Ugh. I hate going to a concert and seeing everyone watching the concert through their phone.  You just paid a bunch of money to see a band that you (presumably) like

Can you imagine what it feel like to be the performer looking out & seeing this*?
Cellphone.jpg

Gone are the days when people got excited over a LIVE PERFORMANCE. Even that is reduced to a video.

*I just watched YouTube videos of a young, exciting 20 something Elton John giving his all on stage. Stage shots looking outward showed an audience that looked like a painting! No one MOVED, nor showed any delight or thrill over the incredible performance in front of them. I thought, "British kids were so reserved in '72".

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40 minutes ago, Sepiatone said:

Oh.  I thought maybe it was the excessive profanity.  ;)

 

And LORNA---  Didn't AMISTAD, 12 YEARS A SLAVE(also two Oscar contenders) show the "opression through the oppressed's eyes"?  And I'm sure there were probably others.

And can't we get through at least ONE Oscar ceremony WITHOUT any arguments about "politically correct" presentation of subject matter and just discuss the merits of a movie AS a movie, and NOT it's total effect on the public consciousness? 

I really don't recall a category of "Most succinct presentation of the Africa-American or any other ethnicity experience" award. 

Sepiatone

valid point, but the thing is: these "white savior" movies keep winning and getting nominated year after year after year after year, often times at the expense of movies that don't feel the need to frame the struggles of minorities through the lens of the majority.

I'm not gonna go thru the list again, but this has happened SO MANY TIMES NOW it's a trope.

 

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2 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

ps- I still bet you guys a trillion fake internet dollars that GAGA is SNUBBED.

I don't know...I think she'll get a Best Actress nod (she's reportedly the best thing about the movie), and she'll almost certainly get a Best Song nomination (and probably win that one). 

However, she won't win for Best Actress. That will be either Olivia Colman for The Favourite or Glenn Close for The Wife.

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41 minutes ago, LawrenceA said:

I don't know...I think she'll get a Best Actress nod (she's reportedly the best thing about the movie), and she'll almost certainly get a Best Song nomination (and probably win that one). 

However, she won't win for Best Actress. That will be either Olivia Colman for The Favourite or Glenn Close for The Wife.

just as full disclosure, I'm neither rooting for nor against LA GAGA in the BEST ACTRESS race, and haven't seen A STAR IS BORN, I'm also not familiar with most of her work except for the (awesome, IMO) tribute she did to THE SOUND OF MUSIC from the oscarcast, what? two years ago?

but...

I can just smell that desire that HOLLYWOOD has to thumb their nose at a (female) arriviste, daring to "step outside her area" and attain the validation that only a nomination can give. see also: MADONNA, STREISAND and COURTNEY LOVE

they LIVE FOR denying this **** to people who clearly want it bad (see also: JIM CARREY).

So, I'm not gonna be happy either way if she does or doesn't get it, I am just saying my SPITEY SENSE is tingling palpably on this one and I just FEEL like they're itching to lock her OUT.

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3 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

just as full disclosure, I'm neither rooting for nor against LA GAGA in the BEST ACTRESS race, and haven't seen A STAR IS BORN, I'm also not familiar with most of her work except for the (awesome, IMO) tribute she did to THE SOUND OF MUSIC from the oscarcast, what? two years ago?

but...

I can just smell that desire that HOLLYWOOD has to thumb their nose at a (female) arriviste, daring to "step outside her area" and attain the validation that only a nomination can give. see also: MADONNA, STREISAND and COURTNEY LOVE

they LIVE FOR denying this **** to people who clearly want it bad (see also: JIM CARREY).

So, I'm not gonna be happy either way if she does or doesn't get it, I am just saying my SPITEY SENSE is tingling palpably on this one and I just FEEL like they're itching to lock her OUT.

She didn't get a Golden Globe and the Globes are a decent predictor for how the Oscars may go. I don't think she'll win either.

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also also,

I think a lot of people with the nominating power are looking and GAGA and wondering whether there is any future potential as a film star or if this is just a one-off "fluke"- to be honest, I don't see her being able to be a real film actress given that her persona- like that of ELVIS or MADONNA or even (Oscar or no) CHER- comes first and hangs larger than life over any project she'd chose.

they might be worries this is kind of a "one-off" JENNIFER HUDSON style, "stunt" award.

I mean, I don't see GAGA doing a SISTER KENNY remake any time soon, AWESOME as it might be!

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2 minutes ago, Gershwin fan said:

She didn't get a Golden Globe and the Globes are a decent predictor for how the Oscars may go. I don't think she'll win either.

oh, TOTALLY the best she can hope for is a nomination.

THAT SAID, the GOLDEN GLOBES can totally and quite easily be bought, remember SHARON STONE winning BEST ACTRESS IN A DRAMA for CASINO?

there's also the fact that A STAR IS BORN was nominated in the DRAMA category even tho it seemed like a shjoo-in for the musical category.

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On 1/9/2019 at 6:10 AM, LornaHansonForbes said:

So the only thing about the Academy Awards that still manages to fascinate me is the death spiral in which they seem to be intractably locked, And this year it feels like a perfect storm of circumstances is gathering:

1. The ghost of the whole LALA LAND/MOONLIGHT debacle now occupies NICHOLSONS front row center seat. I said at the time it happened that we would just have to sit back and gauge Whether it meant a good or a bad thing for the image of the awards, two years later my opinion is it’s been a bad thing.

2 no one wants to host

3 Some of us haven’t forgotten how incredibly stupid “the best popular picture Oscar” idea was, Even if they did wise up and drop the notion.

4 I think a lot of their questionable decisions are starting to catch up with them, there’s only so many times you can P on someone’s leg and tell them it’s raining, and this year there seem to be a pair of movies- GREEN BOOK and BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY That are plagued by a myriad of controversy use, some related to the behind the scenes players and some related to the fact that, once again, a film about marginalized groups of people that were produced and directed by people who are not members of said marginalized society is a lock to be recognized 

5 they’re always wrong 

6 The Ghost of Harvey Weinstein is Meryl’s +1

7 I can’t help but get the sense that GAGA is not going to be nominated, in which case we will see an uprising that will make the protests around CHER’s non-nomination for MASK seem like the turn out for a women’s march in Riyadh

8 Society in general is collapsing and awards are bull****

Good call.

The last time I enjoyed the Oscars was when Tuesday Weld was a presenter and her beehive hairdo collapsed as she was reading the nominees.

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Just now, GordonCole said:

Good call.

The last time I enjoyed the Oscars was when Tuesday Weld was a presenter and her beehive hairdo collapsed as she was reading the nominees.

I REMEMBER THAT!!!!!!!!!!

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