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12 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

Too bad, the report turned out to be a nothing burger. No collusion is the bottom line, and life goes on.

 

12 hours ago, hamradio said:

New scandal... not only did cyclist Kristin Armstrong TALKED to Olga Zabelinskaya - a Russian but HUGGED HER!!

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7 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

Three Canadian posters, what a tag team.

That's another thing about some Trump supporters (not all, thank heaven, but some): anyone they regard as different from them in any way, an "other," they like to point that out. They think it scores some kind of point. 

In this particular case, of course, it's also used as a distraction since the poster involved obviously has no answer to the accusations of obstruction of justice, repeated violations made by Trump, as reported by Bob Mueller, who felt he couldn't lay charges himself but left a path in his findings for Congress to follow, if it chooses.

Now it's a political issue, and, as we know, the Senate will  save Trump from being deposed. But history (and, hopefully, the American voter in 2020) won't.

You have a President of the United States who cares nothing about the law of the land, and has to be constantly saved from his own worst instincts by those around him. His primary interest, as leader of the nation, is self preservation.

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The second and previously unreported instance of Trump's campaign officials meeting with agents of the Russian Government has been totally redacted in the report.  This may be an ongoing investigation for all we know and Mueller has just done his bit.

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Congress should get the full unredacted report, Twump's tax returns, etc., etc., subpoena and investigate, investigate, investigate, and then impeach Twump. Make the findings as much a part of the daily news cycle as possible for the next 20 months. Then spend the rest of the time leading up to the 2020 campaign making Republican Senators defend their discoveries about Twump. 

I'd watch them squirm, lol.

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Retrumplicans have sold out their souls and any vestiges of integrity by supporting/keeping silent about this President's constant moral outrages.

Bob Mueller has laid bare Trump's acts of obstruction of justice and we know that it would have been even worse if underlings of the President had carried out many of his screaming demands. Yeh, watch those Retrumplicans squirm as they try to please the base, fully knowing they are sellouts to any sense of morality. History will be very harsh on this cowardly crowd so frightened for their political skins.

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Fact Checker: What Attorney General Barr said vs. what the Mueller report said
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I didn't watch Barr's press conference, but in every clip I've seen Rosenstein looks like

he's in a hypnotic trance. 

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19 minutes ago, Vautrin said:

I didn't watch Barr's press conference, but in every clip I've seen Rosenstein looks like

he's in a hypnotic trance. 

Ari MelberVerified account @AriMelber 18h18 hours ago

 

Strangest player in all this may be Rod Rosenstein, who:

Wrote the misleading memo backing Comey’s firing

Responded to outrage over *that very firing* by appointing Mueller

Clashed w Trump/GOP while overseeing Mueller

 

Only to acquiesce to Barr’s misleading letter & presser.

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2 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Ari MelberVerified account @AriMelber 18h18 hours ago

 

Strangest player in all this may be Rod Rosenstein, who:

Wrote the misleading memo backing Comey’s firing

Responded to outrage over *that very firing* by appointing Mueller

Clashed w Trump/GOP while overseeing Mueller

 

Only to acquiesce to Barr’s misleading letter & presser.

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Mueller undercuts two of 'dossier’s' biggest claims as Steele comes under scrutiny

Special counsel Robert Mueller found that the two most dramatic claims in British ex-spy Christopher Steele’s now-infamous dossier likely lacked substance: that former Trump attorney Michael Cohen met with Putin operatives in Prague in the summer of 2016 and that the Russians obtained compromising material on Trump.

Mueller’s report confirmed that Cohen “had never traveled to Prague,” and referred to the existence of compromising tapes of Trump as an “unverified allegation.”

Because Steele's dossier was used in applications for surveillance under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who is inspecting FISA abuse, is reportedly focusing on Steele. Steele has declined to cooperate with the probe.

In his dossier, Steele claimed that a “Kremlin insider” provided him with a dramatic tale of Cohen’s meetings in Prague with Putin-linked operatives and foreign hackers. Cohen consistently denied the claims, Mueller noted.

Specifically, the Steele source claimed that Cohen may have met in Prague with Russian officials at a Russian-owned office, that the meeting was facilitated and may have been attended by “leading pro-Putin Duma figure” Konstantin Kosachev, and that Cohen discussed contingency plans with Kremlin representatives for covering up their tracks if Hillary Clinton won the election.

Mueller concluded that the meetings never happened.

McClatchy, which had reported that in April 2018 and December 2018 Cohen traveled to Prague, was forced to add an editor’s note to its pieces Thursday after the release of the Mueller report.

As for the infamous “pee tape” — the recording that Steele alleged Russians possessed, depicting Trump with prostitutes at a hotel in 2013 during a Miss Universe pageant in Moscow —Mueller indicated in a footnote that his team investigated it and found no evidence it exists.

Mueller recounts a similar claim about “tapes from Russia” brought to the attention of Cohen by Russian businessman Giorgi Rtskhiladze. Cohen received a text from Rtskhiladze in October 2016 about “compromising tapes of Trump rumored to be held by persons associated with the Russian real estate conglomerate Crocus Group,” which helped with the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Russia.

But, according to Mueller, what Rtskhiladze didn’t tell Cohen was that he’d also been “told the tapes were fake.”

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The Democrats got this whole investigation started with lies, and Mueller reluctantly had to point it out.

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4 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

 

The Democrats got this whole investigation started with lies, and Mueller reluctantly had to point it out.

This conspiracy theory was totally debunked a long time ago.  So you are either really behind on the news or just trolling.  Read the report.  Mueller explains how the investigation got going on page one!

Oh, and the Republicans started the investigation and they started the special counsel too.

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The Best Hot Take on the Mueller Report Is From G. Washington in 1796

..... So we should pay attention to the fact that much of Washington’s Farewell Address is devoted to a specific warning:

“Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government.” ...

 

Finally, and most fundamentally, the citizens of all countries have the right to expect their leaders to oppose attempts by foreign nations to influence their politics, even if an attempt benefits them. Instead, the intense factionalism of Trump and the GOP generally has made them incapable of even pretending to care. ...

Sen. Mitch McConnell wouldn’t have refused Barack Obama’s September 2016 request to participate in a “show of solidarity and bipartisan unity” against foreign meddling. Most of all, Republicans would be deeply concerned by the new information in the Mueller report about Russia’s attempts to manipulate the nuts and bolts of the U.S. voting system.

Their failure is exactly what Washington feared: “The spirit of party,” he said, “opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.” ...

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/20/mueller-report-george-washington-farewell-address/

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Seth AbramsonVerified account @SethAbramson 5h5 hours ago

Counterintelligence investigations of Trump remain outstanding—their findings haven't yet been disclosed, though they eventually will be to the House and Senate intelligence committees—but Mueller's report does include corroborated information that is *central* to those cases.
 
The primary ground under which a POTUS could be impeached for an inability to uphold his Oath of Office— and secure the national defense—that *isn't* criminal
is if he has been "compromised" by a foreign power via blackmail that provably puts him in thrall to a foreign power.
 

24/ And all of this *confirms* that Trump *believed the tapes to be damaging enough that he needed to keep them suppressed*

—which means he is *being blackmailed right now by the Kremlin*, as all Rtskhiladze did was stop the *flow* of those videos. They *still exist fully intact*.

 
 
 
 
25/ Mueller *only* put "high confidence" intel in his Report—so we *know* US law enforcement holds that Rtskhiladze was *telling the truth* about the videos.

And *no* US president can stay in power—avoid impeachment—if they are compromised.

So impeachment is *mandated* here.

see: https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1119646306400600066

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Mueller investigated rumored compromising tapes of Trump in Moscow

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/mueller-report-donald-trump-controversial-tape-moscow/index.html

 

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The Mueller Report Demands an Impeachment Inquiry-

"Here is, as Bill Barr might call it, “the bottom line”: The Mueller Report describes, in excruciating detail and with relatively few redactions, a candidate and a campaign aware of the existence of a plot by a hostile foreign government to criminally interfere in the U.S. election for the purpose of supporting that candidate’s side. It describes a candidate and a campaign who welcomed the efforts and delighted in the assistance. It describes a candidate and a campaign who brazenly and serially lied to the American people about the existence of the foreign conspiracy and their contacts with it. And yet, it does not find evidence to support a charge of criminal conspiracy, which requires not just a shared purpose but a meeting of the minds.

Here is the other bottom line: The Mueller Report describes a president who, on numerous occasions, engaged in conduct calculated to hinder a federal investigation. It finds ample evidence that at least a portion of that conduct met all of the statutory elements of criminal obstruction of justice. In some of the instances in which all of the statutory elements of obstruction are met, the report finds no persuasive constitutional or factual defenses. And yet, it declines to render a judgment on whether the president has committed a crime.

Now, the House must decide what to do with these facts. If it wants to actually confront the substance of the report, it will introduce a resolution to begin an impeachment inquiry......

 

To say that the appropriate course is to simply wait for the next presidential election in 18 months, is to offer a judgment that—even in light of his conduct as described by Mueller—Trump is not truly unfit for the office. It is to say he is no different from, say, Vice President Mike Pence, who would take his place, or any other Republican for that matter. It is to say that what matters is winning elections, even if it risks further institutional harms.

There is a danger to this mode of thinking, which is that Democrats should tolerate the institutional harms that would come from not initiating a serious impeachment inquiry because what really matters is winning the 2020 election......

In the face of this evidence, for Congress to not even consider impeachment as a matter of serious inquiry is to declare that the legislature is not interested in its carrying out its institutional obligations as a coordinate branch of government. .........

But Congress cannot forestall the inevitable forever. Eventually it will face the task the Constitution commits to the legislative branch, which is to render a judgment. In the wake of Mueller revelations, to not act is to accept the president’s conduct as tolerable—

https://www.lawfareblog.com/mueller-report-demands-impeachment-inquiry

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19 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

This conspiracy theory was totally debunked a long time ago.  So you are either really behind on the news or just trolling.  Read the report.  Mueller explains how the investigation got going on page one!

Oh, and the Republicans started the investigation and they started the special counsel too.

As usual you don't know what you're talking about. Let's see in a year where the investigation goes,I bet it leads back to what I posted dummy.

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Analysis: The role Russian businessmen played in the Mueller report

"....what struck me most about the special counsel’s report — hacking and social media influence campaign aside — was how, in granular detail,

it chronicled the efforts of several of Russia’s most prominent business leaders to permeate President Donald Trump’s inner circle, apparently at the behest of President Vladimir Putin.

Three names stood out...............

 

before the redacted Mueller report was released, I asked Kirill Dmitriev about the prospects for investment into Russia given recent sanctions. He replied that now that the Mueller report had concluded there had been no collusion, things were looking up.

(In fact, the Mueller report paints a complicated picture of the many connections between the Trump campaign and Russia, but concluded that there wasn’t evidence showing they took part in criminal conspiracy or coordination.

The special counsel did not attempt to answer whether collusion took place, a term that doesn’t bear legal weight.)

Still, the redacted Mueller report may give Russia new reason to be concerned. While the Russians and Trump administration claim the report as exoneration, the Kremlin knows there will be renewed focus on its actions, and possibly more sanctions in the pipeline."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/analysis-the-role-russian-businessmen-played-in-the-mueller-report

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What’s not in the Mueller report

 

Despite the length of the special counsel’s report — 448 pages including appendices — there were still several issues related to the Russia investigation that were not in the document or appear to have been redacted.

Many of those issues were connected to Russia’s actions or the Trump campaign but were not the focus of the special counsel probe, and are, instead, being handled by state attorneys general or federal prosecutors.

Others are still a mystery because of the way Robert Mueller presented information in the report, sometimes using a summary of the facts rather than all the details involved in a particular matter.

Here is what wasn’t included in the report:...........

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/whats-not-in-the-muller-report?utm_source=pbsofficial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=newshour

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12 hours ago, hamradio said:

 

Has much teeth as...

 

Ham that is partially true;   To impeach doesn't require any teeth,  just stupidly.    The Dems have a majority and that is all it takes to impeach.   BUT to convict requires 2\3 of the Senate and that is almost a full jaw.   

Trump supporters should welcome an impeachment that dies in the Senate.   It would be a major boost for the Trump campaign.     

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10 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Ham that is partially true;   To impeach doesn't require any teeth,  just stupidly.    The Dems have a majority and that is all it takes to impeach.   BUT to convict requires 2\3 of the Senate and that is almost a full jaw.   

Trump supporters should welcome an impeachment that dies in the Senate.   It would be a major boost for the Trump campaign.     

I think a nice long exposing inquiry is the way to go drag it out until 2020, make the republicans defend all the malfeasance, etc., etc, that comes out, dominate the news cycle every week. Who cares if the Senate does not convict him it will expose the repuds for what they are morally bankrupt and hypocrites.

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2 minutes ago, cigarjoe said:

I think a nice long exposing inquiry is the way to go drag it out until 2020, make the republicans defend all the malfeasance, etc., etc, that comes out, dominate the news cycle every week. Who care is the Senate doen't convict him it will expose the repuds for what they are morally bankrupt and hypocrites.

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You believe such a plan will cause GOP politicians to lose elections in 2020:   I believe it will only help them.

 

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Just now, jamesjazzguitar said:

You believe such a plan will cause GOP politicians to lose elections in 2020:   I believe it will only help them.

You know what they say about opinions......

We didn't believe Twump would win either.......

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