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34 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Trump Is Cornered by the Saudi Drone Attacks



Character is at play here, too. There’s a presidential election coming and with it the danger that Trump will find military confrontations overseas useful avenues for a political boost. That would suggest he may not be making completely sober-minded decisions.  ........

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-09-16/donald-trump-is-boxed-in-by-saudi-drone-attacks?srnd=opinion

George HW Bush got a huge boost out of the Gulf War.  Then he rested on his laurels while the economy faltered.  That was enough to put Bill Clinton in the White House.

The key is the people have to believe it is a necessary or appropriate military action and we have to be successful or at least appear to be heading toward success before the election.

One thing about the whole Saudi Arabia and Middle Eastern oil situation is that England and Europe and Asia are far more affected by it than the US is.  

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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a call for "all nations to publicly and unequivocally condemn Iran’s attacks” and vowed that Iran would be “held accountable for its aggression”

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40 minutes ago, mr6666 said:
 
Saudi Arabia should fight their own wars, which they won't, or pay us an absolute fortune to protect them and their great wealth-$ trillion!
4:56 PM · Aug 31, 2014·
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Is there always a tweet?
 
Why, yes. There is always a tweet.
:rolleyes:

Hey,  that was advise Trump was sending to the President at the time,  Obama.

Since then Trump has flipped,,,  and flopped,  and flipped, and flopped,,,,

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I'll bet right about now Bolton is tearing his mustache hairs out.

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He tore up the deal with Iran and had nothing to replace it with.  Smart.

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5 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

He tore up the deal with Iran and had nothing to replace it with.  Smart.

 The birther had to tear it up because it was Obama's accomplishment.

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14 hours ago, mr6666 said:
 
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a call for "all nations to publicly and unequivocally condemn Iran’s attacks” and vowed that Iran would be “held accountable for its aggression”

This is why it is critical for the US to be a member in good standing with NATO, the UN and our allies.

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U.S. gas prices expected to rise after Saudi Arabia attack

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gas-prices-expected-to-rise-in-us-in-wake-of-attack-on-saudi-arabia-oil-facility/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/09/16/saudi-oil-attacks-could-cause-us-gas-prices-rise-by-cents-gallon-experts-say/

 

It's a good thing gas prices didn't rise by dollar a gallon, consumers be demanding Trump kill them all (Iranians) and let God sort them out. 

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2 hours ago, hamradio said:

U.S. gas prices expected to rise after Saudi Arabia attack

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gas-prices-expected-to-rise-in-us-in-wake-of-attack-on-saudi-arabia-oil-facility/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/09/16/saudi-oil-attacks-could-cause-us-gas-prices-rise-by-cents-gallon-experts-say/

 

It's a good thing gas prices didn't rise by dollar a gallon, consumers be demanding Trump kill them all (Iranians) and let God sort them out. 

Uh,   a war with Iranian would make global gas prices rise even higher (but with less of an impact to the USA due to our improved output and reserves).

The EU and China don't want such a war,  only Russia and a few other nations like Venezuela do, since they would make billions off of the increase in the cost per barrel.

 

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1 hour ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Uh,   a war with Iranian would make global gas prices rise even higher (but with less of an impact to the USA due to our improved output and reserves).

The EU and China don't want such a war,  only Russia and a few other nations like Venezuela do, since they would make billions off of the increase in the cost per barrel.

 

Other than the US oil companies would prefer to export the oil at a much larger profit than sell it in US.

Regardless, a war with Iran which would also involve Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations would be a great excuse for oil companies to raise prices in US no matter what the reserves.

Then factor in the cost of US imports coming from companies in foreign countries paying a much larger price for oil.  Need to consider how many products are made from plastic which is partially petroleum based.

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On 6/10/2019 at 10:02 PM, hamradio said:

Got to thinking about the 1973 coup in Chile by which a democratic socialist (Allende) whom was elected  overthrown.  I disagree with our involvement in that.

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But you still voted for Nixon, didn't you?

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2 hours ago, Princess of Tap said:

But you still voted for Nixon, didn't you?

Not me,, I wasn't old enough! 

 

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1 hour ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Not me,, I wasn't old enough! 

 

It wasn't directed at you; and despite your age difference, I don't think you would have voted for him anyway.

You see, I have a rather high opinion of you.

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41 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

It wasn't directed at you; and despite your age difference, I don't think you would have voted for him anyway.

You see, I have a rather high opinion of you.

Well thanks!     But yea,  I wouldn't have voted for Nixon.   In fact I was in High School after Nixon was elected and my history teacher had to send me to the vice-principal's office because, while discussing the office of President,   I made really derogatory comments about Nixon and was to aggressive towards the teacher who I believed was a Nixon apologist.      

 

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Just now, TalkTalk123 said:

 

Under Trump U.S. intelligence can't be trusted.    Doesn't matter what anyone told Trump,  Trump will just lie to support what he wants to do.

 

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5 hours ago, Princess of Tap said:

But you still voted for Nixon, didn't you?

I was in high school.

(you waited 3 months to reply? :wacko:)

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17 hours ago, Princess of Tap said:

 The birther had to tear it up because it was Obama's accomplishment.

some accomplishment. handing one of the biggest state sponsors of jihadist terrorism 160 billion.

:lol:

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Well since Allende was overthrown in 1973 no one could have voted for the Trickster after

that since he could only serve two terms. Thankfully a little thing called Watergate came

along and I and many others had the pleasure of watching Dicky slowly roast over the fire.

or as the expression of the time had it, twist slowly in the wind. :lol:

 

 

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12 hours ago, NipkowDisc said:

some accomplishment. handing one of the biggest state sponsors of jihadist terrorism 160 billion.

:lol:

You’ve heard this before; it was their money.  We freed it up, and kept Iran and it’s nuclear program at bay.

Well once your “leader” with Obama-Envy tore it up, your idiotic Effing Moron of a leader sure doesn’t know what he is doing here.  He is stumbling around not knowing what he will do.  He may get us into a horrific disaster through this stupidity.

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Pentagon just announced that they are sending an unspecified number of U.S. troops to Saudi Arabia, and the UAE following attacks on KSA oil last weekend.
 
Sec Def Esper says the move is just a "first step."
 
Here, I outline what the U.S. is actually obligated to do to defend KSA.

Amid Iran tensions, what are U.S. obligations to Saudi Arabia?

......“The Saudis would like the Americans to fight Iran for them,” Bruce Riedel, a senior fellow on foreign policy at the Brookings Institution, told PBS NewsHour.

The Trump administration has several reasons to feel inclined to play nice with the Saudis, he added.

“Trump has hoped Saudi Arabia would buy tens of billions of dollars in American weapons — they have not — and sell his ‘peace plan’ to the Arabs — they have not.”

Add to Trump’s aspirations the fact that the U.S. is one of the top importers of Saudi oil. The attack over the weekend knocked out nearly 6 percent of global oil supplies....

 

“There is no plausible legal justification for a broad U.S. response, especially given the factual uncertainties here,” said Harold Hongju Koh, an international law professor ......

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/amid-iran-tensions-what-are-u-s-obligations-to-saudi-arabia

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Trump said at the news conference today he is showing great restraint by not attacking Iran.

 

Bolton's response...

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