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CLEOPATRA

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I have to agree with those who say this film has gotten a raw deal. every time in recent years that I sit through it I like it more and more. martin landau shoulda gotten more screen time because his acting is first rate. everybody's acting is first rate. manckiewicz directed liz taylor pretty good for she is cleopatra. the editing coulda been better I suppose. I mean a shot of cleopatra's murdered son laying in a wagon. that shot is unforgivable. I suppose it is meant to get it across to the audience that octavian is a monster. I like the film but not that. the scene with antony watching cleopatra sailing away from the disastrous battle of actium is priceless. he looks like a guy who just had his quarter pounder pilfered. it's almost laughable.
it's a great, great film and I think that is slowly being realized. alex north's score suggests the haunting timeless beauty that Cleopatra possessed and I do notice those recycled chords of his Spartacus music during the battle of actium.

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6 minutes ago, hamradio said:

Recent reconstructed image of Cleopatra.

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Looks like a young Helen Westley with Coppertone smeared all over her skin.

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prior to cleo coming into Rome on that gold thingamachig we get this floor show with the dancers and the colored smoke kinda like a super bowl halftime event.

this one babe twists and prances right up to the camera and all she has on her bozingas are these tassles flinging to and fro...

who was she?

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Herbert Berghof, one of the great acting teachers, played Theodotos. He eschewed commercial theater and cinema and was able to use his earning from Cleopatra to purchase a small theater adjacent to his acting studio (HB Studio on Bank Street in Greenwich Village). Berghof was married to the great actress/teacher Uta Hagen (1919-2004), most famous for originating the role of Martha in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. Tomorrow marks Hagen's 100th birthday.

 

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1 hour ago, Swithin said:

Herbert Berghof, one of the great acting teachers, played Theodotos. He eschewed commercial theater and cinema and was able to use his earning from Cleopatra to purchase a small theater adjacent to his acting studio (HB Studio on Bank Street in Greenwich Village). Berghof was married to the great actress/teacher Uta Hagen (1919-2004), most famous for originating the role of Martha in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. Tomorrow marks Hagen's 100th birthday.

 

uta hagen reminds me of mrs folger the coffee lady.

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23 minutes ago, NipkowDisc said:

uta hagen reminds me of mrs folger the coffee lady.

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Are you saying her performances were always good to the last drop?

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I need to continue my Popcorn Champs posts, because Cleopatra, even though I think it ultimately lost money because of its extraordinary expense, was the highest-grossing film of 1963.

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11 hours ago, Gershwin fan said:

I think I prefer Liz Taylor.

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HMPH!

I still prefer CLAUDETTE!  ;)  

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10 hours ago, NipkowDisc said:

uta hagen reminds me of mrs folger the coffee lady.

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You mean Mrs. Olson, who was the Folger's coffee spokesperson. She was played by Virginia Christine, who also played Princess Ananka in The Mummy's Curse. Ms. Christine was of Swedish descent. Uta Hagen's other was Danish, so there was that connection.

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reading up on Cleopatra last nite found out how historically inaccurate this movie is. she had numerous children by a number of men. after caesarion she had 3 children by antony so she was no slouch in the procreating department.

although an Egyptian queen she was not of Egyptian ancestry but macedonian descent and she had the learning of a scholar.

she was one smart babe.

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To keep Elizabeth happy, 20th Century Fox regularly had chili from the Beverly Hills restaurant Chasen's air-freighted to Rome for her. 

In Rome and eating chili? How gauche.

She must have been farting quite a bit in her bath scenes. 

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21 minutes ago, NipkowDisc said:

imagine a cameraman saying "hey liz, you just let out another one".

:lol:

I'm sure the cameraman would find it quite lovely. :lol: 

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The spectacular scene of Cleopatra's entry into Rome, which required thousands of extras, had to be reshot because an extra could be seen on camera selling gelato.

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22 hours ago, Hibi said:

LOL. Reportedly the big nose ran in the family (from Ptolemy)

Yeah, her nose is very prominent in this Roman sculpture of her (looks a bit less protruding than in the reconstruction).

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1 minute ago, cigarjoe said:

The spectacular scene of Cleopatra's entry into Rome, which required thousands of extras, had to be reshot because an extra could be seen on camera selling gelato.

When it was originally shot, the cinematographer looked at the footage and decided the angle of the sun was all wrong, so they waited about six months until the sun was at the "right" angle to reshoot the whole thing. Another huge hole in the budget. I hadn't heard about the gelato guy, but that seems to be about the kind of luck they were having.

 

11 hours ago, Swithin said:

Herbert Berghof, one of the great acting teachers, played Theodotos. He eschewed commercial theater and cinema and was able to use his earning from Cleopatra to purchase a small theater adjacent to his acting studio (HB Studio on Bank Street in Greenwich Village). Berghof was married to the great actress/teacher Uta Hagen (1919-2004), most famous for originating the role of Martha in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. Tomorrow marks Hagen's 100th birthday.

 

Berghof, Hume Cronyn, Martin Landau and some others were hired for a limited amount of time, but shooting was so off-schedule and the script kept being rewritten, so they hung out for most of a year on overtime, not doing much. Glad he got a theater out of it at least. And when the studio took over editing, lots of their scenes disappeared.

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