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BREAKING: Turkey says its ground forces have crossed the border into northern Syria.
 
At least 7 civilians were killed in earlier Turkish airstrikes and artillery shelling.
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1 hour ago, mr6666 said:
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BREAKING: Turkey says its ground forces have crossed the border into northern Syria.
 
At least 7 civilians were killed in earlier Turkish airstrikes and artillery shelling.

do the democrats want us to make war with turkey over this?

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18 minutes ago, NipkowDisc said:

do the democrats want us to make war with turkey over this?

:lol:

 

No, it appear Trump does.  First he removes our promise to guard our allies the Kurds, thus allowing their enemies the Turks to invade and attack them.  He caves to the Turkish President during a Phone call with him, without consulting the subject matter experts.   When he was called on his stupidity, he made some ridiculous comment that he would destroy Turkey’s economy, and added he had already done this.  The fool let’s this conflict start, and doesn’t know what to do.  FIRST CLASS IDIOT!!!

Why are you trying to pass Trump’s latest stupid, incompetent and dangerous move on the Dems?  HE ALONE OWNS THE BLOODSHED!

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Donald Trump's longtime business connections in Turkey back in the spotlight

The president's decision to remove troops from Northern Syria has put renewed focus on his relationship with Turkish President Erdogan.

 

.......the fact that Trump made his decision to pull the U.S. troops out of Syria shortly after the phone call with Erdogan has raised alarm bells from policymakers, as well as government ethics watchdog groups who have long seen Trump’s extensive business interests as a potential area for conflicts of interest.

“It’s absolutely staggering” that Trump made a decision that “has put us on the brink of causing genocide in Syria,” said Wendy Sherman, an undersecretary at the State Department during the Obama administration. The decision underscores the “impulsiveness” and “the transactional, quid pro quo-ness of the president,” she said.

That “transactional” charge is based on the Trump family’s multitude of continuing business entities and interests........

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/donald-trump-s-longtime-business-connections-turkey-back-spotlight-n1064011

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8 hours ago, NipkowDisc said:

OK so maybe he's made a little boo-boo.

:D

 

You are so forgiving.  :D  Just wait until the berserkers start showing up at your doorstep.

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19 hours ago, Arturo said:

In his “Great and unmatched wisdom!”  This would be laughable if it weren’t so tragic!

If anyone else used an expression like that about himself you'd think it would be a self derogatory laugh line. But not with Trump. He's a classic narcissist who has no sense of humour, least of all about himself. He really means it which goes so show just how unhinged this Oval Office Captain Queeg really is.

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Nor did the Kurds help in Viet Nam.  But, come to think of it.  Donald 'Bonsepurs' Trump didn't either.

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Syria is another example why we shouldn't get involved with other country's conflicts.

Guess who got us INVOLVED to begin with! :angry:

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/258657-obama-sending-troops-to-syria

Russia is Syria's ally, let them deal with ISIS!

 

Israel saw this coming!

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-troop-deployment-in-syria-risks-entanglement-in-civil-war/

 

How Obama’s team set up Trump’s Syrian dilemma

https://nypost.com/2019/10/08/how-obamas-team-set-up-trumps-syrian-dilemma/

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6 minutes ago, hamradio said:

Syria is another example why we shouldn't get involved with other country's conflicts.

Guess who got us INVOLVED to begin with! :angry:

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/258657-obama-sending-troops-to-syria

Russia is Syria's ally, let them deal with ISIS!

 

Israel saw this coming!

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-troop-deployment-in-syria-risks-entanglement-in-civil-war/

 

How Obama’s team set up Trump’s Syrian dilemma

https://nypost.com/2019/10/08/how-obamas-team-set-up-trumps-syrian-dilemma/

This has nothing to do with what Trump is doing right now.  When you become President you inherit stuff.  If you don't wish to deal with it, don't run for President.  Stop with the whining, watching television, golfing and the angry tweets and get on with being President.

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1 minute ago, Bogie56 said:

This has nothing to do with what Trump is doing right now.  When you become President you inherit stuff.  If you don't wish to deal with it, don't run for President.  Stop with the whining, watching television, golfing and the angry tweets and get on with being President.

He is fulfilling his promise to get our troops out of Afghanistan and Syria.

This Syrian entanglement got us to side with terrorist groups, PKK and its Syrian extension the YPG.  Looks like 1980's Afghanistan all over again - the enemy of my enemy is my friend!

 

It's more complicated than you think.

As NATO voices support for Turkey’s Syria op, European allies issue reproach

https://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-terror/2019/10/09/as-nato-voices-support-for-turkeys-syria-op-european-allies-issue-reproach

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Turkey has suffered greatly from Daesh attacks inside the country. More than 300 people have been killed in attacks claimed by Daesh in Turkey, where the terrorist group has targeted civilians in suicide bombings and armed attacks in recent years.

In its more than 30-year terror campaign against Turkey, the PKK — listed as a terrorist organization by Turkey, the U.S. and the EU — has been responsible for the deaths of some 40,000 people, including women, children and infants.

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49 minutes ago, hamradio said:

Syria is another example why we shouldn't get involved with other country's conflicts.

Guess who got us INVOLVED to begin with! :angry:

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/258657-obama-sending-troops-to-syria

Russia is Syria's ally, let them deal with ISIS!

 

Israel saw this coming!

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-troop-deployment-in-syria-risks-entanglement-in-civil-war/

 

How Obama’s team set up Trump’s Syrian dilemma

https://nypost.com/2019/10/08/how-obamas-team-set-up-trumps-syrian-dilemma/

Per the last article you cited, the only way Obama’s team set up Trump’s Syrian dilemma is if the Obama people had:

* FORCED Donald Trump to invest in Turkey/with Erdogan

* Forced Trump to have been with Turkish hookers and had Erdogan get some tapes of Trump’ssome golden shower activity

* Forced Trump to let the Suadis cut up Kasshoggi and bugged the room to record the screams and dismemberment and given the recording to Erdogan.

* FORCED Trump to get rid of all his competent, knowledgeable and independent national security advisers and Forced him to replace them with fawning, aaaassss-licking sycophants.

* FORCED Trump to ask Erdogan for dirt on the Bidens.....

........you get the picture.

 

Sorry, but Obama did not create Trump’s Syrian dilemma.  The anything but stable, anything but genius Orange Fool did it on his own.  Erdogan obviously has some dirt on him, and in one phone call, the Effing Moron relented and gave Erdogan, AND Putin, access to slaughter our allies in Syria.  THE BLOODSHED IS ON TRUMP ALONE!

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29 minutes ago, hamradio said:

He is fulfilling his promise to get our troops out of Afghanistan and Syria.

This Syrian entanglement got us to side with terrorist groups, PKK and its Syrian extension the YPG.  Looks like 1980's Afghanistan all over again - the enemy of my enemy is my friend!

 

It's more complicated than you think.

As NATO voices support for Turkey’s Syria op, European allies issue reproach

https://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-terror/2019/10/09/as-nato-voices-support-for-turkeys-syria-op-european-allies-issue-reproach

Excerpt..

 

Turkey has suffered greatly from Daesh attacks inside the country. More than 300 people have been killed in attacks claimed by Daesh in Turkey, where the terrorist group has targeted civilians in suicide bombings and armed attacks in recent years.

In its more than 30-year terror campaign against Turkey, the PKK — listed as a terrorist organization by Turkey, the U.S. and the EU — has been responsible for the deaths of some 40,000 people, including women, children and infants.

trump is using this betrayal attack of the Kurds to deflect from the impeachment investigation.

Plus he is also placating the interest of Putin and the Russians in the region.

Apparently, he has Financial investment in Turkey which probably is part of his reasoning here. trump always goes with what's best for himself and not what is best for the interest of the United States and the American people.

 

The Kurds have become the victims of his deflecting cover-up.

Hopefully trump's deflection will not escalate the war in Syria or lead to a much broader conflict.

Hopefully this attack on the Kurds will not allow dangerous Isis prisoners to escape.

 

As for the Kurds, the people of the United States and Europe are with them.

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19 hours ago, NipkowDisc said:

do the democrats want us to make war with turkey over this?

:lol:

 

Trump let a muslim madman with a known hatred for Kurds and desire to get rid of them have complete control of their area. Those people fought against IS so they would have a homeland of their own.

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6 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

trump is using this betrayal attack of the Kurds to deflect from the impeachment investigation.

Plus he is also placating the interest of Putin and the Russians in the region.

Apparently, he has Financial investment in Turkey that probably as part of his reasoning here. Trump always goes with what's best for himself and not what is best for the interest of the United States.

 

The Kurds have become the victims of his deflecting cover-up.

Hopefully trump's deflection will not escalate the war in Syria or lead to a much broader conflict.

Hopefully this attack on the Kurds, will not allow dangerous Isis prisoners to escape.

 

As for the Kurds, the people of the United States and Europe are with them.

What EXACTLY does Turkey suppose to do with terrorist attacks on it's own territory - accept and live with it? 

Like any sovereign country, Turkey has the right to defend itself.  Yes they need to show restraint, the fear is Russia and Iran may get involved escalating an already chaotic region.

Unfortunately the Kurdish people (not the terror groups) are caught up in the Syrian / Iraqi wars that should never have been started in the first place.

Want someone to blame....George Bush's 2003 Iraqi invasion and the globalist led so called "Arab spring"!

This is what CREATED ISIS!!!! :angry:

 

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1 minute ago, hamradio said:

What EXACTLY does Turkey suppose to do with terrorist attacks on it's own territory - accept and live with it? 

Like any sovereign country, Turkey has the right to defend itself.  Yes they need to show restraint, the fear is Russia and Iran may get involved escalating an already chaotic region.

Unfortunately the Kurdish people (not the terror groups) are caught up in the Syrian / Iraqi wars that should never have been started in the first place.

Want someone to blame....George Bush's 2003 Iraqi invasion and the globalist led so called "Arab spring"!

This is what CREATED ISIS!!!! :angry:

 

Again, this has nothing to do with Trump betraying an ally which he need not have done.  But he does like to keep his dictators happy, doesn't he.  He goes all starry-eyed when speaking with them.

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8 minutes ago, Gershwin fan said:

Trump let a muslim madman with a known hatred for Kurds and desire to get rid of them have complete control of their area. Those people fought against IS so they would have a homeland of their own.

Again, there is not going to be a Kurdistan!  As I previously pointed out, the Kurds live within parts of Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Iran - independent sovereign countries.

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5 minutes ago, hamradio said:

What EXACTLY does Turkey suppose to do with terrorist attacks on it's own territory - accept and live with it? 

Like any sovereign country, Turkey has the right to defend itself.  Yes they need to show restraint, the fear is Russia and Iran may get involved escalating an already chaotic region.

Unfortunately the Kurdish people (not the terror groups) are caught up in the Syrian / Iraqi wars that should never have been started in the first place.

Want someone to blame....George Bush's 2003 Iraqi invasion and the globalist led so called "Arab spring"!

This is what CREATED ISIS!!!! :angry:

 

Stop Deflecting!!! The current crisis is TRUMP’S FAULT ONLY!  He has allowed it with his stupid UNILATERAL decision!!! Even Trump brown-noses like Lindsay Graham are up in arms over this.

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1 minute ago, Arturo said:

Stop Deflecting!!! The current crisis is TRUMP’S FAULT ONLY!  He has allowed it with his stupid UNILATERAL decision!!! Even Trump brown-noses like Lindsay Graham are up in arms over this.

How in the hell is pointing out what lead up to this mess is DEFLECTING??

Exactly how long do our troops suppose the remain there??

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We are talking about about King Trump the Idiot’s stupid, rash, hasty decision, with ZERO input from his national security advisers, all to appease not one, but two of his mancrush dictators, as well as look after his own interests.  We are not talking about anything else here, how we got here, how we should get out, just one stupid decision from an Effing Moron after one phone call from a leader who has the Effing Moron’s **** in a vice.  ANYTHING ELSE IS DEFLECTION.

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10 minutes ago, Arturo said:

We are talking about about King Trump the Idiot’s stupid, rash, hasty decision, with ZERO input from his national security advisers, all to appease not one, but two of his mancrush dictators, as well as long at his own interests.  We are not talking about anything else here, how we got here, how we should get out, just one stupid decision from an Effing Moron after one phone call from a leader who has the Effing Moron’s **** in a vice.  ANYTHING ELSE IS DEFLECTION.

Your are deflecting from the fact Obama got us there to begin with! Again how long do our troops suppose to remain there, 30 - 100 years? :angry:

More likely the Kurds will be fighting past that timeline for the dream of a Kurdistan homeland.  Have about the same chance as there being another Palestine.

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7 minutes ago, hamradio said:

Your are deflecting from the fact Obama got us there to begin with! Again how long do our troops suppose to remain there, 30 - 100 years? :angry:

Newsflash.  Obama is no longer President.  Trump is and he has betrayed an ally.  Everything else is beside that point.

You are the one talking about everything else but that fact.

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