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The thread is called TRUMP VS. TURKEY AND KURDISH ALLIES.

Most of us here have focused on this topic ONLY.  Only you are trying to defend the indefensible.  Even Trump supporters like Grahame, Falwell, even nipkow have said it was a grave mistake (well nip called it a “boo-boo”).  Only you are going out of the way to deflect from the crisis at hand, and point out others you feel are responsible for the crisis, CREATED SOLEY BY DONALD TRUMP.  That is DEFLECTION.

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10 minutes ago, Arturo said:

The thread is called TRUMP VS. TURKEY AND KURDISH ALLIES.

Most of us here have focused on this topic ONLY.  Only you are trying to defend the indefensible.  Even Trump supporters like Grahame, Falwell, even nipkow have said it was a grave mistake (well nip called it a “boo-boo”).  Only you are going out of the way to deflect from the crisis at hand, and point out others you feel are responsible for the crisis, CREATED SOLEY BY DONALD TRUMP.  That is DEFLECTION.

If you have read the links, most of the SYRIAN Kurdish allies are terrorist groups - even the UN / NATO designated them as such!

You are crying for them?

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Just now, hamradio said:

If you have read the links, most of the SYRIAN Kurdish allies are terrorist groups - even the UN designated them as such!

you are crying for them?

They are fighting on OUR SIDE!  Have you never heard the phrase, which I am paraphrasing, “One Man’s Terrorist is another man’s Freedom Fighter”!?

The Kurds have had to fight off the Turks for centuries, going back at least to the Ottoman Empire.  They have been victims of Turkish ethnic cleansing, and definitely know that Turkey was responsible for genocide of another group torn between several countries, the Armenians.  The Kurds have been protecting themselves against Turkey for good reason.

Back to the main point.  The Kurds are OUR ALLIES, have been fighting our enemies, ISIS, and have borne the huge brunt of casualties.  Idiot Manchild made a stupid decision that was not in the interest of America, only his own, Turkey’s and Russia’s.  EVERYBODY but you is outraged!

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18 minutes ago, hamradio said:

If you have read the links, most of the SYRIAN Kurdish allies are terrorist groups - even the UN / NATO designated them as such!

You are crying for them?

These Kurds have fought alongside American troops against Isis.

As the Turks attack them, they will have to abandon their surveillance of Isis terrorists.

Our American troops in the region are crying for their comrades-in-arms.

It's just that simple.

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1 hour ago, hamradio said:

Again, there is not going to be a Kurdistan!  As I previously pointed out, the Kurds live within parts of Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Iran - independent sovereign countries.

So it's okay to let Erdogan massacre them then?

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39 minutes ago, hamradio said:

If you have read the links, most of the SYRIAN Kurdish allies are terrorist groups - even the UN / NATO designated them as such!

You are crying for them?

"The ALLIES are terrorists"

Do you even hear yourself?

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59 minutes ago, Gershwin fan said:

So it's okay to let Erdogan massacre them then?

Hey,  didn't you hear,  Trump isn't going to let that happen.   Trump will instead destroy the Turkish economy.

What,  you don't believe him? 

(ha ha).

 

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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/09/politics/turkey-syria-us-anger-ramifications/index.html

Republican anger grows as Trump disavows Kurds by saying they didn't help during WWII

Washington (CNN)Republicans savaged President Donald Trump Wednesday for allowing Turkey to attack US allies in Syria as the President offered varying reasons for giving Turkey the green light, including the fact that Kurds did not fight alongside the US in World War II.

Turkey launched its military operation to flush Kurds allied with the US out of northeastern Syria sparking outrage in Congress, creating rare bipartisan unity about the risks to the Kurds, US national security interests, regional stability and the fight against ISIS.
Trump apparently gave Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan the go-ahead on Sunday to proceed with his long-planned move against Kurdish fighters who make up part of the Syrian Defense Forces and who lost thousands of men fighting with the US against ISIS.
As Turkish planes pounded Kurdish positions from the air and with artillery, CNN reporters on the ground in Syria reported smoke billowing from several large explosions as desperate civilians -- women, children and men -- fled the area on foot, some pushing others in wheelchairs, many crammed into the back of pickup trucks.
With humanitarian groups reporting the bombardment could displace as many as 300,000 people, Erdogan's top adviser told CNN's Christiane Amanpour that Trump knew in advance about the scope of the Turkish attack.
"President Trump and President Erdogan have reached an understanding over precisely what this operation is," Gulnur Aybet said from Ankara on Wednesday. "He knows what the scope of this operation is."
The news trickling out of Syria fed increasing Republican anger, as lawmakers, former officials and analysts reacted throughout the day, and the US military stayed conspicuously silent.
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Pompeo Jan 2019, criticizing Obama’s Syria policy.
 
“We learned that when America retreats, chaos often follows.
When we neglect our friends, resentment builds.
 
And when we partner with our enemies, they advance,"
 
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9 hours ago, Princess of Tap said:

These Kurds have fought alongside American troops against Isis.

As the Turks attack them, they will have to abandon their surveillance of Isis terrorists.

Our American troops in the region are crying for their comrades-in-arms.

It's just that simple.

All that Kurdish faction has to do is STOP launching attacks on Turkey.  They will be left alone!

It's just that simple.

 

I'm tired of debating this,  the media spinned this to make it appear Trump betrayed ALL the Kurdish people. Even the Republicans and Nip got blindsided by the story. Our troops were pulled out of the Syrian region that is under the control of PKK and its Syrian extension the YPG.  This alliance should never had been made ISIS or not!

You will never criticize you blessed saint Obama whom not only LIED about pulling our troops out but expanded our involvement in the region. :angry:

 

 

Let me put this plain and clear..

Pull all our troops out of the entire region - PERIOD!

No more delays, stalling, EXCUSES!  We been there for 18 years for crying out loud.

 

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10 minutes ago, hamradio said:

All that Kurdish faction has to do is STOP launching attacks on Turkey.  They will be left alone!

It's just that simple.

 

I'm tired of debating this,  the media spinned this to make it appear Trump betrayed ALL the Kurdish people. Even the Republicans and Nip got blindsided by the story. Our troops were pulled out of the Syrian region that is under the control of PKK and its Syrian extension the YPG.  This alliance should never had been made ISIS or not!

You will never criticize you blessed saint Obama whom not only LIED about pulling our troops out but expanded our involvement in the region. :angry:

 

 

Let me put this plain and clear..

Pull all our troops out of the entire region - PERIOD!

No more delays, stalling, EXCUSES!  We been there for 18 years for crying out loud.

 

Tell it to Lindsey Graham and all the other Republicans.

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9 hours ago, Arturo said:

The thread is called TRUMP VS. TURKEY AND KURDISH ALLIES.

Most of us here have focused on this topic ONLY.  Only you are trying to defend the indefensible.  Even Trump supporters like Grahame, Falwell, even nipkow have said it was a grave mistake (well nip called it a “boo-boo”).  Only you are going out of the way to deflect from the crisis at hand, and point out others you feel are responsible for the crisis, CREATED SOLEY BY DONALD TRUMP.  That is DEFLECTION.

Folks this is going to be a close one, coming up is #2, Deflection just passing the old champ #5 Racism!

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55 minutes ago, hamradio said:

I'm tired of debating this,  the media spinned this to make it appear Trump betrayed ALL the Kurdish people. Even the Republicans and Nip got blindsided by the story. 

The story is civilians are dying as a result of Trump's policies. The "terrorism" claim is just an excuse by Erdogan to kill all the Kurdish civilians.

As Turkish planes pounded Kurdish positions from the air and with artillery, CNN reporters on the ground in Syria reported smoke billowing from several large explosions as desperate civilians -- women, children and men -- fled the area on foot, some pushing others in wheelchairs, many crammed into the back of pickup trucks.
With humanitarian groups reporting the bombardment could displace as many as 300,000 people, Erdogan's top adviser told CNN's Christiane Amanpour that Trump knew in advance about the scope of the Turkish attack.
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Civilians are unfortunately caught up in war.  Point is that is not OUR war! Get the U.N. involved to broker a settlement and send in Peacekeepers.  Forgot, the UN is too preoccupied with the global warming scam and trying to shove Agenda 21 down everyone's throat to give a rats behind! :angry:

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https://thehill.com/policy/defense/465105-congress-set-for-showdown-with-trump-over-kurds

Congress set for showdown with Trump over Kurds

President Trump is barreling toward a showdown with Congress over his decision to pull back U.S. troops in northern Syria despite widespread opposition. 

The announcement, which caught leadership and traditional GOP allies flatfooted, sparked a wave of condemnation, with Republicans calling it a “disaster in the making,” a “catastrophic mistake” and a “terrible decision.”    

Lawmakers are already weighing how to respond to Trump’s decision, setting the stage for a high-profile clash with Trump as soon as Congress returns from a two-week break on Monday. 

“Congress must and will act to limit the catastrophic impact of this decision,” said Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), a member of House GOP leadership, adding that Trump’s decision was having “sickening and predictable consequences.” 

Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) warned that unless Turkey changes its behavior “everything is on the table,” including “suspending arms sales, to suspending economic aid to even considering their status in NATO.” 

Lawmakers, scattered across the country for a two-week break, are having behind-the-scenes talks about potential legislative action and publicly throwing out a myriad of ideas ranging from a resolution opposing Trump’s actions to sanctions against Turkey to inserting language into a mammoth defense policy bill. 

“Multiple committees are looking at possible legislative efforts to put the House on record against the President’s outrageous decision,” a House Democratic leadership aide told The Hill.

Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y) separately predicted that “Congress will take some form of action” given the “broad condemnation” sparked by Trump’s decision. 

 

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9 hours ago, hamradio said:

Civilians are unfortunately caught up in war.  Point is that is not OUR war! Get the U.N. involved to broker a settlement and send in Peacekeepers.  Forgot, the UN is too preoccupied with the global warming scam and trying to shove Agenda 21 down everyone's throat to give a rats behind! :angry:

The Kurds were fighting WITH US in our common war against terrorism, in this case ISIS.  Trump has now allowed this massacre of our allies, with no planning, no reason, nothing.  He is not a stable genius, he has NO wisdom, to think he Can make such a stupid decision with such disastrous consequences.  You say that it is not our war; well it’s a war that should not have happened, the blood is Trump’s.

if the goal is to move our troops of out of the area, it has to be planned , and done in an orderly fashion, with all impacted parties warned with plenty of time, NOT a rash decision immediately after a phone call where you bend to someone who has something on you, with ZERO warning.  This is indefensible.

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1 hour ago, Arturo said:

The Kurds were fighting WITH US in our common war against terrorism, in this case ISIS.  Trump has now allowed this massacre of our allies, with no planning, no reason, nothing.  He is not a stable genius, he has NO wisdom, to think he Can make such a stupid decision with such disastrous consequences.  You say that it is not our war; well it’s a war that should not have happened, the blood is Trump’s.

if the goal is to move our troops of out of the area, it has to be planned , and done in an orderly fashion, with all impacted parties warned with plenty of time, NOT a rash decision immediately after a phone call where you bend to someone who has something on you, with ZERO warning.  This is indefensible.

Again Syria is Russia's ally, let them take care of ISIS.  If Obama didn't put them there, this wouldn't be a problem!  Stop blaming everything on Trump!  This Syrian civil war was caused by globalist initializing the "Arab spring (hell)" trying to overthrow a stable regime by which that conflict is not our doing or problem hence this blood is not on Trump!  

Always excuses why our troops can't be sent home! Like the Iraqi invasion, Syria has NOTHING to do with 9/11! The main objective of our troops deployed there were to overthrow the Taliban and capture or kill Bin Laden.  Those goals were achieved!

Withdrawing our troops has been in the works for quite some time, the Kurdish factions were on NOTICE / forewarned!.  Now it's SURPRISE!?

Date Jan 2019

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-syria-withdrawal-20190111-story.html

 

Turkey also stated in the past they WILL intervene once we leave...again no surprise.

Date December 2018

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-erdogan/turkey-says-it-will-take-over-fight-against-is-after-u-s-pull-out-idUSKCN1OK1K5

 

Can't believe the short term (or better SELECTIVE) memory people have!

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9 minutes ago, hamradio said:

Again Syria is Russia's ally, let them take care of ISIS.  If Obama didn't put them there, this wouldn't be a problem!  Stop blaming everything on Trump!  This Syrian civil war was caused by globalist initializing the "Arab spring (hell)" trying to overthrow a stable regime by which that conflict is not our doing or problem hence this blood is not on Trump!  

Always excuses why our troops can't be sent home! Like the Iraqi invasion, Syria has NOTHING to do with 9/11! The main objective of our troops deployed there were to overthrow the Taliban and capture or kill Bin Laden.  Those goals were achieved!

Withdrawing our troops has been in the works for quite some time, the Kurdish factions were on NOTICE / forewarned!.  Now it's SURPRISE!?

Date Jan 2019

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-syria-withdrawal-20190111-story.html

 

Turkey also stated in the past they WILL intervene once we leave...again no surprise.

Date December 2018

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-erdogan/turkey-says-it-will-take-over-fight-against-is-after-u-s-pull-out-idUSKCN1OK1K5

 

Can't believe the short term memory people have!

"Again Syria is Russia's ally, let them take care of ISIS.  If Obama didn't put them there, this wouldn't be a problem!"  Wrong.

ISIS arose because of George W. Bush and his very poor foreign affairs.  Specifically his invasion of Iraq and overthrow of Saddam Hussein.   

As for Syria, they are allies of Russia and therefore opposition of the United States.  That is the only reason Russia supports them.  The Syrian people rose up to overthrow a malevolent, evil dictator who had killed thousands of his own citizens.  The US did not really get involved until Syria started using gas on their own people and very little under Obama.  Trump was far more involved in Syrian war-and the GOPers cheered.

"The main objective of our troops deployed there [Iraq] were to overthrow the Taliban and capture or kill Bin Laden.  Those goals were achieved!"  And Obama killed Bin Laden.  US mission (not accomplished) was to destroy Al Qaeda and to overthrow the Taliban government after they refused to help.  International law, accepted by every US government, is that if a nation overthrows another nation attacking nation is responsible for establishing a stable government.  Bush did not do this and Obama was not successful either and appears Trump has not proven successful yet either.

Trump's action without consulting Congress, the Dept. of Defense, the Dept. of State nor anyone else has created a situation that will likely result in 10,000 trained and experienced ISIS fighters being released.  In addition, 70,000 radicalized ISIS supporters in camps in Syria will also be released.  This will create a very serious threat to Iraq as they will attempt to restore the ISIS Caliphate.

So, IT IS TRUMP'S FAULT.

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The Kurds lost 11,000 lives fighting ISIS. In absorbing those kind of human losses they, by extension, saved the lives of American military.

They have now been back stabbed by the President of the United States in a phone deal he made with the Turkish President.

Trump's unconscionable act of betrayal is AMERICA'S SHAME!

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I said let Russia take care of the ISIS problem in Syria, not everywhere else.  Syria has been a Russian ally for DECADES!

Thanks for the reminder that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11.  BS 2003 invasion excuse was Saddam had WMD's and "threaten" Bush's daddy. :angry:

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2 minutes ago, TomJH said:

The Kurds lost 11,000 lives fighting ISIS. In absorbing those kind of human losses they, by extension, saved the lives of American military.

They have now been back stabbed by the President of the United States in a phone deal he made with the Turkish President.

Trump's unconscionable act of betrayal is AMERICA'S SHAME!

 

 And if Isis is a threat to the United States, then Kurds helped to save the lives of many American citizens as well.

 

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5 minutes ago, hamradio said:

I said let Russia take care of the ISIS problem in Syria, not everywhere else.  Syria has been a Russian ally for DECADES!

Thanks for the reminder that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11.  BS 2003 invasion excuse was Saddam had WMD's and "threaten" Bush's daddy. :angry:

I knew that in 2003. And yet people still vote for republicans.

My guess is you voted for both Bushes too.

 People need to take responsibility for the mess that is the Republican party and that has been taking America down the wrong road in the Oval Office since Ronald Reagan.

You don't just wake up one day with a monster like trump in the White House. The Republican party has been on the way to the depths of hell for a long time, promoting racism and misogyny and homophobia at every turn.

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1 hour ago, Princess of Tap said:

 And if Isis is a threat to the United States, then Kurds helped to save the lives of many American citizens as well.

 

The Kurds HAD to fight for sheer survival because ISIS historical policy were to destroy those not in line with their over the top fanatical beliefs.  This would had happened American troops or not along with the same Kurdish casualties.

American lives were in danger from home grown losers whom wanted to join ISIS!

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