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Trump vs Turkey & Kurdish allies....

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21 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

I knew that in 2003. And yet people still vote for republicans.

My guess is you voted for both Bushes too.

 People need to take responsibility for the mess that is the Republican party and that has been taking America down the wrong road in the Oval Office since Ronald Reagan.

You don't just wake up one day with a monster like trump in the White House. The Republican party has been on the way to the depths of hell for a long time, promoting racism and misogyny and homophobia at every turn.

I turned against the Bushes once Bush Sr made that famous New World Order speech. I don't like globalist Republican and Democrat alike!

Saddam was defeated during the 1991 war and had no capability to repeat history.  Local NATO bases and aircraft carriers could had easily dealt with any future problems Saddam  cause to his neighbors.

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56 minutes ago, hamradio said:

Withdrawing our troops has been in the works for quite some time, the Kurdish factions were on NOTICE / forewarned!.  Now it's SURPRISE!?

I wouldn't want to share a foxhole with you when the going gets tough.

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2 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

I wouldn't want to share a foxhole with you when the going gets tough.

Like to see you in a foxhole because it has a habit of making an atheist seek religion very quick! :lol:

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Trump has too much wrapped up in business holdings in Turkey for him to be taken serious when he puffs up indignantly about what he "threatens" to do.  He's run this country in such a constant state of phantasmagoria that he probably( unless someone slyly tells him) unaware of the color of TIE he wears each day.

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1 hour ago, Sepiatone said:

Trump has too much wrapped up in business holdings in Turkey for him to be taken serious when he puffs up indignantly about what he "threatens" to do.  He's run this country in such a constant state of phantasmagoria that he probably( unless someone slyly tells him) unaware of the color of TIE he wears each day.

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Just as Trump gave the Saudi Crown Prince a free pass for the murder and dismemberment of Khashoggi, this trouble with Turkey will conveniently pass as well.

Meanwhile the death toll in Yemen is now 233,000 from the Saudi bombing campaign supported by the U.S. and Great Britain.

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Steve Mnuchin has been trotted out to threaten sanctions against Turkey - after Trump has already let the horse bolt.

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3 hours ago, hamradio said:

I said let Russia take care of the ISIS problem in Syria, not everywhere else.  Syria has been a Russian ally for DECADES!

Thanks for the reminder that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11.  BS 2003 invasion excuse was Saddam had WMD's and "threaten" Bush's daddy. :angry:

The Kurds helped the Americans. The American President betrayed them, setting them up for a potential slaughter (including women and children) by the Turks.

PERIOD!!!

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NEW: Defense Sec. Mark Esper: "We oppose and are greatly disappointed by Turkey's decision to launch a unilateral military incursion into northern Syria." http://abcn.ws/328Kmr4
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It’s just stunning these guys think that they can get away with this lie.
 
They pulled our troops out FOR THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE of allowing Turkey to invade northern Syria.
 
Then just LAST NIGHT they blocked a UN Security Council effort to condemn Turkey’s invasion.
 
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1 minute ago, mr6666 said:
 
NEW: Defense Sec. Mark Esper: "We oppose and are greatly disappointed by Turkey's decision to launch a unilateral military incursion into northern Syria." http://abcn.ws/328Kmr4
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It’s just stunning these guys think that they can get away with this lie.
 
They pulled our troops out FOR THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE of allowing Turkey to invade northern Syria.
 
Then just LAST NIGHT they blocked a UN Security Council effort to condemn Turkey’s invasion.
 
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Who has recently done an expose on the Trump Tower investment in Turkey?

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BREAKING: Amid Pres. Trump's decision to remove US troops from northern Syria
 
and his vocal criticisms of US military presence in Middle East,
 
the Pentagon announces the deployment of more US troops and weapons to Saudi Arabia “to assure and enhance the defense of Saudi Arabia.”
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Turkish forces have fired on a declared U.S. military outpost in northern Syria.
 
Turkey knows all of our locations down to the precise grid coordinate as confirmed by SECDEF and CJCS only two hours ago.
 
This was not a mistake.
 
Secretary Mnuchin today briefed from the WH podium that Trump signed an authorization to impose sanctions
but that no sanctions have been imposed.
 
This is meaningless nonsense.
 
100k people are already displaced and US soldiers are being fired upon.
 
What’s the bar for sanctions?
 
Hard truth: Erdogan knows that Trump wants U.S. forces to leave Syria.
Putin knows that Trump wants U.S. forces to leave Syria.
Khamenei and Assad know the same thing.
 
Trump himself yesterday (incredibly) said we no longer have forces in Syria. We do, and today they were shot at.....
 
3:36 PM · Oct 11, 2019
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Trump is sending an additional 1,800 troops to Saudi Arabia to 'prevent Iranian aggression.'  Hmm ... Doesn't Saudi Arabia have their own very big army?  And wasn't Trump vowing to pull out of the Middle East just this same week when he abandoned the Kurds in Syria?

This is a very big win for Vladimir Putin.  It sounds very much like the 'art of the deal' when it comes to dictators.

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One aspect of the Turkish situation is that the US is heavily dependent upon access to Incirlik Air Base in Turkey.  Many of the flights in support of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as rest of Middle East either originate or pass through the base.  US also operates refueling planes out of Incirlik. 

This may restrict just how much Trump is willing to do to Turkey.

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10 hours ago, TheCid said:

One aspect of the Turkish situation is that the US is heavily dependent upon access to Incirlik Air Base in Turkey.  Many of the flights in support of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as rest of Middle East either originate or pass through the base.  US also operates refueling planes out of Incirlik. 

This may restrict just how much Trump is willing to do to Turkey.

The horse has already bolted thanks to Trump, the beauty pageant impresario.  

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Exclusive: Military leader of Syrian Kurds tells US 'you are leaving us to be slaughtered'

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By Barbara Starr and Ryan Browne, CNN

(CNN)The commander of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces told a senior US diplomat, "You are leaving us to be slaughtered," demanding to know whether the US is going to do anything to protect Syrian Kurds as Turkey continues its military operation targeting America's Kurdish allies in Syria.

"You have given up on us. You are leaving us to be slaughtered," Gen. Mazloum Kobani Abdi told the Deputy Special Envoy to the Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS, William Roebuck, in a meeting Thursday, according to an internal US government readout that has been obtained exclusively by CNN.
"You are not willing to protect the people, but you do not want another force to come and protect us. You have sold us. This is immoral," Mazloum added.
He insisted the US either help stop the Turkish attack or allow the Syrian Democratic Forces to strike a deal with the Assad regime in Damascus and their Russian backers, allowing Russian warplanes to enforce a no-fly zone over northeast Syria, thereby denying Turkey the ability to carry out airstrikes. The US does not want the Kurds turning to the Russians, administration officials say. 
"I need to know if you are capable of protecting my people, of stopping these bombs falling on us or not. I need to know, because if you're not, I need to make a deal with Russia and the regime now and invite their planes to protect this region," Mazloum said.
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The Washington Post
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Trump orders full withdrawal from northern Syria, a dramatic step after earlier pulling about 50 troops

The president made the decision to withdraw the approximately 1,000 troops left in northern Syria after indications that Turkey intends to expand its offensive targeting U.S.-allied Kurdish fighters “farther south than originally planned and to the west,” Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said, speaking on CBS News’s “Face the Nation.”

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1 hour ago, jakeem said:

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An ISIS flag has - literally - been raised again in the Syrian countryside. The ISIS flag. Flying again. Can you Trump supporters get it *yet*? Can you admit your god king doesn’t know what he is doing? If not, when deaths start here again, we will point at you as responsible.
2:15 PM · Oct 13, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

trump is responsible for the return of Isis.

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36 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

trump is responsible for the return of Isis.

ISIS was never 'gone'.     But it does appear many people at this forum believed the Trump admin BS that it was.

 

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46 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

ISIS was never 'gone'.     But it does appear many people at this forum believed the Trump admin BS that it was.

 

I think there still are pockets of ISIS controlled areas in Syria and Iraq but it's hard to get an up to date report.  Internet is clogged with older info before 2019 which is irritating.

Syria mostly has them eliminated but doesn't solve the problem in the country is fractured into different factions.  The civil war of who controls what may be with us for some time.  Most recent info I can find..

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What a mess! If anyone can find a map more recent, please post it.

Sooner or later the Syrian governmental forces (which everyone seem to have forgot) will engage the Kurds to retake the areas in yellow after the Idlib region is regained which started in May.

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7 hours ago, jakeem said:
Defense Secretary Mark Esper: “The Turks now intend to go further south [in Syria] than originally expected and to go both west and east.”
9:09 AM · Oct 13, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

 

7 hours ago, jakeem said:
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Oh, look. Trump made a deal with a liar, and the liar lied to him.

 

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 A deplorable president,

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Reaping a deplorable result

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1 hour ago, hamradio said:

I think there still are pockets of ISIS controlled areas in Syria and Iraq but it's hard to get an up to date report.  Internet is clogged with older info before 2019 which is irritating.

Syria mostly has them eliminated but doesn't solve the problem in the country is fractured into different factions.  The civil war of who controls what may be with us for some time.  Most recent info I can find..

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What a mess! If anyone can find a map more recent, please post it.

Sooner or later the Syrian governmental forces (which everyone seem to have forgot) will engage the Kurds to retake the areas in yellow after the Idlib region is regained which started in May.

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Whatever recent maps there are have been rendered obsolete by Donald Trump’s appeasement of Putin and Erdogan this week.  Reports are that hundreds of ISIS member and ISIS supporters have escaped in the last several days.  Stupid Humpty Trumtpy broke it, and won’t be able to put it back together again!

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13 hours ago, Arturo said:

Whatever recent maps there are have been rendered obsolete by Donald Trump’s appeasement of Putin and Erdogan this week.  Reports are that hundreds of ISIS member and ISIS supporters have escaped in the last several days.  Stupid Humpty Trumtpy broke it, and won’t be able to put it back together again!

Yeh, but Trump feels so much better that those escaped ISIS members will, he guesses, strike Europe rather than America. What kind of a man, responsible for this tragedy, talks cold bloodedly about potential deaths from terrorism in Europe as a result of these ISIS escapes? Are the Europeans America's enemy?

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