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On 10/20/2019 at 7:22 PM, hamradio said:

If the Kurds simply assimilate while keeping their cultural heritage into the host country where they reside there won't be any danger.  It's this unreasonable desire for a separate state is what's creating problems.

Turkey wants attacks from across their border and from within to stop.
 

We can't solve another countries ethnic / cultural / religious conflicts nor should we be involved - it's up to them. Example is the Sunni vs Shi_te divide / conflict .

 

WORD FILTER ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!

trump has sanctioned the ethnic cleansing of the Kurds by Turkey.

 

7 hours ago, mr6666 said:
 
 
JUST IN: US House Foreign Affairs Cmte. Chairman Engel issues an extraordinary joint statement
 
with counterparts in Germany, France, the UK and the European Parliament
 
condemning the Turkish invasion of northern Syria,
 
and "the abandonment of the Syrian Kurds to be wrong."

They speak for Western Civilization.

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700 Kurdish allies now dead in this 'schoolyard squabble.'

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11 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

700 Kurdish allies now dead in this 'schoolyard squabble.'

It doesn't escape me that most Kurds are Muslims.

And part of this decision to desert our 5 year ally and comrades-in-arms may have had something to do with their religion, sad to have to say.

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14 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

It doesn't escape me that most Kurds are Muslims.

And part of this decision to desert our 5 year ally and comrades-in-arms may have had something to do with their religion, sad to have to say.

Kurdish forces in Rojava are largely Socialist atheists, not that Trump would like them anymore. 

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Deeply upsetting the Kurds of Syria, who fought bravely against ISIS, lost so many -many still injured
 
- now have to hide what they did, as Russia, Turkey and Assad forces will call them 'traitors,' blackmail and extort them.
 
They will have to hide a proud history.
 
Unfair. Wrong,
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NATO head says he is encouraged by Turkey ceasefire in Syria

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2019/10/23/NATO-head-says-he-is-encouraged-by-Turkey-ceasefire-in-Syria/3851571839061/

What I've read / heard on TV  the safe zone will be smaller from north to south only about 20 miles. Just now on WSAZ (my local news) Turkey will not resume military operations.

Civil war is nearing an end along with Syria's  Constitutional Committee authorized to draft new constitution that is UN backed which may unify the country.  The 3.6 million Syrian refugees that are residing in Turkey soon to be repatriated.

Big lost for the globalist! Going to take time to rebuild Syria from the war they helped brought forth! :angry:

 

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44 minutes ago, hamradio said:

NATO head says he is encouraged by Turkey ceasefire in Syria

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2019/10/23/NATO-head-says-he-is-encouraged-by-Turkey-ceasefire-in-Syria/3851571839061/

What I've read / heard on TV  the safe zone will be smaller from north to south only about 20 miles. Just now on WSAZ (my local news) Turkey will not resume military operations.

Civil war is nearing an end along with Syria's  Constitutional Committee authorized to draft new constitution that is UN backed which may unify the country.  The 3.6 million Syrian refugees that are residing in Turkey soon to be repatriated.

Big lost for the globalist! Going to take time to rebuild Syria from the war they helped brought forth! :angry:

 

The war in Syria had nothing to do with the Arab Spring that happened there?  You blame that on globalists as well?

And I'm glad that you are comforted as Trump is by Erdogan and Putin's word on the matter.

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4 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

The war in Syria had nothing to do with the Arab Spring that happened there?  You blame that on globalists as well?

And I'm glad that you are comforted as Trump is by Erdogan and Putin's word on the matter.

Ham doesn’t care about the ethnic cleansing of the Kurds or the thousands of deaths that may result from this; they are Muslims after all.  He feels that we should be out of the Middle East, and is happy that the Effing Moron yanked the rug under our allies. Never mind that generals and other informed sources warned against it. 

Or course, he seems to prefer the geopolitical implications of it all; this means Trump has given in to Turkey and Russia, not for the safety of the US, or even of our troops over there, but because they threatened to blow up Trump’s business in those countries.  

Nor does he really care about our troops coming home from that part of the world; Donald Trump has deployed more troops to Saudi Arabia, and has some remaining in Syria to guard the oil fields.  

Somehow, he is obsessed to go on about the Kurdish homeland, and how it’s not gonna happen, when he can’t see the slaughter of our allies, whom we had promised to defend, and that now our word means nothing anyhere in the world.  Death and killing mean nothing to Ham as long as the people  dying are not White Christian Americans.

The world has become infinitely more dangerous, thanks to Trump’s stupidity, since our allies will not want to work with us, AND the potential escape of thousands ISIS terrorists.  Ham is happy to deflect with his geopolitical mush, or to parrot Donald Trump’s lies that this is is such a rosy scenario, an win-win for the world.  It is, if the world is made up of Erdogan and Putin.

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3 hours ago, Arturo said:

Ham doesn’t care about the ethnic cleansing of the Kurds or the thousands of deaths that may result from this; they are Muslims after all.  He feels that we should be out of the Middle East, and is happy that the Effing Moron yanked the rug under our allies. Never mind that generals and other informed sources warned against it. 

Or course, he seems to prefer the geopolitical implications of it all; this means Trump has given in to Turkey and Russia, not for the safety of the US, or even of our troops over there, but because they threatened to blow up Trump’s business in those countries.  

Nor does he really care about our troops coming home from that part of the world; Donald Trump has deployed more troops to Saudi Arabia, and has some remaining in Syria to guard the oil fields.  

Somehow, he is obsessed to go on about the Kurdish homeland, and how it’s not gonna happen, when he can’t see the slaughter of our allies, whom we had promised to defend, and that now our word means nothing anyhere in the world.  Death and killing mean nothing to Ham as long as the people  dying are not White Christian Americans.

The world has become infinitely more dangerous, thanks to Trump’s stupidity, since our allies will not want to work with us, AND the potential escape of thousands ISIS terrorists.  Ham is happy to deflect with his geopolitical mush, or to parrot Donald Trump’s lies that this is is such a rosy scenario, an win-win for the world.  It is, if the world is made up of Erdogan and Putin.

The Kurds has join the government forces.  There will be NO ethnic cleansing which is BS! Our troops were sent there  to fight ISIS and NOTHING more.  It was never the plan to guard / protect the Kurds. We be there for the next 100+ years!

You're all mad because the civil war won't end YOUR WAY!

Once Syria has reunited, cooler heads will prevail.  The media will forget this thing real quick once it has no political value or fit any narrative.

Let me remind everyone Syria has been a Russian ally for decades! Talk about something blown way out of proportion, of course they will be a major player well as Syria's neighboring countries i.e. Turkey whom want border attacks to stop and to repatriate refugees from the conflict. (oh that hurts the left / progressives - any SECURED border)

Any civil war is not going to make everyone happy once it ends.

 

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30 minutes ago, hamradio said:

The Kurds has join the government forces.  There will be NO ethnic cleansing which is BS! Our troops were sent there  to fight ISIS and NOTHING more.  It was never the plan to guard / protect the Kurds. We be there for the next 100+ years!

You're all mad because the civil war won't end YOUR WAY!

Once Syria has reunited, cooler heads will prevail.  The media will forget this thing real quick once it has no political value or fit any narrative.

Let me remind everyone Syria has been a Russian ally for decades! Talk about something blown way out of proportion, of course they will be a major player well as Syria's neighboring countries i.e. Turkey whom want border attacks to stop and to repatriate refugees from the conflict. (oh that hurts the left / progressives - any SECURED border)

Any civil war is not going to make everyone happy once it ends.

 

The United States turning its back on an Ally in need after using that Ally for 5 years is not about a political value or left-wing narrative. It's destroying years of American diplomacy from both parties and it's destroying the image of the United States as a worthy International partner.

Every American should care about that, whether they care about the fate of the Kurds or not.

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13 hours ago, hamradio said:

The Kurds has join the government forces.  There will be NO ethnic cleansing which is BS! Our troops were sent there  to fight ISIS and NOTHING more.  It was never the plan to guard / protect the Kurds. We be there for the next 100+ years!

You're all mad because the civil war won't end YOUR WAY!

Once Syria has reunited, cooler heads will prevail.  The media will forget this thing real quick once it has no political value or fit any narrative.

Let me remind everyone Syria has been a Russian ally for decades! Talk about something blown way out of proportion, of course they will be a major player well as Syria's neighboring countries i.e. Turkey whom want border attacks to stop and to repatriate refugees from the conflict. (oh that hurts the left / progressives - any SECURED border)

Any civil war is not going to make everyone happy once it ends.

 

 

4 hours ago, jakeem said:

 

4 hours ago, jakeem said:

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Sure, why would the United States want to interfere with the ethnic cleansing of its allies? You can always count on Republicans for moral clarity.
 
9:55 PM · Oct 23, 2019·Twitter for iPad

 The racist trump and the Republican party don't view the Kurds as white people and they certainly know that most of the Kurds are Muslims so, what would they care anyway about the fate of these human beings?

Once you show support for white supremacy,

it puts you in a league where some people are not viewed as human,

but on an animal like level-- that's what made the Holocaust easier for so many German people to tolerate.

 

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4 hours ago, jakeem said:

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In the wake of the ceasefire winners are Assad, Putin, Erdogan, and ISIS. Losers are the Kurds, US credibility as an ally, Israel, and Arab allies. POTUS comment on the “blood stained sands” will haunt US foreign policy as others around globe doubt our reliability under stress.
 
6:06 AM · Oct 24, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

It's a last helicopter out of Saigon moment.

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I really enjoyed my conversation with General

. He appreciates what we have done,

and I appreciate what the Kurds have done.

Perhaps it is time for the Kurds to start heading to the Oil Region!

10:48 AM · Oct 24, 2019
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The US president just told the Kurdish people to uproot from their homeland
- while under fire in a war he approved
 
- and move to the "oil region," a hostile, mostly desert area with an Arab population,
 
where Kurds are NOT welcome and have never lived.
 
WHAT?!
 
:o  :blink:
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22 hours ago, Princess of Tap said:

It's a last helicopter out of Saigon moment.

Not really.  We had invested almost a $trillion in current dollars in the Republic of Vietnam and been involved in the conflict since 1954.  Actually we had contributed substantially to the French efforts in 45-54.  More importantly, the US government, except the military, finally recognized that we would never win in Vietnam, that our ally the government and army of the Republic of Vietnam neither represented the population nor was liked by the population.  Most world governments opposed the continued presence of US military in Vietnam.

Whereas, the Kurds were successfully performing their mission and are representative of the people where they operate.  It required almost no US forces on the ground and very little money comparatively speaking.  This also opened up the area for the introduction of Russian and Turkish influence and eventual domination of Syria.

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12 hours ago, TheCid said:

Not really.  We had invested almost a $trillion in current dollars in the Republic of Vietnam and been involved in the conflict since 1954.  Actually we had contributed substantially to the French efforts in 45-54.  More importantly, the US government, except the military, finally recognized that we would never win in Vietnam, that our ally the government and army of the Republic of Vietnam neither represented the population nor was liked by the population.  Most world governments opposed the continued presence of US military in Vietnam.

Whereas, the Kurds were successfully performing their mission and are representative of the people where they operate.  It required almost no US forces on the ground and very little money comparatively speaking.  This also opened up the area for the introduction of Russian and Turkish influence and eventual domination of Syria

 

Russia's domination of Syria, I'm stunned. :wacko:

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Why the U.S. decision in Syria has left some allies anxious

"........Trump now plans to keep a small group of 200 troops stationed in northeast Syria to protect oil fields. That does not, however, help protect the Kurdish forces who were once in northeast Syria fighting ISIS with the U.S. The other approximately 800 U.S. soldiers have been repositioned from bases once shared with the Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces to ones in northern and western Iraq. Iraq has signaled that it does not want those U.S. forces in the country for long.

Since the U.S. withdrawal, Turkish airstrikes have been reported across Northeast Syria, and thousands of civilians have fled the bombardment. The United Nations has reported over 160,000 Syrians have fled their homes in northeast Syria during the Turkish incursion.

“This is abandonment from the Americans – their withdrawal meant chaos from all sides,” the anonymous Syrian aid worker told the Newshour. “Where am I supposed to run to now?”.....

The response by U.S. allies

... France’s Minister of Armed Forces Florence Parly said the U.S. withdrawal could mean the resurgence of ISIS. The sentiment was echoed by European Union policy chief Frederica Mogherini, who said the terrorist group “could re-find its breathing space inside that territory”. ....

Particularly in the midst of unresolved tension and continued missile testing by North Korea, some analysts say that Trump may abandon its South Korean partners for the sake of a hasty peace deal. ......

Israeli media was “rife with people openly asking the question, ‘can we we rely on U.S. commitments? Are we next to be abandoned?’” ......

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/why-the-u-s-decision-in-syria-has-left-some-of-their-allies-anxious

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7 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Israeli media was “rife with people openly asking the question, ‘can we we rely on U.S. commitments? Are we next to be abandoned?’” ......

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/why-the-u-s-decision-in-syria-has-left-some-of-their-allies-anxious

We could only be so lucky. :lol: That might actually be enough to send Bolton and Netenyapoop into comas.

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On 10/24/2019 at 9:19 AM, hamradio said:

HS!!!

Actually, this is exactly how the rise of Nazi Germany and its crimes against humanity happened.  “Good people” said or did nothing with each incremental atrocity on a group scapegoated and vilified by its leader.  Here, our “leader” has scapegoated and vilified Muslims, refugees, asylum-seekers, immigrants, people of color, etc.  These groups have been systematically dehumanized by Trump and the GOP, allowing more and more atrocities to be committed against them, and the “base” agrees with it or says nothing.  These scapegoated groups aren’t really people after all.

You have no problem with babies being locked in cages, or our Kurdish allies being cleansed ethnically.  Every worse atrocity, and they are ever-worse, is met by you and your side with applause, defense or silence.  These babies or Muslim Kurds aren’t really human after all.  Hitler counted on people like you to ultimately get to the “final solution”.

this is not horse shheeet but history potentially repeating itself.

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36 minutes ago, Arturo said:

Actually, this is exactly how the rise of Nazi Germany and its crimes against humanity happened.  “Good people” said or did nothing with each incremental atrocity on a group scapegoated and vilified by its leader.  Here, our “leader” has scapegoated and vilified Muslims, refugees, asylum-seekers, immigrants, people of color, etc.  These groups have been systematically dehumanized by Trump and the GOP, allowing more and more atrocities to be committed against them, and the “base” agrees with it or says nothing.  These scapegoated groups aren’t really people after all.

You have no problem with babies being locked in cages, or our Kurdish allies being cleansed ethnically.  Every worse atrocity, and they are ever-worse, is met by you and your side with applause, defense or silence.  These babies or Muslim Kurds aren’t really human after all.  Hitler counted on people like you to ultimately get to the “final solution”.

this is not horse shheeet but history potentially repeating itself.

 

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2 hours ago, Arturo said:

Actually, this is exactly how the rise of Nazi Germany and its crimes against humanity happened.  “Good people” said or did nothing with each incremental atrocity on a group scapegoated and vilified by its leader.  Here, our “leader” has scapegoated and vilified Muslims, refugees, asylum-seekers, immigrants, people of color, etc.  These groups have been systematically dehumanized by Trump and the GOP, allowing more and more atrocities to be committed against them, and the “base” agrees with it or says nothing.  These scapegoated groups aren’t really people after all.

You have no problem with babies being locked in cages, or our Kurdish allies being cleansed ethnically.  Every worse atrocity, and they are ever-worse, is met by you and your side with applause, defense or silence.  These babies or Muslim Kurds aren’t really human after all.  Hitler counted on people like you to ultimately get to the “final solution”.

this is not horse shheeet but history potentially repeating itself.

 

The Kurds has been at odds with everyone around them for decades if not a couple of centuries wanting that separate Kurdistan state. NO ONE in the region wants it, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran (whom is Persian).  Arabs don't want it.  Will not accept the fact infighting among those where they live only makes things worst.  The U.S. cannot solve this issue.

Thank you Obama for throwing us within this mess! :angry:

The Kurds has succeeded in one thing, making every other ethnic, religious, non religious, culture, political group p_ssed off at them. How idiotic to fight Assad at the same time launching across the border attacks with Turkey! The best analogy for that region is...Got a beef with the Kurds, take a number and stand in line. 

Making comparisons with Hitler is stupid. Jews were simply hated for being Jews whom were not causing any problems within Germany or other European states.

If a Democrat was in the Oval Office, you wouldn't give a rats behind about the Kurds, give me a break!

As I said before, the solution is for the Kurds to assimilate within their host states.

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