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"Moguls and Movie Stars"

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*"I loved it! you could tell that a lot of time, talent, and work went into the exhibit "* - Jayo

 

I am so glad to hear you say that. I was crossing my fingers all day that you did get to the Phipps Center and that the exhibit really was open past 11am. And it was! Whew!

 

So, even though you are already very excited about the documentary, did the exhibit add to your interest even more? If so, was that the result of any one part of the exhibit or just the overall experience?

 

It sounds like a great thing to see. I'm looking forward to catching it in LA next month.

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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At the time I saw the exhibit, I was the only one taking the tour. They had one, maybe two, guards,

which was probably at the insistance of TCM and/or the insurance company, but Phipps Plaza, being such an upscale mall, probably has few problems where they'd be needed. They did have three

tour guides, which was necessary later, when I passed by the exhibit, as three others (two a couple)

were taking the tour. My general enjoyment of the exhibit makes me even more excited about theseries, and I've been passing the word all month. As the costumes seemed to be stored in a

plastic or plastic-type enclosure, there was no possibility of damage or theft (the container couldn't be removed without garnering attention). Congratulations to one and all for a job well done. (Are there prizes awarded to such exhibits?)

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*"They did have three tour guides, which was necessary later, when I passed by the exhibit, as three others (two a couple) were taking the tour."* - Jayo

 

You mean it isn't a self-guided exhibit and that one is escorted by "docents"? Wow! Is it that big? Or do you think that's just to make sure visitors understand how to use the interactive displays? Were the docents knowledgable about the material besides knowing how to use the touch screens?

 

While I still have to wait three weeks for the tour to arrive in LA, the series starts a week from tomorrow. So looking forward to it.

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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Kyle - If you hadn't asked, I wouldn't have said, but (and I'm not bragging) I knew more about film history than my guide. She said that "The Birth of a Nation" was the first American feature film, and that Oscar Micheaux was the first independent producer, and that because he was an independent,

this was why so few of his films still existed (this was after I had explained to her about safety film

vs. nitrate film). The thing is, the same guides are supposed to be with the exhibit wherever it goes.

And, no, it's not that large, but there are probably larger crowds in some cities. I saw it shortly after

10 a. m., just after the mall had opened, on a Wednesday.

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*"Kyle - If you hadn't asked, I wouldn't have said, but (and I'm not bragging) I knew more about film history than my guide."* - Jayo

 

Oh no! TCM hired "Booth Babes" for the exhibit????

 

Well, first I will say that that speaks to your superior intelligence - and that of most everyone around here. This membership is a very knowledgeable crew. Funny TCM didn't search for guides among this group of good folks. If they had, the learning curve necessary to learn about the materials presented would have been extremely small. (or is it short?)

 

But I will also say that the guides better "bone up" on some of the talking points before the exhibit gets to NYC. Such foolish errors won't fly in the that town. Maybe they just haven't gotten the patter down yet. With the removal or addition a few certain words, both the statement you posted could be made to be true. (Though I don't think Oscar Micheaux was the even the first independent _African-American_ film producer.)

 

Oh well. As long as they get the network right and don't call it TMC or AMC, it will be a success.

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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I was just in the ATL last weekend and very close to Phipps Plaza. Had I known about this I'd have maybe tried to go.

 

Maybe I should look at this website a little more beyond the boards.

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I was really upset about this exhibit. For one the locations are very limited. New York is the only place on the East Coast. And to make matters worse the only time it will be in New York is during the week when people work.

 

If it was on the weekend I would have made sure to go but I can't take off to go to NY during the week.

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*"Had I known about this I'd have maybe tried to go. Maybe I should look at this website a little more beyond the boards."* - helenbaby

 

*"If it was on the weekend I would have made sure to go but I can't take off to go to NY during the week."* - kinokima

 

If it is any consolation, the "full" special micro-website for the documentary series is now online here at TCM.com.

 

http://www.tcm.com/moguls/#/home

 

It is pretty elaborate and very informative too.

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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Thanks for that link

 

You know I got an E-mail that one of the Moguls showings have been canceled but I am a bit confused which time it was. Did anyone else get an E-mail like this?

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I SAW IT!!

 

I went to see the "MOGULS and MOVIE STARS" exhibition yesterday morning here in NYC and I enjoyed it. The exhibit is inside Grand Central Terminal's Vanderbilt Hall (for those of you who know the layout). There were hoardes of tourists walking around the terminal, taking pictures

of the great clock...snapping fotos of each other on the beautiful staircases, but they weren't in-

side the exhibit. (Goody!) They don't know what they were missing, but all the better for me. I

was able to roam uninhibited by a bunch of people.

 

The exhibit was kind of small I have to say, five/six panels. But boy oh boy, were they packed with tons of information. There were guides there, but no one was being escorted around the exhibit.

The guides were there I guess, to chat people up about movies. But I was so intent about reading the information and looking at the videos on the screen that no one really bothered me.

 

One of the guides (a young man) did come up to talk to me about the exhibit, and we went off on a riff about movies in general (he had made it a point to see EVERY film on AFI's 100 list and really enjoyed Chaplin). Then we went off on a tangent and talked about our own desire to work in films and make a career out of it. He & I even exchanged our personal info to keep in touch.

 

With the exhibit, there was a panel on the invention of motion picture and the nickelodeons, another panel about the moguls and their rise to power. Still another panel talked of fan magazines and had an interactive screen with questions anyone of you could answer correctly. (7 out of 7 correct, thankyouverymuch!) I guess my favorite panel was "Leading Men/Leading Ladies" with pictures galore (and mini-biographies) of the classic stars you know including Doris Day, Gable, Coop, Elizabeth Taylor, Bette & Joan, Henry Fonda, Mickey & Judy and many others.

 

Marilyn Monroe's red jacket from "Niagara" looked great. (Psst! I know a certain someone it would look PERFECT on!)

 

Seeing the clips from TCM's upcoming documentary and looking at all the movie star pictures made me feel like I wanted to treat myself to some glamor, so after the exhibit I went upstairs to Cipriani's for a cocktail and appetizer.

 

When I first walked into the exhibit, I expected to walk into seeing giant billboard size photos. But no, everything is contained on those panels. It's a lot to read. But hey, it's about movies. And who doesn't like to read about movies. (I love to). Is it worth a visit? Ha! Silly question.

 

Yes it is.

 

It won't be information you don't already know...but there it is, all laid out for you to digest in one fell swoop. What a glorious history the motion pictures has had.

 

Thank you TCM for continuing to laud classic films!

 

:x

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if i can walk or crawl, i will try my hardest to take a peek before they

dismantle it. i'm so glad you got to see it, cinemaven, and i hope many

others here (and milling around grand central) will, too.

 

p.s. were there any give-aways or freebies? you know, chotchkie TCM key

chains, tote bag, etc? i know it's cheesy but i love it. :D

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In Atlanta, at Phipps Plaza, the only freebie I know of, was the Exhibit Guide, which was a 6-page

supplement to the November issue of "Now Playing."

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*"Marilyn Monroe's red jacket from "Niagara" looked great. (Psst! I know a certain someone it would look PERFECT on!)"* - CineMaven

 

Yes, it would look great on MissGoddess, wouldn't it?

 

I have to say, all those questions earlier about the guards and the accessiblity of the costumes had me worried you were planning a *Topkapi* -style heist, flying down through the roof of Grand Central Terminal to appropriate that jacket to a more loving home. But I think your plan to replace it with a Member's Only jacket to camouflage the disappearance wouldn't have gone unnoticed. What a stand-off there'd be in Brooklyn when the authorities showed up to retrieve the garment and you go all *Dog Day Afternoon* taunting the cops on the sidewalk by chanting "TCM! TCM! TCM" to the gathered throng. Even a phone call from Mayor Bloomberg fails to get you to reconsider your actions. Finally, a face in the crowd catches your eye and you hand over the jacket to this man who rushed over from mid-town - Robert Osborne - all the while sobbing "With all my heart, I still love the jacket I stole."

 

Seriously, so glad you made it to the exhibit and shared your reaction here with us. And thanks for indulging my little CineMaven scenario here too.

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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:D:D I loved the tale! You know me so well, though we've only met in Atlanta. You build my gallows high, Hollywood.

 

"...p.s. were there any give-aways or freebies?" - << (( MissGoddess )) >>

 

Alas, there were no freebies, other than the NOW PLAYING guide...and the e-mail address of the cute young man with a beard.

 

I said it before and I'll say it again Miss G., "Leona get outta that bed!!!"

 

Pssst!!! BTW, the jacket would go great with your Lana Turner earrings, Sis!

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hi, sisTa! i made it! i'm glad i did, too, it was really well done and i'm

just in awe that i got to see "LIVE", Vivvy's outfit from GWTW (the one

where she knows how to shoot straight in, if she doesn't have to shoot

too far) and Blondle's red jacket (yes it was still there...or the "substitute"

you replaced it with, T, was REALLY convincing... ;) ) from *Niagara*. Wow!

both women were even tinier than i expected. i knew vivien leigh was little

but MM's outfit was smaller than i thought...i guess she filled it out so gorgeously, ha.

never could i do it such justice, now way, no how.

 

the freebie i got was a packet of "Moguls & Movie Stars" post cards. but I was

eyeing the long sleeve t shirts the guides wore... :D

 

very nice job, TCM, i just wish it had lasted longer than two days, my friend wanted to come

back another day with her son and neice to show them.

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MissGoodness - You got a packet of "Moguls and Movie Stars" post cards?! I was ripped-off! All I got

was the Exhibit Guide. It must've been due to your "handle"; in spite of what Mae West said,

"Goodness has something to do with it."

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ha! well, that's hardly the case as many can assure you. :D don't feel bad, the cards

just have quotes on them, no photos or images at all.

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Oh man, I'm so glad to read that you made it to the exhibit. Ahhh yes, those shirts. That might have been an easier get than MM's red hot jacket.

 

I am really glad you made it out, Miss G.

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The exhibit sounds fabulous, love hearing everyone's experiences!

 

This past Tuesday night, members of the American Cinematheque here in Hollywood got a sneak peak at the doc's first two episodes! Anyone else here on the forums that got a chance to attend? The word "exciting" does not begin to describe the feeling of being in the audience!

 

Sort of on topic, but probably more off topic than on... Not sure where else to post this so here goes: in Now Playing's lovely write up about the documentary, it says something that I believe is a simple matter of transposing words in the final draft. (I work in editorial for a magazine so I know how easily it can happen in the rush of a deadline.) For the Episode 6 paragraph, it reads: "While such stars as Elizabeth Taylor and Montgomery Clift had some of the old glamour, a new and bolder breed was represented by Marlon Brandon, Marilyn Monroe and James Dean." I feel comfortable in assuming the writer mean "Elizabeth Taylor and Marilyn Monroe" had some of the old glamour, and "Marlon Brando, Montgomery Clift and James Dean" were the bearers of that new, bolder breed.

Like I said: rather off topic. :)

 

Edited by: littletramplover on Oct 29, 2010 12:06 AM

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The early reviews are coming in....

 

_The Wall Street Journal_

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304173704575578510548419620.html

"In its sophistication, depth and breezy assurance about the capacities of its audience, Turner Classic Movies' seven-part documentary "Moguls & Movie Stars" is itself a reminder of the kind of film an old Hollywood once turned out. It's complex, elegant and determined to leave out nothing of importance while still managing to move speedily along. It is, above all, a story written for adults, and peopled by them."

 

_The Epoch Times_

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/45030/

"Though traditional in its approach, the film?s subject matter readily lends itself to the tried and true format of generous film clips, interspersed with talking head interview sound bites. Christopher Plummer?s professorial narration also adds a Ken Burnsian air of authority to the proceedings. For movie buffs, particularly those interested in Hollywood?s early years, M&M is overall quite informative and entertaining."

 

_McClatchy Newspapers/Kansas City Star_

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2010/oct/29/bc-tv-moguls-adv31kc-_-entertainment-1200-words/?entertainment&national-entertainment

"Even for those familiar with Hollywood history there will be revelations, and the amount of archival material is impressive, almost overwhelming. The main shortcoming: the series is a bit dry, almost (shudder) academic. Still, "Moguls" lets us understand that what Americans saw on the movie screen was part of something much bigger, not merely an industry but a dominant mythology from which we're unlikely ever to break free."

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Give me my documentaries dry, then, like good champagne - I have hated seeing really good, in depth documentaries passed over in favor of shallow top 100 lists in the last few years. I can't wait!

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I know I am super excited about these documentaries. I am still debating on whether I want to record them to keep. But I guess that is the good thing about multiple showings.

 

It's also great to read such enthusiastic reviews. And I rarely say this but Monday cannot come soon enough.

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Only in today's fractured media world could a journalist consider it a "shortcoming" (albeit, minor) for a non-fiction piece to be "academic". After seeing the first episode earlier this year, I used the word "scholarly" to describe what I had just seen - but I was being excitedly complimentary with my choice in terminology. (I think I also snuck in a seven-letter adjectivial expletive too,) I was thrilled with what I saw, what I heard and, most importantly, what I learned. Which is why I admire TCM so much - it respects the intelligence of its audience.

 

As the WSJ reviewer wrote (condensed), with a "breezy assurance about the capacities of its audience, ...{Moguls And Movie Stars} is a story written for adults." And _that_ is a wonderful thing which should be sought out by anyone looking for something more than just a unengaging, 60 minute diversion on their television. I mean, when was the last time you had your "capacity" filled?

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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> {quote:title=hlywdkjk wrote:}{quote}

> As the WSJ reviewer wrote (condensed), with a "breezy assurance about the capacities of its audience, ...{Moguls And Movie Stars} is a story written for adults." And _that_ is a wonderful thing which should be sought out by anyone looking for something more than just a unengaging, 60 minute diversion on their television. I mean, when was the last time you had your "capacity" filled?

>

> Kyle In Hollywood

 

I wonder if the WSJ meant that as snark or a compliment.

 

TCM has shown quite a few Richard Schickel (sorry if I'm misspelled his name) docs that I felt were rambling & incoherent. I have higher hopes for this series--more along the lines of what Brownlow has down in the past. I'm so excited.

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If the ratings are good enough for "Moguls and Movie Stars," do you think that TCM will finally air the

classic series, "Hollywood and the Stars"? It was produced by David L. Wolper for United Artists TV,

which, at the time (1963) owned the Warner Bros. pre-'48s and the RKO features, which are now owned by Time Warner. Wolper's company was bought by Warner Bros., where he later produced

"Roots" and "The Thorn Birds," among other mini-series.

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