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Fred, I agree with you. Claudette certainly did NOT look matronly in those films. As far as Mary Astor goes, she has 155 credits, so the general ALWAYS comment made by another poster about her makes no sense., since it's doubtful that poster has seen all of her work. Mary Astor certainly did NOT look matronly in *Dodsworth* .

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I don't think George S. Kaufman saw Mary Astor in that light either. After her diary came to light in Astor's divorce trial in the mid 1930's. Now Kaufman on the other hand, well. I guess he had some unseen qualities....

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LOL fred. To look at ole George, one wouldn't have guessed ;) LOL

that must have upped his rep with the ladies quite a bit.

John Barrymore was also madly in Love with Mary and thought she was a great beuaty.

 

Edited by: lavenderblue19 on Jun 18, 2013 1:22 PM

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Well the 'issue' here is that it is common for people to make a point ONLY based on their experience. Thus when someone says 'always' they really mean 'based on what I have seen,,,'.

 

For example, I believe the same poster said Joan Bennett was NOT sexy and used Father of the Bride as their example. That movie was made in the 50s when Joan moved to playing 'mothers roles'. The poster did admit they hadn't only seen Joan's movies from that period of her career.

 

As for Claudette, yes in some of her early movie roles where she had a more natural hairstyle she could be sexy, but I find her standard hair style to be very matronly (I guess because if reminds me of my mom and her friends). Same with Jane Wyman of the 50s.

 

Astor often had a funkly hairdo as well, but Astor has very beautiful features. I found her to be so in Dodsworth, but not Claudette or Astor in Palm Beach (but the movie is great and funny and it is their acting that counts in those films).

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james, I think you meant that the poster thought Joan was Not sexy, and only knew of her more matronly roles. I think I recall that this poster had never seen her great roles in previous noirs, as most of us have. LOL. Using a general ALWAYS in an agrument really means little and confuses the point.

Yes, as I wrote Mary was NOT matronly in *Dodsworth* glad you agree. As far as the funky hairdos go, so true. I'd include Joan Crawford in many of her films also guilty of awful hairdos. :)

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Yep, that was an exchange that twinkeee and I had earlier.

 

And I advised her to catch "The Woman In the Wundow" and "Scarlet Street" the next time TCM shows 'em, 'cause THAT would surely change her mind about how she views Joan.Bennett's attractiveness.

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Yes, I think John Barrymore was Mary's first love affair. She was very young then. I read her auto-biography years ago, but I dont remember many details now...

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I really like Mary Astor for a lot of reasons: first and foremost: she was a great actress whose primary concern no matter what the film seems to be *not* "do I look good?" or "how I can steal this scene?" or "are they lighting me right?" *but: "what is the truest representation of the character I can put out there and how do I make it inn-teresting?"*

 

Even in film where her role is not that good ( A Kiss Before Dying ) or at the stage of her career when no one was going to mistake her for Ava Gardner ( Little Women, Act of Violence, The Maltese Falcon, The Great Lie and- if I may- an obscure film called Desert Fury, where she really finds some nuance in a kinda throwaway part) *she gives her 100% all,* so much so, it's hard to believe her nickname was "one take Astor."

 

To know the story of her life is to also earn a real respect for her: her career was nearly derailed a few times, once by her messy public divorce, once at the onset of talkies when she was dropped (by Paramount?) for sounding "too masculine" and of course, her assignments at Warner's varied in substance. But in spite of it, she won an Oscar, kept making films up until her death in the mid-sixties and- one gets the distinct impression- *always did her best no matter what the quality of the production.*

 

May I also remind some that sex appeal is 1/3 looks, 2/3 attitude. And Mary had attitude to spare.

 

ps- whilst we're on it, I can think of quite a few "leading men" whose talents were minor compared to Astor but who don't seem to get called out for being "homely" "fatherly" "dumpy" or "not sexy"- Wendell Corey, Barry Sullivan, John Kerr- and I can think of plenty of terrific actors who weren't conventionally handsome but whose looks are not often called a detriment to their work ( Spencer Tracy, Richard Widmark, heck, even Bogart.)

 

ps- and Van Heflin and Wallace Beery and Karl Malden...

 

Edited by: AddisonDeWitless on Jun 18, 2013 2:03 PM

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Mary actually could've been a bigger star than she was. Jack Warner wanted to elevate her to above the title billing like Bette Davis and given the star treatment, but she turned him down because she didnt want the responsibility of carrying a film (this was in her years at Warners). I really liked her voice and she had a ladylike air (when the part called for it) but she could be gritty too (as in Act of Violence). She almost steals that picture in that small part........

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I agree with your take on Mary Astor here. I have her book, Goodby Darling, Be Happy. Nice read.

 

She was full of talent and like I said a great actress. The only knock I would have is that her style in the 40s was not my taste. But I have seen movies where even Lana Turner has a hairstyle that just doesn't work for me. I like the peekaboo look!

 

 

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One also gets the impression that Mary wouldn't give half a rat'sass whether you found her sexy or not- which of course is one of the reasons so many of us love Bette Davis as well.

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I think she elevated any film that she was in. A wonderful actress. I think we most often think of Mary in her dramatic roles, however she was hysterically funny in *The Palm Beach Story* .Really fine actress.

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LOL, Addy.

 

One correction. I think you meant she made films until her retirement in the mid-60s. Mary didnt die in the mid 60s or even in her 60s. I think she was around 80 and died in the mid-80s. After her career wound down in the 50s she turned to writing novels and wrote several memoirs (one of them more a still photo book with comments)

 

Edited by: Hibi on Jun 18, 2013 2:51 PM

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"Oh heavens. I'll put on my orthopedic shoes and we'll go out for pudding!"

 

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"Darling, be an dove and fetch Grandmother's cocktail. I left it on the credenza in the entry. "

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"no, no, no, you naughty boy! Don't look at me!"

 

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"This IS my bathing suit."

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Oh snap. Claudette brought it.

 

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YAH! But a good counter from Mary.

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all right: below are three rounds of the first annual FRAU-OFF between Claudette Colbert and Mary Astor to see quien es mas matronly.

 

fellow posters: scroll down a few to view the models and cast your votes.

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Hey Addison. Now I HATE to be some kinda "Sprocket-esque stickler" here, but SHOULDN'T your caption under the Habit-wearing Claudette down there instead of sayin', "Oh snap, Claudette brought it", ACTUALLY be, "Oh snap, Claudette bought in"???

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I never saw Claudette looking matronly on film, even in her last film, Parrish in 1960. She was always trim and well dressed. Mary did look that way towards the end of career, but not in the 30s and early 40s. She was always slim and stylish too. I dont get the matronly comments for either actress.

 

 

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