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Once again.  MeTV does NOT show old movies.  They show old TV shows.  The Werewolf movie was actually the old TV show Svengoolie.

this network shows mostly old movies.

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Once again.  MeTV does NOT show old movies.  They show old TV shows.  The Werewolf movie was actually the old TV show Svengoolie.

this network shows mostly old movies.

 

The confusion lay in the OP's failure to include the "MOVIES!" network(the sister station to "MeTV") in the title of his "News" flash here, TheCid.

 

The MOVIES! network primarily shows many of the same studio era films which TCM presents, but with the inclusion of commercials, though THANKFULLY(and as I noted a few pages back) with those commercials inserted far less often into a film than AMC does.

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I think the notion that is getting people's blood flowing on this subject is the sense that tcm programmers are not programming for the vast cable-viewing audience but for a small eclectic-minded few.  :)

 

Given that you don't have the slightest idea of what movies "the vast cable-viewing audience"

prefers, all you mean by this is "Why doesn't TCM let me make up its schedule?"

 

I'm sure there are plenty of other people like me who are sick of seeing endless showings of Mickey Rooney and John Wayne and Rock Hudson, not to mention those unspeakably trite and boring "Teen Idol" and "beach party" movies, but we know better than to project our tastes onto "the vast majority" of TCM viewers.  Plenty of viewers obviously find Elvis Presley and Annette Funicello  movies their cup of tea, and more power to them, but it's a big world out there, and not everyone has tastes as narrow as yours seem to be. 

 

Now maybe at some utopian point, TCM will open up its vast holdings and let people personalize their own schedules, but until that glorious day, I'm afraid you're going to have to live with the occasional "Frenchy" film just as people with differing tastes have to put up with all the goo-goo "family" fare that takes up far more slots on TCM than all the foreign movies put together.

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The confusion lay in the OP's failure to include the "MOVIES!" network(the sister station to "MeTV") in the title of his "News" flash here, TheCid.

 

The MOVIES! network primarily shows many of the same studio era films which TCM presents, but with the inclusion of commercials, though THANKFULLY(and as I noted a few pages back) with those commercials inserted far less often into a film than AMC does.

 

 

Is MOVIES! A new network? I hadnt heard of it.....dont think I get it (yet). I do get THIS and METV.

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Once again.  MeTV does NOT show old movies.  They show old TV shows.  The Werewolf movie was actually the old TV show Svengoolie.

this network shows mostly old movies.

You are correct, THE CID, ME-TV shows old TV shows mostly. SVENGOLIE on Sat nights is one of the exceptions. I do watch Svengolie if he is showing an old horror film that I want to see, and TCM is showing a film that I'm just not interested in seeing at that moment. Svengolie does repeat movies every few months in their rotation. It's not a new show, it's re-runs.I think you mean that Me-TV shows OLD TV shows NOT old movies mostly. Your last sentence needs a does not inserted after network. As stated over and over on this thread ME-TV is NOT a threat to TCM,since it mostly shows old tv shows and NOT movies, and has commercials to boot. The title of the thread is misleading, imo.

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"this" is the name of a network.  They show it as "this" (all lowercase), which makes it hard to refer to.  May not be in all areas, but it is out there.  Used to show old TV shows, but has changed over to mostly old movies.

In my area, both MeTV and this are the "secondary" broadcast channels for local major networks, e.g. CBS and NBC.

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No, the notion that is getting people's blood flowing is the sense that TopBilled  is the most important and iconoclastic participant on these boards, and that everything he says is exciting, and if it stirs up us stodgey other posters, well that's just because we're stodgey and don't want to be challenged.

 

I'm not just saying this...I rarely pay attention to how many "views" a thread I start gets. (Now, I do notice if I don't get any responses...)

 

It's funny you say that. When I did a directors symposium at USC years ago, where each student had to make five short films in one semester-- we would get feedback cards from our two professors (who were directors in Hollywood) and fellow students. All five of mine were pretty avante garde-- one was a nude film done in a desperate attempt to raise my grade from a B to an A. And also there were a few hot people in the class I wanted to hook up with, so I thought that maybe this would stimulate them to spend time with me.

 

What ended up happening is that I got a lot of offers to be in other people's films (though always with my clothes on).

 

Anyway, on one of the feedback cards (unsigned so I had no idea if it was a student or professor who wrote it) I was told that I was an iconoclast. That bothered me for weeks. I thought my style was overtaking substance (the points I was trying to make in my films). Then, I realized this was not a bad thing and I came to revel in it. LOL

 

I want to make a separate, reflexive thread about thread views...because I think it's an interesting topic that might draw comments (or it could fall flat, we'll see).

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The confusion lay in the OP's failure to include the "MOVIES!" network(the sister station to "MeTV") in the title of his "News" flash here, TheCid.

 

The MOVIES! network primarily shows many of the same studio era films which TCM presents, but with the inclusion of commercials, though THANKFULLY(and as I noted a few pages back) with those commercials inserted far less often into a film than AMC does.

 

While most the films MOVIES shows are studio era films they are mostly from Columbia and 20th Century \ Fox.   Two studios that TCM doesn't feature as often as WB, MGM,  RKO and even Paramount and Universal.      BUT to me it does appear TCM is doing more to obtain access to films from those two studios.  

 

So MAYBE TCM is doing more to reduce the chance that viewers will go to stations like MOVIES to see films TCM either doesn't or rarely shows.    But again note I say 'MAYBE'.     Like everyone else here I don't know what drives TCM's programming decisions.

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Is MOVIES! A new network? I hadnt heard of it.....dont think I get it (yet). I do get THIS and METV.

 

I'm not sure, Hibi. All I know is that I switched to cable("Suddenlink" here in AZ) from DirectTV a few months back, and now get MeTV in channel 131 and MOVIES!(and what "Svengoolie" is on) on channel 139.

 

(...and we were going to switch back to our original internet provider and DirectTV because Suddenlink's internet service kept going off and on, but now it appears they've fixed the problem, and so for the meantime we're stickin' with the present arrangement)

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I'm not sure, Hibi. All I know is that I switched to cable("Suddenlink" here in AZ) from DirectTV a few months back, and now get MeTV in channel 131 and MOVIES!(and what "Svengollie" in on) on channel 139.

 

(...and we were going to switch back to our original internet provider and DirectTV because Suddenlink's internet service kept going off and on, but now it appears they've fixed the problem, and so for the meantime we're stickin' with the present arrangement)

 

On January 28, 2013, Fox Television Stations and Weigel Broadcasting announced the formation of Movies!,

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On January 28, 2013, Fox Television Stations and Weigel Broadcasting announced the formation of Movies!,

 

Thanks, James.

 

(...and there's your answer, Hibi)

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Dargo, so now you get to see Stephanie on Hart to Hart! YAY! :)

 

Yeah!  :)

 

Decided to give Suddenlink one more chance.

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Yeah!  :)

 

Decided to give Suddenlink one more chance.

 

 

LOL. Wonder why?

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As stated over and over on this thread ME-TV is NOT a threat to TCM,since it mostly shows old tv shows and NOT movies, and has commercials to boot. The title of the thread is misleading, imo

 

No, ME-TV is no "threat" or competition to TCM. The cable companies are the threat to TCM. The cable companies raised their costs too high for this citizen to afford. (recently reviewed my old check book register & was stunned cable charge was $32/month five years ago-now over $75/month!)

 

Now that I no longer subscribe to cable, I've been enjoying ME-TV, PBS and DVDs from the library. 

Very often I'll borrow a film after it's been discussed on this forum, after it's been shown on TCM. 

Mostly though, when I look through TCMs schedule, there are very few movies I actually want to see.

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As stated over and over on this thread ME-TV is NOT a threat to TCM,since it mostly shows old tv shows and NOT movies, and has commercials to boot. The title of the thread is misleading, imo

 

No, ME-TV is no "threat" or competition to TCM. The cable companies are the threat to TCM. The cable companies raised their costs too high for this citizen to afford. (recently reviewed my old check book register & was stunned cable charge was $32/month five years ago-now over $75/month!)

 

Now that I no longer subscribe to cable, I've been enjoying ME-TV, PBS and DVDs from the library. 

Very often I'll borrow a film after it's been discussed on this forum, after it's been shown on TCM. 

Mostly though, when I look through TCMs schedule, there are very few movies I actually want to see.

 

Mostly though, when I look through TCMs schedule, there are very few movies I actually want to see.

 

Amen, sista! :)

 

I consider it a good day, utility wise, when TCM is doing what it now does best, i.e., show garbage. It's when it is doing what it used to do, i.e., show classically classic movies, especially those I haven't seen, that my set is running all day, since I refuse to give the crooks in the cable company MORE money for a DVR. Thanks to TCM, I am not missing anything by not having a DVR, since there is nothing much on TCM anymore.

 

Yes, the cable companies are the death of good television. When PBS is having a pledge week and TCM is doing what it now does best, I watch NO television unless there is a show I follow on the PAY channels, where schmucks like me pay MORE for what I SHOULD be getting by paying for cable. And even THEN, the pay channels on the overpriced cable for which I pay for the privilege of having, are sometimes m-e-r-d-e (how 'bout that, the idiot censor knows French). The show with David Duchovny, whose title I dare not type, is utter and complete garbage, but it ending, mercifully, and I have to see it to the bitter end. OTOH, True Detective, albeit replete with a facile finale, no doubt to leave the two leads open to more money, was masterful and mesmerizing television.

 

This is, imo, a sensationalistic thread, much like TMZ, since ME TV and even GET TV, which DOES have old movies, are GLUTTED to the gills with commercials, horrid, moronic commercials, and are no threat whatSOEVER to TCM. The good, old, classically classic TCM, that is.

 

AH, the good old days of the good old classically classic TCM.

 

Let the flames begin. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

As stated over and over on this thread ME-TV is NOT a threat to TCM,since it mostly shows old tv shows and NOT movies, and has commercials to boot. The title of the thread is misleading, imo.

 

TikiSoo, one of the faults of the new TCM board is that original posts are no longer identified in responses. Who said this? I can't find it for the life of me, and I wanted to 'like' their post, since 'likes' are the be-all and end-all of everything these days, as exhibited by the moronic television entertainment journalism that used to pose as 'news', where empty headed anchors DEMAND that we LIKE them on Facebook and FOLLOW them on Twitter..........morons, every one of them. Walter Cronkite and Edward R. Murrow would slap the living heck out of all of the viewing American audience..........and I would 'like' him when he did it. :)

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Mostly though, when I look through TCMs schedule, there are very few movies I actually want to see.

 

Amen, sista! :)

 

I consider it a good day, utility wise, when TCM is doing what it now does best, i.e., show garbage. It's when it is doing what it used to do, i.e., show classically classic movies, especially those I haven't seen, that my set is running all day, since I refuse to give the crooks in the cable company MORE money for a DVR. Thanks to TCM, I am not missing anything by not having a DVR, since there is nothing much on TCM anymore.

 

Yes, the cable companies are the death of good television. When PBS is having a pledge week and TCM is doing what it now does best, I watch NO television unless there is a show I follow on the PAY channels, where schmucks like me pay MORE for what I SHOULD be getting by paying for cable. And even THEN, the pay channels on the overpriced cable for which I pay for the privilege of having, are sometimes m-e-r-d-e (how 'bout that, the idiot censor knows French). The show with David Duchovny, whose title I dare not type, is utter and complete garbage, but it ending, mercifully, and I have to see it to the bitter end. OTOH, True Detective, albeit replete with a facile finale, no doubt to leave the two leads open to more money, was masterful and mesmerizing television.

 

This is, imo, a sensationalistic thread, much like TMZ, since ME TV and even GET TV, which DOES have old movies, are GLUTTED to the gills with commercials, horrid, moronic commercials, and are no threat whatSOEVER to TCM. The good, old, classically classic TCM, that is.

 

AH, the good old days of the good old classically classic TCM.

 

Let the flames begin. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

As stated over and over on this thread ME-TV is NOT a threat to TCM,since it mostly shows old tv shows and NOT movies, and has commercials to boot. The title of the thread is misleading, imo.

 

TikiSoo, one of the faults of the new TCM board is that original posts are no longer identified in responses. Who said this? I can't find it for the life of me, and I wanted to 'like' their post, since 'likes' are the be-all and end-all of everything these days, as exhibited by the moronic television entertainment journalism that used to pose as 'news', where empty headed anchors DEMAND that we LIKE them on Facebook and FOLLOW them on Twitter..........morons, every one of them. Walter Cronkite and Edward R. Murrow would slap the living heck out of all of the viewing American audience..........and I would 'like' him when he did it. :)

Good post!  :D

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Once again.  MeTV does NOT show old movies.  They show old TV shows.  The Werewolf movie was actually the old TV show Svengoolie.

this network shows mostly old movies.

this post got me curious so i asked sven if he is still in production. he replied, "We are still in production- when Universal assigns us a movie we've already shown, there are older segments and updated ones."

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Primos....do yourself a favor and invest $100 in a good DVD recorder. It works exactly the same way as the old VCRs and you can record things that broadcast while you're sleeping. It's not giving more money to the cable companies, it's a convenience for yourself. 

 

A very good film friend records any "must have" movies from TCM for me, usually 4 or so a month. Paying $75/month for cable to see 4 movies is just crazy. The library has all the movies TCM doesn't, like Disney & Fox films. 

 

Saturday night with Svengoolie is a favorite of mine, but they exclusively show Universal films and that's rather limiting too. You can tell a new episode from a repeat by the coffin design.

I tune into Batman for 3 minutes just to see if Eartha Kitt may be on, but she never is.

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Yes, the cable companies are the death of good television.

 

Is this crazy or is this insane? 

 

In the pre-cable days we had four networks, featuring:

 

No movies without commercial interruptions;

 

A tiny handful of selected sporting events;

 

History and science confined to a few "specials" that were largely starved for funding;

 

"Entertainment" that consisted of a mix of a few great shows and a ton of wholly forgettable ones;

 

All on an analog screen that often flickered and distorted the color, if indeed it was in color to begin with.

 

Sorry, but when it comes to TV, the "good old days" are now.

 

And BTW if your cable TV bill runs about $85 a month as mine does, that works out to about $11.00 a month in 1964 dollars.  How many people in 1964 do you think would have complained about a deal like that, complete with a big screen color TV that costs less in real dollars than their cheesy 21" RCA?

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Yes, the cable companies are the death of good television.

 

Is this crazy or is this insane? 

 

In the pre-cable days we had four networks, featuring:

 

No movies without commercial interruptions;

 

A tiny handful of selected sporting events;

 

History and science confined to a few "specials" that were largely starved for funding;

 

"Entertainment" that consisted of a mix of a few great shows and a ton of wholly forgettable ones;

 

All on an analog screen that often flickered and distorted the color, if indeed it was in color to begin with.

 

Sorry, but when it comes to TV, the "good old days" are now.

 

And BTW if your cable TV bill runs about $85 a month as mine does, that works out to about $11.00 a month in 1964 dollars.  How many people in 1964 do you think would have complained about a deal like that, complete with a big screen color TV that costs less in real dollars than their cheesy 21" RCA?

Nope, thanks for the insult, but not crazy or insane at all. Didn't you see Fred getting all hot and bothered about personal insults? :blink:

 

Point by point:

 

  • Today, you have one channel on basic cable that shows movies (redoubtable movies mostly, but movies nonetheless) without commercials. All others you pay extra. I wouldn't commend cable for that. In the old days, you had Playhouse 90 and the GE Theater and Rod Serling et cetera on regular FREE television. Guess you didn't have WNET where you lived? I watched free movies without commercials since WNET began. Sorry you missed that.

 

  • Don't care two figs about sports. You call the filth passing as sporting events today 'sports'? Um, okay.

 

  • History and science, ditto. I have to take your word for that. I get all my documentaries on PBS, which used to be free.

 

  • Analog flickered and distorted? Really? My CRT set was fine. Must have been your set.

 

  • Good for you, I'm happy that you're happy to pay your cable company for a zillion channels on basic cable, out of which a dozen are watchable, and pay even more for pay channels, which have a few excellent shows, but also have a ton of garbage.

 

But hey, I am assuming your opinion is the only opinion, so suit yourself.

 

EIGHTY FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH?????????????? Wow................................you DO live in North America, yes? :o

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"TikiSoo, one of the faults of the new TCM board is that original posts are no longer identified in responses. Who said this? I can't find it for the life of me, and I wanted to 'like' their post, since 'likes' are the be-all and end-all of everything these days, as exhibited by the moronic television entertainment journalism that used to pose as 'news', where empty headed anchors DEMAND that we LIKE them on Facebook and FOLLOW them on Twitter..........morons, every one of them. Walter Cronkite and Edward R. Murrow would slap the living heck out of all of the viewing American audience..........and I would 'like' him when he did it."

 

I am not sure what you mean by not being able to identify original posts in responses. Sort of like what I am doing now, I am responding to your post using the "quote" button at the bottom of your post. Is this what you are talking about? Or is it the fact that some threads and one Forum was deleted and you can not access them? You can get certain threads brought back. Just ask the administrators.

 

In a white space directly before the post you want to respond to there is room for you to type your response. You can also go into the post you are responding to and edit their post so that you can respond to certain paragraphs or sentences without having to use their entire quote like what I have done with your post above.

 

As far as likes are concerned, we are limited to five likes per day. You can still "like" a post by selecting the "quote" button at the bottom of each post. Then a new window opens up showing the post you want to respond to with a space below for your comments.

 

There is another feature I like which is "More Reply Options". This feature allows you to style your reply with more type options plus if you would like to add attach a file, like a photo, they allow you to do this. Like I am doing right now. Just click on the thumbnail and a larger view appears. Hope this helps.

 

As far as your original post, the one I am responding to I withhold my opinion of the other parts of your response to Tiki.

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And BTW if your cable TV bill runs about $85 a month as mine does, that works out to about $11.00 a month in 1964 dollars.  How many people in 1964 do you think would have complained about a deal like that, complete with a big screen color TV that costs less in real dollars than their cheesy 21" RCA?

 

Andy, just out of curiosity, is your cable tv bill connected with your internet service? Like is is all "bundled" together in a package?

 

Where we live in Colorado Springs, the only cable internet 50mbps is with Comcast. Yes, I am aware of ALL of the concerns around here about the supposedly "evil" Comcast. I have two elements with Comcast. I have their highest speed internet and basic cable TV, which does not include TCM (my choice). I pay approximately $90 per month. The TV part of the bill is "only" $12.00. If I were to receive a higher tier that included TCM I'd still be paying a whole lot more for the internet than the cable TV part of the bill.

 

That is just simply the way it is now. I need the highest speed due to my graphic freelance capabilities. I know that some consider TV as a vast wasteland like former FCC chairman Newton Minlow once described it. But until the cable companies decide to offer al carte programming this is what we have. Some have chosen to not get cable TV and that is okay. For me I would not have even basic cable, but to get the high speed internet I need, I have to have at least basic cable to get that. Hey, I still get AMC and Fox News!!!

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Point by point:

 

  • Today, you have one channel on basic cable that shows movies (redoubtable movies mostly, but movies nonetheless) without commercials. All others you pay extra. I wouldn't commend cable for that. In the old days, you had Playhouse 90 and the GE Theater and Rod Serling et cetera on regular FREE television. Guess you didn't have WNET where you lived? I watched free movies without commercials since WNET began. Sorry you missed that.

Of course WNET is nothing but the local PBS affiliate in NYC, just like WETA in Washington.  WETA showcases all of one movie a week, and 99% of the time it's identical to one of those "Essentials" that gets shown half a dozen times a year on TCM.  Maybe WNET goes beyond that, but I wouldn't know that by watching WETA.

 

As for Playhouse 90, etc.:  Put them all together and they added up to less than 10 hours a week.  With commercials. And anyway, you can see all those shows today on YouTube, or on your TV if you want to connect your computer to it.

 

My $85.00 cable bill for TV includes TCM but not HBO, Showtime, etc.  For the most part I have no interest in the movies those premium channels show, and anyway, for $8.99 a month more, I can get those movies via Netflix.

 

And BTW when did PBS cease to be free?  I know more than a few people without cable hookups who watch PBS every day.

 

Sorry you don't like sports.  To each his own. :)

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