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Healthcare in America?

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America has the finest health care in the world with innovation in drugs and surgical procedures that are the envy of the world. Socialism does not work in this country and never will.

 

Obamacare is on shaky ground.

 

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-obamacare-death-spiral-a-gift-to-2016-gop-candidates/article/2576796

The Affordable Care Act is NOT socialised medicine, no more so than Medicare, TRICARE, VA and many others are.

ACA is a plan to make the "finest health care in the world" available to more people.

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The Affordable Care Act is NOT socialised medicine, no more so than Medicare, TRICARE, VA and many others are.

ACA is a plan to make the "finest health care in the world" available to more people.

 

To me all of the programs you mention are socialized medicine to a degree.    I don't have a problem with them (e.g. the problem I have with the ACA is that for profit insurance companies remained part of the system),  but why not just use the socialized term.  Otherwise one is playing into the hands of the right by buying into the concept that any degree of socialism is evil on its face.

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America has the finest health care in the world with innovation in drugs and surgical procedures that are the envy of the world. Socialism does not work in this country and never will.

 

Obamacare is on shaky ground.

 

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-obamacare-death-spiral-a-gift-to-2016-gop-candidates/article/2576796

 

http://nypost.com/2015/10/19/obamacare-is-entering-its-dreaded-death-spiral/

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Socialism does not work in this country and never will.

 

Americans are just too dumb.

 

And the education system isn't helping that one bit.

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Is anyone (here) obtaining insurance via the Healthcare.gov Marketplace?

 

This past year I saved several hundred dollars a month (compared to what I was  previously paying through my company's plan for retirees) for essentially the same  level of coverage. While I am not anywhere near living in a poverty situation I can appreciate what a big help the Affordable Care Act has been for millions of people, not to mention the guaranteed insurability provisions that are now in force.

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This past year I saved several hundred dollars a month (compared to what I was  previously paying through my company's plan for retirees) for essentially the same  level of coverage. While I am not anywhere near living in a poverty situation I can appreciate what a big help the Affordable Care Act has been for millions of people, not to mention the guaranteed insurability provisions that are now in force.

I am also benefiting in a similar manner. I have an individual plan. Without the ACA, I would have to go without healthcare insurance until I became eligible for Medicare.

 

Going without would require hospitals to render services to me drawing on federal funding which has already been allocated to them to cover uninsured patients. Some hospitals get more funding; some less. Either way (ACA or uninsured), the Fed foots (most of) the bill. I view the ACA's method as being more simplified and transparent, as far as money trails go. Me and the Fed, in effect, co-pay on the same plan each month - it's all handled at the same time.

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"....a top official at pharmaceutical giant Johnson & Johnson dismissed questions about drug price reform and described the company as “responsible” in its pricing,"

 

“Johnson and Johnson’s justification for their prescription drug prices are outrageous,” Vijay Das, a health care advocate at Public Citizen, told The Intercept in response to [Caruso’s] comments to investors. Sick patients and taxpayers are held hostage in order for the drug maker to extract extreme profits.”

Das pointed to investor documents Johnson & Johnson uploaded that show the company spent 12.6 percent of its total sales in research and development, compared to 26.6 percent it spent on selling, marketing, and administrative expenses. This means the company was spending twice as much on marketing and sales as on actually developing the drugs. "

 

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/exec_for_maker_of_150000_cancer_drug_tells_investors_its_20151231

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I can't recall the exact figure.. I believe it was around 4 Billion dollars in profits that UnitedHealthcare claimed for 2014(?). Then it claimed it would lose money if it continued in partnership with Obamacare through 2016 and beyond - so they're gonna exit the system.

 

That's rather simplified. They (and others) may indeed lose money when the Fed pulls back subsidies. Those temporary subsidies were put in place to insure the partnered insurance companies would remain afloat, for the first few years at least.

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"....a top official at pharmaceutical giant Johnson & Johnson dismissed questions about drug price reform and described the company as “responsible” in its pricing,"

 

“Johnson and Johnson’s justification for their prescription drug prices are outrageous,” Vijay Das, a health care advocate at Public Citizen, told The Intercept in response to [Caruso’s] comments to investors. Sick patients and taxpayers are held hostage in order for the drug maker to extract extreme profits.”

Das pointed to investor documents Johnson & Johnson uploaded that show the company spent 12.6 percent of its total sales in research and development, compared to 26.6 percent it spent on selling, marketing, and administrative expenses. This means the company was spending twice as much on marketing and sales as on actually developing the drugs. "

 

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/exec_for_maker_of_150000_cancer_drug_tells_investors_its_20151231

I heard something in the news recently.. NPR, most likely.. there is legislation floating around which, if enacted, would discontinue most or all pharmaceutical ads. This was more involved but that was the gist of it. Basically, it would do to pharmaceuticals what the television ban on cigarettes did to the tobacco industry.

 

If this makes it through, the cable providers and local stations in Florida might go broke - it seems as if nearly every tv commercial in Florida has to do with some drug, medical device or service. 

:P

 

One would think that would free up all those millions as profit but, most likely, those dollars would probably be funneled into the coffers of lobbyists. Just can't win..

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I heard something in the news recently.. NPR, most likely.. there is legislation floating around which, if enacted, would discontinue most or all pharmaceutical ads. This was more involved but that was the gist of it. Basically, it would do to pharmaceuticals what the television ban on cigarettes did to the tobacco industry.

 

If this makes it through, the cable providers and local stations in Florida might go broke - it seems as if nearly every tv commercial in Florida has to do with some drug, medical device or service. 

:P

 

One would think that would free up all those millions as profit but, most likely, those dollars would probably be funneled into the coffers of lobbyists. Just can't win..

 

 

As a fellow Floridian, I can vouch for this. Every single commercial break contains at least one pharma ad. I find it funny that ad breaks start with an ad for some new drug, and the last ad of the break is from law firms filing civil suits over last month's new drug! And I swear the ads are getting more and more absurd.

 

"Do you suffer from flakey knuckles? Over 1 in 20 people are faced with this debilitating hardship. But now there's Skingeliax! Side effects include pervasive brain bleed and pulmonary implosions. Ask your doctor if Skingeliax is right for you!"

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As a fellow Floridian, I can vouch for this. Every single commercial break contains at least one pharma ad. I find it funny that ad breaks start with an ad for some new drug, and the last ad of the break is from law firms filing civil suits over last month's new drug! And I swear the ads are getting more and more absurd.

 

"Do you suffer from flakey knuckles? Over 1 in 20 people are faced with this debilitating hardship. But now there's Skingeliax! Side effects include pervasive brain bleed and pulmonary implosions. Ask your doctor if Skingeliax is right for you!"

 

Got to love (for laughs) some of those drug ads when they say, if you are allergic to it stop taking it.  Well DUH!, how is one going to know unless you try it and think anyone will continue if there is an allergic reaction?

 

Stop taking XXXX if head is about to explode.atomic.gif

 

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Healthcare in America; its all about corporate run hospitals, big insurance companies, and big drug manufactures making big money. If the public gets better care its more by accident then by plan.  With all of the money this country spends on healthcare "insurance"  the public gets a poor return on its investment. And most of the people who actually provide the services (doctors, nurses, therapists , aides, the staff who prepare the food, clean the bathrooms, etc) don't get paid what they should get paid.  In short, the American system absolutely STINKS.  

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I just noticed the Tamiflu commercial ad and one side effect was....Your child may be at risk for seizures!

 

Didn't just a little time back, it was stated  only Conspiracy theorist believed in this.

 

I avoid cold/flu prevention medicines and vaccines like the plague.  So I cough and sneeze - big deal.  

 

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Healthcare in America; its all about corporate run hospitals, big insurance companies, and big drug manufactures making big money. If the public gets better care its more by accident then by plan.  With all of the money this country spends on healthcare "insurance"  the public gets a poor return on its investment. And most of the people who actually provide the services (doctors, nurses, therapists , aides, the staff who prepare the food, clean the bathrooms, etc) don't get paid what they should get paid.  In short, the American system absolutely STINKS.  

Agree with most of what you say.  But specialist MD's and most nurses and therapists are very well paid.  And don't let the "educational debt" argument mislead you.  That debt is paid off well before they reach 30 in most cases.  

On the other hand, family practioners and their office staff are not all that well paid.  Medical staff in government/military facilities are probably worst paid.

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As a nation we are experincing a shortage  of general practioners (the good old family doctors who are like the foot soldiers in the health care system). The last few years I have had several hospital stays and the regular staff is cut back to the bare minimum, obviously  the hospital profit margin is the primary concern there.  And for all of those who make the big talk about how much we owe our veterans for their service and sacrifices (and there are a lot of veterans out there who really need medical assistance) how about backing up that talk with making the  financial commitments needed to give these people what they need?  Golly, maybe we have to raise taxes a bit to pay for this stuff.  But who is willing to make such a sacrifice like that?  Especially among the ones who have the financial ability to pay a little bit more in taxes.

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As a nation we are experincing a shortage  of general practioners (the good old family doctors who are like the foot soldiers in the health care system). The last few years I have had several hospital stays and the regular staff is cut back to the bare minimum, obviously  the hospital profit margin is the primary concern there.  And for all of those who make the big talk about how much we owe our veterans for their service and sacrifices (and there are a lot of veterans out there who really need medical assistance) how about backing up that talk with making the  financial commitments needed to give these people what they need?  Golly, maybe we have to raise taxes a bit to pay for this stuff.  But who is willing to make such a sacrifice like that?  Especially among the ones who have the financial ability to pay a little bit more in taxes.

The problem here is that the current Republican Party is pretty much opposed to this, when it comes time to actually put up the money.  They'll wave the flag and salute the military and all that, but won't pay for it.  Additionally, all politicians and 99% of Americans do not understand that when you put someone in uniform, you just made a potential 70 year committment.  This is much more so when those personnel are sent into harm's way where the likilhood of permanent disability significantly increases.

A war is not a trillion dollar a year expense for a few years, it is a trillion dollar a year committment for 70 years.  DOD and VA are still providing benefits and medical care to WW  II veterans or their beneficiaries.  They earned and deserve it, but it cost money.

As veterans and military retirees and their spouses age, the cost increases.

On a different tack, notice how hospitals have no problem funding the medical and support staff needed for high profit procedures?  How many TV, magazin, newspaper and billboard ads have you sent for heart surgery, joint replacements, ad infinitum?  Make no mistake about it, there are NO "non-profit" hospitals.  The income goes to well paid administrative staff, doctors, nurses, and so forth.  While true that certain departments and their staff will be underfunded.

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caught a few minutes of a c-span call-in. a woman says her obamacare premium of 300.00 a month is too much so she loses it. she gets married recently and it's now 500.00 a month. can't afford it she says citing an example of 52.00 for a bottle of cough medicine...
that's enough to give one a cough! :angry:

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If America wasn't so deeply corrupt it would've had single payer health care decades ago.

 

But it is corrupt. To its core.

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If America wasn't so deeply corrupt it would've had single payer health care decades ago.

 

But it is corrupt. To its core.

yes, and so is the rest of the world, conservative and progressive alike...

but that doesn't alter the fact that egocentric obama rammed the aca down america's throat with or without a broad public concensus.

did he really do it for the american people or just to exalt his ego in his own mind? I think the latter. I really do...

 

when is he gonna get those hostages out of iran? :huh:

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yes, and so is the rest of the world, conservative and progressive alike...

but that doesn't alter the fact that egocentric obama rammed the aca down america's throat with or without a broad public concensus.

did he really do it for the american people or just to exalt his ego in his own mind? I think the latter. I really do...

 

when is he gonna get those hostages out of iran? :huh:

perhaps obama can have their iranian captors show them pictures of him golfing in hawaii to spiritually reinvigorate them.

 

and this was the guy who was supposed to be so much better than george w. bush??? :mellow:

 

"I don't no whether to laugh at the kind of megalomania or simply cry!" -jordan lyman (fredric march), seven days in may

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In his speech this afternoon regarding the mentally ill obtaining guns, Obama said with a smile and people laughing, the ACA was also known as Obamacare by which the plan suppose to help them.

 

About time he directly admitted it.

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In his speech this afternoon regarding the mentally ill obtaining guns, Obama said with a smile and people laughing, the ACA was also known as Obamacare by which the plan suppose to help them.

 

About time he directly admitted it.

 

Nothing's gonna help Americans - sure as hell not anything backed by Republicans.

 

The Affordable Care Act enacted during Obama's presidency is failing because it was way too little for America's health care problems and the corporate co-operation, now that they've taken all the profits out they possibly can, is being pulled out from under it.

 

Until single payer becomes the established health care system, you're all screwed. Except the wealthy, of course.

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