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Healthcare in America?

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More deflecting from what my message was about.   Gupta made no comment one way or the other on the man's own story.  Why don't you just give up if you don't have anything relevant to add.

 

You sure are mad the utopian ACA everyone expected didn't work as planned. 

 

The Canadian system like all socialized medicine, one waits in line for a long time to get minimal care.  

 

Doctors / hospitals - I never trusted them long before ACA ever became a topic.

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I remember when I was dating a Canadian, I thought their "universal health care" was a great thing-until I was told how inefficient it was! I didn't understand until someone in the house with allergies was stung by a bee- the "emergency" number was called, they were put on hold, then told we'd be called back with an appointment for treatment. Never happened. The person had to be taken to the emergency room.

OK, so the Canadian System wasn't working very well.

 

Now that Obamacare has come to fruition, I'm happy to finally have decent coverage (I still think Insurance is a huge scam) but who'da thought.....I CAN'T GET AN APPOINTMENT! I call the office to make an appointment, and the phone rings over 5 minutes with no answer. If they DO answer, I tell them I want an appointment, they "transfer" me and I get the unanswered ringing phone AGAIN, another 10-15 minutes before I hang up in disgust.

 

I have a chronic condition and need to be examined because of a new issue developing. I've been calling the Dr office for at least 4 months trying to get ANYONE to answer the phone. I hate to do it, but it seems like the only way I'm going to ever be seen is to walk into the "urgent care" section of the clinic.

 

I understand what my Canadian friends were talking about.

 

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The Canadian system like all socialized medicine, one waits in line for a long time to get minimal care.  

 

Absolute nonsense. You clearly have no idea what we have up here.

 

I'm very poor - no money at all; no property; no position, but I've received excellent medical care - care that would have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in the U.S. - and I've never been charged a nickel for any of it.

 

There are some waiting lists for some types of medical service, yes. But, unless it's an emergency - which will move you up naturally - its only fair. We simply don't agree that having money should allow you to butt in line.

 

Canada has a far-superior to the U.S. system of medical service for its citizens - and it's at half the cost per capita that you people pay.

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You sure are mad the utopian ACA everyone expected didn't work as planned. 

 

The Canadian system like all socialized medicine, one waits in line for a long time to get minimal care.  

 

Doctors / hospitals - I never trusted them long before ACA ever became a topic.

 

For some people it was the only option.  But i keep forgetting it is everyone out for himself in America.  Fine until your number comes up.  

At least you are posting what you really think here instead of the veiled humour to deflect the message of the previous poster.

My point with my post was that guy who voted for Trump who had no insurance before and will now have no insurance again - someone who is broke and in ill health - now has only himself to blame for his woes.  No insurance company will touch him and he knows that.

As Bernie said, Obamacare needed to be changed, not scrapped.  It was nothing like what we have in Canada.  I've been self-employed all my life and treatments for my mother and wife would have bankrupted me but as DB said, they cost me zero.  And the treatment was excellent too.

By the way, do you think all health care in Europe is ****?

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Health care was flawed before the ACA, and I suppose the Canadian system is a bit too, but not being Canadian, I can only go by what I hear.  And what I hear is, that it's NOT perfect, but works well enough. 

 

But, the HIPPOCRATIC oath has turned into the HYPOCRITICAL oath.  And the "First, do no harm" bit refers mostly to doctor's financial portfolios.

 

Or their GOLF SCORES.

 

It certainly is duplicitous of many Americans to mock and deride the Canadian health system while scurrying to obtain affordable pharmecuticals  from Canada.  And as a U.S. citizen, it does make me kinda ashamed.

 

I'd apologize to our Canadian membership of these forums if not for the fact that it's not my place.

 

 

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But, the HIPPOCRATIC oath has turned into the HYPOCRITICAL oath.  And the "First, do no harm" bit refers mostly to doctor's financial portfolios.

 

Or their GOLF SCORES.

 

 

 

 

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That is part of the reason why people cannot afford health care.   

 

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Absolute nonsense. You clearly have no idea what we have up here.

 

I'm very poor - no money at all; no property; no position, but I've received excellent medical care - care that would have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in the U.S. - and I've never been charged a nickel for any of it.

 

There are some waiting lists for some types of medical service, yes. But, unless it's an emergency - which will move you up naturally - its only fair. We simply don't agree that having money should allow you to butt in line.

 

Canada has a far-superior to the U.S. system of medical service for its citizens - and it's at half the cost per capita that you people pay.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435131/Friends-girl-18-leukemia-sign-casket-loving-messages-final-goodbye-died-waiting-hospital-bed-shortage-Canada.html

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I can only imagine how much sooner that poor girl would've died in the U.S. where some for-profit insurance company would've had to sign off on all the years of treatment she received up here.

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Here there was some hope, like St. Jude, she was 18.

 

And the 1,843 teens that died from leukemia in the U.S. last year?

 

Guess how many of those didn't get all the treatment money could buy.

 

Sure, people with money have a better deal down there.

 

Up here, there's no butting in front of someone else who is just as much in need as you are. Everyone is as valuable as anyone else. We actually try to give our citizens the medical care they need, even if their status in life is ordinary.

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And the 1,843 teens that died from leukemia in the U.S. last year?

 

Guess how many of those didn't get all the treatment money could buy.

 

Sure, people with money have a better deal down there.

 

Up here, there's no butting in front of someone else who is just as much in need as you are. Everyone is as valuable as anyone else. We actually try to give our citizens the medical care they need, even if their status in life is ordinary.

 

Sad thing is that not all children with cancer are curable regardless where one lives. :(   

The survival rate has improved but bone cancer is the hardest to treat.

 

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Sad thing is that not all children with cancer are curable regardless where one lives.

 

Yep. That is sad.

 

I can't help but wonder how many fewer would die in the U.S. if it wasn't for their system of for-profit insurance companies approving and disapproving treatment based on which "plan" a patient has as well as the insurance company's bottom line margin.

 

Thankfully, insurance company profitability is not a consideration in Canada - and our money goes so much further toward actual patient care when we have no insurance companies taking half the money out of the system to begin with.

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Yep. That is sad.

 

I can't help but wonder how many fewer would die in the U.S. if it wasn't for their system of for-profit insurance companies approving and disapproving treatment based on which "plan" a patient had as well as the insurance company's bottom line margin.

 

 

 

 

And you have the "Alternative" cancer treatment some chose thrown into the mix.

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And you have the "Alternative" cancer treatment some chose thrown into the mix.

 

"The alternative cancer treatment some chose" (or is that supposed to be choose)?

 

What is that?

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"The alternative cancer treatment some chose" (or is that supposed to be choose)?

 

What is that?

Alternative cancer treatment is what Steve Jobs did when he was diagnosed in 2003 with one of the few very treatable forms of pancreatic cancer.  Instead of surgery he drank carrot juice.  He didn't have surgery until 2004, and by then it was too late. If he had just had the surgery in 2003 he might still be with us. DarkBlue, we'll likely NEVER have single payer healthcare in the US because my fellow Americans are told this is SOCIALISM!!!!!!!   EEEEEEEEEEEK!  And they have managed to equate socialism to Russian soldiers marching down the street saluting statues of Lenin. But maybe with Trump in office we'll have that anyways. But I digress. The point is, they don't seem to realize that western Europe has had democratic Socialism for decades, and several times have voted the socialists out of office, and they went peaceably, just like when we have elections.

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Alternative cancer treatment is what Steve Jobs did when he was diagnosed in 2003 with one of the few very treatable forms of pancreatic cancer.  Instead of surgery he drank carrot juice.  He didn't have surgery until 2004, and by then it was too late. If he had just had the surgery in 2003 he might still be with us. DarkBlue, we'll likely NEVER have single payer healthcare in the US because my fellow Americans are told this is SOCIALISM!!!!!!!   EEEEEEEEEEEK!  And they have managed to equate socialism to Russian soldiers marching down the street saluting statues of Lenin. But maybe with Trump in office we'll have that anyways. But I digress. The point is, they don't seem to realize that western Europe has had democratic Socialism for decades, and several times have voted the socialists out of office, and they went peaceably, just like when we have elections.

 

Nice points.  I would add that fire stations and libraries are socialism at work too.  It's the ugly right that has conditioned people against spending on themselves and the less wealthy by equating it with communism.  It's a con job.  They want your money for other things.  To line their pockets for starters.

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You got to be pulling my leg.  Couple of examples...Google  Holistic cancer treatment for the others.

 

 

Alternative cancer treatment is what Steve Jobs did when he was diagnosed in 2003 with one of the few very treatable forms of pancreatic cancer.  Instead of surgery he drank carrot juice.  He didn't have surgery until 2004, and by then it was too late. 

 

I think hamradio has Canada mixed up with Argentina or Louisiana or something.

 

Maybe Mexico - isn't that where Steve McQueen went for his "alternative"?

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I think hamradio has Canada mixed up with Argentina or Louisiana or something.

 

Maybe Mexico - isn't that where Steve McQueen went for his "alternative"?

 

This has nothing to do with Canada, but you made a good point mentioning Mexico, they have been one of the alternatives people seeks out of desperation.  Many alternative treatments are down right quackery.  

 

Doubt if anything or anyone could had help Steve McQueen since he was a heavy smoker adding to his exposure to asbestos.  Who ever thought a motorcycle could contribute to  lung cancer? 

 

https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/steve-mcqueen-death/

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11165624/ns/health-cancer/t/late-stage-cancer-patients-flock-mexico/#.WHOtmdQrJgs

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"The alternative cancer treatment some chose" (or is that supposed to be choose)?

 

What is that?

 

"Chose" would refer to those who had already made the choice.  "Choose" is more of a generalization and indicates no specific group of people.

 

Regardless....if "alternative" methods of treatment for ANY malady had ANY validity, then they'd cease to BE "alternative".

 

 

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"Chose" would refer to those who had already made the choice. "Choose" is more of a generalization and indicates no specific group of people.

 

Regardless....if "alternative" methods of treatment for ANY malady had ANY validity, then they'd cease to BE "alternative".

 

 

Sepiatone

 

Alternative methods in American Medicine refer to anything that is not sanctioned by the AMA.

 

Primarily these methods are natural and homeopathic methods that have been in use for hundreds of years by human beings in the world who did not have a degree from the Harvard Medical School.LOL

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I love the hospital scene in "Star Trek IV" (1986) what Dr McCoy said after listening in on doctors discussing cancer treatments.

 

Dr McCoy.....Sounds like the GD Spanish Inquisition to me. :lol: 

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Alternative methods in American Medicine refer to anything that is not sanctioned by the AMA.

 

Primarily these methods are natural and homeopathic methods that have been in use for hundreds of years by human beings in the world who did not have a degree from the Harvard Medical School.LOL

 

On a sidenote, there's this.....

 

My Grandmother used to have a small cork board on the wall  next to the steps going down to the landing of her side door.  On it, she had a clipped newspaper item that reported a study by some university that rshearched the "old time" remedy of CHICKEN SOUP that mentioned it was discovered the little fat globules often seen floating around the broth of homemade chicken broth contain enzymes that are naturally attuned at relieving the prominent symptoms of the common cold and flu.

 

So, that chicken soup deal is more than an "old wives tale" after all!

 

 

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On a sidenote, there's this.....

 

My Grandmother used to have a small cork board on the wall  next to the steps going down to the landing of her side door.  On it, she had a clipped newspaper item that reported a study by some university that rshearched the "old time" remedy of CHICKEN SOUP that mentioned it was discovered the little fat globules often seen floating around the broth of homemade chicken broth contain enzymes that are naturally attuned at relieving the prominent symptoms of the common cold and flu.

 

So, that chicken soup deal is more than an "old wives tale" after all!

 

 

Sepiatone

 

When one is nauseated from a cold or flu, chicken soup for some reason is the only thing one can eat and keep down.

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