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Merkel Critic Says Chancellor’s Refugee Policy Is a ‘Time Bomb’

"We have to put our heads out of the clouds and put our feet down to earth just to find solutions to this problem,” said Pazderski, a retired German army officer who worked for several years with General David Petraeus at U.S. Central Command in Tampa, Florida. “Even the British went out of the EU because of this refugee crisis, which means we have to make realistic policy, we have to look to Realpolitik to what we can do.”

Read Bloomberg > http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-09/merkel-critic-says-chancellor-s-refugee-policy-is-a-time-bomb

BUILD THE WALL. KEEP 'EM OUT. ROUND 'EM UP. BOOT 'EM OUT. BAD ONES WIPE 'EM OUT.

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Germany May Ban Burqas

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 Read Truth Revolt > http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/germany-may-ban-burqas

Build the Wall. Keep 'em out. Round 'em up. Boot 'em out. Bad ones wipe 'em out.

 

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This news headline combined with you editorial of 'round em up. boot em out' is very clearly a from of racism at its worst.  Save this for your K K K meetings, Jake.

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This news headline combined with you editorial of 'round em up. boot em out' is very clearly a from of racism at its worst.  Save this for your K K K meetings, Jake.

 

Come on. Trump supporters aren't racists. They just don't like Mexicans or other Latinos. Or Muslims. Or people who look like they might be Muslim. Or the Chinese. Or black people that complain about stuff. Or gays. Or "feminists" (women who complain about anything).

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Come on. Trump supporters aren't racists. They just don't like Mexicans or other Latinos. Or Muslims. Or people who look like they might be Muslim. Or the Chinese. Or black people that complain about stuff. Or gays. Or "feminists" (women who complain about anything).

 

Wanting something done about illegal immigration doesn't make one a racist.    The USA doesn't need more unskilled and uneducated immigrants that can be exploited by employers therefore keeping wages down for citizens.   Granting amnesty for about 60% of those already here (e.g. the so called dreamers),  makes sense but those that don't qualify have to return to their own country.  

 

As for Muslims;   I can support not granting visas to any religious fundamentalist.   E.g.  Orthodox Jews in Israel.   Just look at what they are doing to secular Jews wishing to pray at the wailing wall.    Most religious fundamentalist are anti-gay and anti-women and don't respect the rule of law (but instead some mythical 'god's law'.   The USA is a secular country that already have enough home grown religionist nut cases.

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This news headline combined with you editorial of 'round em up. boot em out' is very clearly a from of racism at its worst.  Save this for your K K K meetings, Jake.

 

Actually Bogie, I think this news is more a move away from the concept of "Religious Freedom", and a concept people like Jake and many of Trump's followers SAY they believe in, and thus of course and once again making them even BIGGER hypocrites!

 

Although personally I must admit MY feelings about THIS particular issue here are pretty much the thought of: How on earth can you ever reach backward thinking people like these and BRING 'em kicking and screaming into modern times where women should be treated as equals, IF they're allowed to continue in their backward-a** ways by covering up women in this fashion, HUH?!!!

 

(...and so I guess THIS must make ME as big a freakin' "racist" as Jake here, EH?!...but of course in MY case, I think ANYBODY who "wears their freakin' religion on their sleeve", and no matter WHAT their freakin' religion happens to be, needs to seek professional help for their freakin' personal issues!)  LOL

 

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Wanting something done about illegal immigration doesn't make one a racist.    The USA doesn't need more unskilled and uneducated immigrants that can be exploited by employers therefore keeping wages down for citizens.   Granting amnesty for about 60% of those already here (e.g. the so called dreamers),  makes sense but those that don't qualify have to return to their own country.  

 

As for Muslims;   I can support not granting visas to any religious fundamentalist.   E.g.  Orthodox Jews in Israel.   Just look at what they are doing to secular Jews wishing to pray at the wailing wall.    Most religious fundamentalist are anti-gay and anti-women and don't respect the rule of law (but instead some mythical 'god's law'.   The USA is a secular country that already have enough home grown religionist nut cases.

 

I can always count on you showing up when this bell is rung. ;)

 

When I call out such rhetoric as racist, I am not calling immigration reform racist, nor is anyone else around here as far as I know. What I'm calling racist is the language that disparages an ethnic group in broad generalizations. "They're rapists, they're murderers, some are decent people, I suppose." The implication with those words is that a minority of illegal immigrants are decent people, while a majority are depraved maniacs waiting to rape your daughters. The facts prove that that is complete ********, and it's either staggering ignorance, or calculated race-baiting. Add that to Jake's repeated calls to "Wipe 'Em Out", and the notion that there's something beyond sensible immigration reform at work here is evident. 

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 in MY case, I think ANYBODY who "wears their freakin' religion on their sleeve", and no matter WHAT their freakin' religion happens to be, needs to seek professional help for their freakin' personal issues!

 

To paraphrase something Jake's said in the past, religion is a mental disorder.

 

I'd rather we didn't have any of it, but a lot of people need magical thinking to get by, or the threat of supernatural punishment to stop them from going on rape/murder sprees, so I guess we're stuck with it.

 

I don't begrudge people anything that brings them peace of mind, as long as they don't try to control anyone else's life as part of it.

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It's equally offensive to accuse others as racist who believe in the rule of law and that those laws should be enforced.

 

Those who cry racist should just come out and admit they believe in open borders and all that entails.

 

Have a great evening.

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To paraphrase something Jake's said in the past, religion is a mental disorder.

 

I'd rather we didn't have any of it, but a lot of people need magical thinking to get by, or the threat of supernatural punishment to stop them from going on rape/murder sprees, so I guess we're stuck with it.

 

WAIT now, Lawrence! You're sayin' JAKE said THAT?!!!

 

Well well, then it seems I've might've misjudged that there good ol' boy from the Bible Belt a little then, huh! Maybe there IS hope for that there good ol' boy after ALL, huh!

 

(...still though, what a shame he seems to "believe" all the crap that comin' out of that blowhard man-child of New Yorker's mouth, ain't it) ;)

 

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WAIT now, Lawrence! You're sayin' JAKE said THAT?!!!

 

His quote was "Liberalism is a mental disorder", an oft-repeated mantra among the wing-nuts.

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To paraphrase something Jake's said in the past, religion is a mental disorder.

 

I'd rather we didn't have any of it, but a lot of people need magical thinking to get by, or the threat of supernatural punishment to stop them from going on rape/murder sprees, so I guess we're stuck with it.

 

 

This is neither here nor there but it's a true story - -

 

In our insular Midwestern Community after 9/11 people were on edge.

 

There was a Sikh Asian-American gentleman who worked downtown. He was badly beaten walking to work by locals who identified him as a Muslim.

 

Some Sikhs are not allowed to cut their hair. Those members wear some kind of a turban like scarf linen around their head. I'm sure there's a technical term for it but I don't know it.

 

Anyway this gentleman was beaten because he looked Middle Eastern to the locals who wanted to get themselves some Revenge on Muslims for 9/11.

 

Despite how upset that man had the right to be, he went to the local newspaper and appeared in an article on the front page explaining who and what he was and that he was not a Muslim.

 

He felt that might prevent him from being the target of future attacks.

 

So in this particular case his religion forced him to wear some kind of a head scarf that did cause him to stand out from others in an ordinary American town.

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It's equally offensive to accuse others as racist who believe in the rule of law and that those laws should be enforced.

 

Those who cry racist should just come out and admit they believe in open borders and all that entails.

 

Read my response to James to see why what you and Trump say on the matter is objectionable. The fact that someone has to explain that to you pretty much assures that the point will be lost on you.

 

Have a terrible evening.  B)

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It's equally offensive to accuse others as racist who believe in the rule of law and that those laws should be enforced.

 

Those who cry racist should just come out and admit they believe in open borders and all that entails.

 

Have a great evening.

 

Why THANKS Jake, you good ol' boy you.

 

Y'all have a great evenin' YOURSELF!

 

Yep folks, say whatcha want 'bout ol' Jake here, but ya gotta ADMIT the man is suuuuuure courteous, wouldn't ya say?!!! LOL

 

(...oh, and btw Jake, you good ol' boy you, THIS Centrist here, yeah THAT'S right CENTRIST, doesn't believe in that "Open Borders" concept EITHER...nope, I believe in the concept of organized and controlled immigration...and yep, EVEN for those idiots in the world who as I said here "wear their freakin' religion on their sleeve"...ya see, I hold out the hope that by their second or third generation living within a MODERN secular society, like say Germany here, and away from the dysfunctional religious societies from where they fled, that second or third generation just MIGHT see WHY that modern secular society they now reside within IS a superior place to reside)

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His quote was "Liberalism is a mental disorder", an oft-repeated mantra among the wing-nuts.

 

OH, well, in THAT case, and as the great Gilda Radner in the guise of character Emily Letella was noted for saying...

 

"That's very different then. Never mind."

 

(...and here for second I thought that was some hope for our resident good ol' boy Jake here...I guess that'll teach me)

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(...oh, and btw Jake, you good ol' boy you, THIS Centrist here, yeah THAT'S right CENTRIST, doesn't believe in that "Open Borders" concept EITHER...nope, I believe in the concept of organized and controlled immigration...

You should. You live in Arizona and have lived in California. You are probably more informed on illegal immigration than most here. I lived in Houston, Texas, a sanctuary city, so I have seen it up close and personal, too. 

 

Have a great evening.

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This is neither here nor there but it's a true story - -

 

In our insular Midwestern Community after 9/11 people were on edge.

 

There was a Sikh Asian-American gentleman who worked downtown. He was badly beaten walking to work by locals who identified him as a Muslim.

 

Some Sikhs are not allowed to cut their hair. Those members wear some kind of a turban like scarf linen around their head. I'm sure there's a technical term for it but I don't know it.

 

Anyway this gentleman was beaten because he looked Middle Eastern to the locals who wanted to get themselves some Revenge on Muslims for 9/11.

 

Despite how upset that man had the right to be, he went to the local newspaper and appeared in an article on the front page explaining who and what he was and that he was not a Muslim.

 

He felt that might prevent him from being the target of future attacks.

 

So in this particular case his religion forced him to wear some kind of a head scarf that did cause him to stand out from others in an ordinary American town.

 

Yeah, I remember that immediate post-9/11 story, Princess. In fact, I believe more than a few Sikh-Americans(who as I've said are people who "wear their freakin' religion on their sleeve"...okay okay, on their HEAD in this case, I guess) were unfortunately harassed and beaten by many an idiot native-born American back then.

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Actually Bogie, I think this news is more a move away from the concept of "Religious Freedom", and a concept people like Jake and many of Trump's followers SAY they believe in, and thus of course and once again making them even BIGGER hypocrites!

 

Although personally I must admit MY feelings about THIS particular issue here are pretty much the thought of: How on earth can you ever reach backward thinking people like these and BRING 'em kicking and screaming into modern times where women should be treated as equals, IF they're allowed to continue in their backward-a** ways by covering up women in this fashion, HUH?!!!

 

(...and so I guess THIS must make ME as big a freakin' "racist" as Jake here, EH?!...but of course in MY case, I think ANYBODY who "wears their freakin' religion on their sleeve", and no matter WHAT their freakin' religion happens to be, needs to seek professional help for their freakin' personal issues!)  LOL

 

;)

 

Personally, I'm an atheist and believe that all religions bring more ill than good into the world.  That said, a lot of Muslim women want to wear burqas.  It is their choice.  Either they have been conditioned to 'want' this or we have been conditioned to view this as a form of denigration which they themselves don't see.  But to run a story on women wearing burqas and to underline it with slogans like 'round 'em up and boot 'em out' is racism at its worst.  Personally I think HATE posts like that should be removed and any sensible person should disavow the message and the messenger.

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Personally, I'm an atheist and believe that all religions bring more ill than good into the world.  That said, a lot of Muslim women want to wear burqas.  It is their choice.  Either they have been conditioned to 'want' this or we have been conditioned to view this as a form of denigration which they themselves don't see.  But to run a story on women wearing burqas and to underline it with slogans like 'round 'em up and boot 'em out' is racism at its worst.  Personally I think HATE posts like that should be removed and any sensible person should disavow the message and the messenger.

 

Is it really their choice?    Religion relies on brainwashing and in most cases starts at a very young age.   For example, many of the young women under Warren Jeffs indicated it was their choice to believe in his BS.    If one is brainwashed since they were a child and if they remain under the control of the religion as an adult are they really making a choice?    

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Is it really their choice?    Religion relies on brainwashing and in most cases starts at a very young age.   For example, many of the young women under Warren Jeffs indicated it was their choice to believe in his BS.    If one is brainwashed since they were a child and if they remain under the control of the religion as an adult are they really making a choice?    

 

Many women say it is their choice.  Your American fencer at the Olympics is one example.

Whether it is a result of conditioning  is another question.  All habits, no pun intended are some form of conditioning.  If it means no harm, then so be it.  It should not be used as a reason to round them up and boot them out.

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On the issue of the burqas I believe that exposure to western civilization/values will eventually win out over primitive and oppressive superstition and tradition. I don't think burqas/veils/magic underwear, etc, should be banned or legislated out of existence, as coming to conclusions on your own always carries more power than being dictated to. This generation of Muslim women may not see enlightenment, but their daughters or granddaughters hopefully will.

 

And always remember that all major organized religions place women in a subservient, inferior position in society, and while they may not all be as extreme as fundy Islam, they all have problems in this area. 

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When I was in Rome I happened upon the fashion street next to the Vatican.  It is where the Catholic Priests and Nuns can shop for outfits.  The men's costumes were incredibly opulent while the women's drab garbs seemed more fitting for a concentration camp.  Of course, Catholic nuns are expected to cover up much the same as Muslim women.  I don't hear anyone shouting for them to be booted out.

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Many women say it is their choice.  Your American fencer at the Olympics is one example.

Whether it is a result of conditioning  is another question.  All habits, no pun intended are some form of conditioning.  If it means no harm, then so be it.  It should not be used as a reason to round them up and boot them out.

 

Women are treated as second class citizens (at best) by most religions.   These religions are all run by men for men (like the Jett sect which was designed just so men could trade their teen daughters for sex).    To me that is harmful to a healthy society and contrary to the values of free and just society.    Therefore I don't want people with these values (all religious fundamentalist) entering the country.    Like I said we have enough citizens with these mixed up values.   We don't need to invite more.

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We have the Mennonites in Kansas.

 

It's not uncommon to see Mennonite women and children at Walmart or at Sam's Club. But over the years, I can't recall seeing men with them.

 

You know who they are by their dress. They look like somebody on the Wagon Train TV show for the most part. However the girls often dress just as little girls dressed in the 1950's. But if I recall correctly, they all wear bonnets.

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Where I live we have Meade Ministries, also known as the Endtimers. They are a christian sect, formerly lead by Charles Meade, that believes that we are in the prophesied biblical end-times, and that God spoke to Meade and warned him to bring his followers to Columbia County, Florida, as that would be the only place saved during the coming apocalypse. Us natives were naturally chagrined by this when the Endtimers started moving here in the mid-80's. They began buying property south of town, and opening businesses in town. They only hired others from their church, but their business was open to everyone, and they worked in all manner of small businesses, from car repair to several Little Caesar's pizza franchises, and frozen yogurt shops. When their buying power got to be a bit too much for the locals comfort, there was a (non-violent) pushback, as it seemed they were trying to buy up the whole county and remove non-believers. Around this time, 1990-1991, they gained national attention, and 20/20 and a few other newsmagazine shows did segments on them.

 

All of their children were home-schooled, and they were forbidden from interacting with any non-church members. The women dressed in simple, very old-fashioned clothes, with no make-up and long, straight hair. Most of them lived on the edge of poverty, as they tithed something like 85% of all income to Meade and the church. Meade himself was a recluse, and was rarely ever seen outside of his huge house. Eventually they built a massive church in an undeveloped part of the county. Meade himself finally died, and the church splintered a bit, with many families moving off and their businesses shutting down. I guess they got tired of waiting for the apocalypse. Anyway, that was my personal brush with religious nutjobs. And that's not even mentioning the very large Mormon population (big enough for two temples), as well as more evangelical fundies than you can shake a snake at, several of whom put on huge, expensive "Tribulation House" events every year to try and terrify the non-believer into finding their way to Jesus. I used to go every year to marvel at the extravagance of their Hell House productions, but it got repetitive, and one fundy tried to start a fistfight when I wouldn't prostrate myself before their model Jesus on his heavenly throne in the final room.

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0301235/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

 

Check out that movie for a good idea of what it's like, and for a good laugh or two.

 

Here's a pic from inside the Meade temple...now renamed the Mountaintop Ministry

 

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