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Norma vs. Joan

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Guest K, Sandy

I wouldn't have wanted to be on the receiving end of that Diva Moment, but it's fun to read about!

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Guest o, rita

Sandy, I agree w/you. It's not the first time I've read about Faye's diva rages. She obviously has a colossal ego. I guess she is **** off as she is no longer an "in demand glamour girl movie star/leady lady/name above the title, etc. and not able to demand the outrageous fees that A-list movie stars are paid. Albeit, I have to admit she was much more talented actress and better looking than some of the current divas. I read she had to sell her movie star mansion/estate to finance some vanity play she wanted to star in that nob ody was interested in to give her the money for her project. It sounded like one of those artsy type dramas that might get critically acclaimed, but no one goes to see it. Why do these ego maniacs feel they don't have to pay for anything? That it should be free because "do you know who I am"! Especially, when they have the money to purchase designer "haute coutoure" clothing, jewelry, luxury cars, etc. They make obscene amounts of money for doing something they love and are able to acquire what most people dream about. Oh, well, let me end my pontificating. This post does not belong here!

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Guest Alix

Looks like Joan's getting the "star bio" treatment! I'm excited they chose Joan! She was a fabulous star during the pre-Code era, and deserves it. Now, if only they'd REALLY treat her fans, and show something like SALLY,IRENE and MARY, or LETTY LYNTON (I know...I know...problems with that one!). I am sort of hoping we'll see teasers from some of these silent/late 20's films, but would really prefer the real thing!

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Guest Alix

The only movie TCM's showing for the Joan Crawford "Star of the Month" that doesn't sound familiar to me is one with Ramon Novarro from 1928 called ACROSS TO SINGAPORE. Has anyone seen this one? I'm assuming it's a silent, based on the year. I bet it'll be great to see Ramon & Joan together. What a hunk he was!

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Guest son, jery

"Across to Singapore" is one silent I've simply gotta get on tape! Navarro and Crawford together should be a fascinating experience. Now, as you've mentioned before, Alix, if they could ONLY dig up a copy of Sally, Irene and Mary and that lost goodie, Letty Lynton!

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Guest m, heather

Sure Joan was a alcoholic and she abused her kids but she also was one of the greatest actors of all times. I seen some alot of her movies the good and the very bad. As a actor I have learned so much from her and others like Marlene Dietrich Great Garbo.I wish that TCM would show more of the best women of hollywood.

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Guest Alix

Norma's pre-Code film RIPTIDE will air on Monday, August 19. Be sure to check your listings to see when it plays. I think it's an early morning time.

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Guest Duffy, Mike

I enjoyed the TCM Crawford bio/career special immensely. I also felt sorrow for Christine as well as Joan for having such a dysfunctional family life. Joan certainly lacked a high moral code. Bette Davis was somewhat of a prude, and so is easy to see how those two were such rivals. Davis' judgement of Crawford was pretty much founded on Crawford's "sleeping around". I found it odd that the special avoided the facts of Joan's porno past, and how she used her wealth to buy up most of the evidence.

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Guest Alix

Mike, are the stories of Joan's "porno past" really truth, or are they simply rumors? I've read things that hint at this, but have never really read anything concrete. What are the facts about this? I'd love to know more. Thanks!

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Guest son, jery

Before the Joan Crawford bio was aired on TCM, I read advance previews up heah in NYC and at least one writer mentioned that the "porno pix" saga was discussed. Evidently, this segment was deleted in the TCM bio we saw. I researched this juicy tale in my book, "The Kiss of King Kong," and several old-timers told me that no one today can imagine how wild and swinging the Jazz Age really was--especially if you were a chorus girl on Broadway. Drugs, bathtub gin,wild sex were the norm. Making some extra bucks for performing in a stag movie was considered "kicky." I think Joanie might well have done this. Kenneth Anger published photos from some stag film in one of his "Hollywood Babylon" books and it sure did look like a very young Lucille LeSeur having some fun with another gal.

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Guest Alix

I saw the "Hollywood Babylon" pics, but I didn't know if those were retouched in some way (cut-n-paste?) or if they were genuine. I guess there's no real way to know for sure, is there?

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Guest n, sandra

I think the colour fashion parade sequence was just to show off Adrian's creations. He was Joan Crawford's favourite designer, so maybe she had a part in his publicity. I have no idea why it is in colour and some of those clothes are absolutely HIDEOUS - even for 1939! The hats - or should I say 'head sculptures' are particularly gross......

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Guest Duffy, Mike

I'll bet that both the Kinsey Institute in Bloomington,Indiana and Hugh Hefner at Playboy, have authentic samples of whatever remains of Joan Crawford's risque photographic past.

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Guest Lynne

Here! Here! Show those great 1930's movies on prime time, and show the trite, monosyllabic 1950's movies at 2 am!!

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Guest Lynne

For me, the closest she comes is in Free Soul with Clark Gable, or actually when she finds out in The Divorcee that he husband cheated on her--she looks vulnerable in that scene.

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Guest Baker, Laurie

I love both Norma and Joan. I would have to say that Joan Crawford was the more versatile of the two actresses. She was constantly reinventing herself, rather like Madonna does now. First, she's the silent film ingenue, then the flapper, then the shopgirl, then the heiress-type, then the tough determined business woman, then the soap opera heroine, and finally unfortunately, the screen queen. She showed so much more range than Norma had an opportunity to show. However, I do feel that Norma was the more glamorous of the two. No one could carry off some of those crazy 1930s Adrian dresses as Norma Shearer could. And she could do period films, something that Joan could never successfully do.

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Guest Alix

What's your favorite "Norma" movie? I like THE DIVORCEE about the best, but A FREE SOUL comes in second. I love that long, white satiny gown she wears to Clark Gable's penthouse apartment.

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For my money, no woman in Hollywood has ever matched Norma Shearer for class and sex appeal. She's the lady I'd love to come home to. :-)

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What do you think the odds are of this Joan Crawford movie ever seeing the light of day? It was released in 1932, and it's been over 70 years since it was seen.

 

Will the copyright problem ever resolve itself, or will this piece of film forever be kept from the screen?

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I, too, would dearly love to see the mystical, the legendary "Letty Lynton." When I visited the Adrian costume exhibit at the Metropolitan Museum here in Noo Yawk Citee last year, they featured two frocks from the movie--but not that famous white ruffled gown that Joan's always shown wearing from the movie. I do know that usually when a remake of a movie is made, the original is usually pulled from distribution and rarely shown. Wasn't "Letty Lynton" remade and called something else? I know it's got a long, long history on stage and mabye even in the flickers.

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Yes, it was remade later, in the 40's perhaps, and without all the legal entanglements. I can't for the life of me remember the title though.

 

Since there is a legal entanglement involving a book, when could this possibly see the light of day (or dark of a theatre)? I am not at all familiar with copyright laws.

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Myrna Loy was a great friend of Joan Crawford's , and seemed to be the soul of integrity and class- and I saw or read an interview with her where she said Joan never did the things that Cristina Crawford said, or at least some were taken out of context, and that Christina was a sly manipulative willful child who gave Joan much heartache. I guess know one can truly know but those two, but I'm inclined to with a grain of salt things said by a daughter who would write them about her dead mother and publish them for all the world to see. It smacks to much of spite and revenge.

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I read the following [perhaps] apocryphal story today:

 

"During the filming of The Women, the original billing called for movie stars Norma Shearer and Joan Crawford alone above the title. Co-star Rosalind Russell waited until most of her scenes were completed, then started calling in sick. Her agent informed MGM that she would recover if she were billed above the title The studio agreed, but her name is in much smaller letters than Shearer and Crawford. Still, Russell made her point. Oh those divas of yesteryear!"

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My favourite "Norma" movie is "Their Own Desires" followed

closely by "A Free Soul".

Has anyone seen "Their Own Desires"?

Norma Shearer falls in love with Robert Montgomery only to find

out he is the son of the woman her father is having an affair with.

I am not spoiling the plot as it happens early in the film. There

is tons more action and melodrama.

After watching this movie I fell in love with Norma Shearer, who

seemed so lovely and natural and that beautiful laugh. Sigh.

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