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War on Christmas??

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Wait Mr.6!

 

Didn't "Christmas" already LOSE this "war"???

 

Yeah, just about the time this whole "Black Friday" super-duper shopping day thing started getting really big.

 

(...and when commercialism ultimately won out!) ;)

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we're supposed to call a christmas tree a holiday tree...

 

 

 

 

holiday means 'holy day'.  :lol:

 

I agree with you.    I'm trying to get all my nephews,  who like me are atheist,  to stop celebrating the holiday.    Their girlfriends are also atheist or agnostic but they want to continue to celebrate Christmas in a secular way,  especially once they have kids.    To me that is silly. 

 

But I get pressure from others for not celebrating this Christian holiday.   When someone says 'you don't celebrate Christmas?' I reply with 'what,  you're not celebrating Ramadan?'.

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I agree with you.    I'm trying to get all my nephews,  who like me are atheist,  to stop celebrating the holiday.    Their girlfriends are also atheist or agnostic but they want to continue to celebrate Christmas in a secular way,  especially once they have kids.    To me that is silly. 

 

But I get pressure from others for not celebrating this Christian holiday.   When someone says 'you don't celebrate Christmas?' I reply with 'what,  you're not celebrating Ramadan?'.

Christmas was never a deeply religious Christian holiday. It evolved from pagan and Roman celebrations -- we all know that. Dickens popularized the greeting "Merry Christmas" in his book A Christmas Carol, just as our contemporary conception of fairies comes from Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream.  Although today's fanatics want to make Christmas more religious, the devout 17th Century Puritans actually felt that the holiday should not be celebrated at all! (Partly because they viewed it as a Papist/Pagan/Un-biblical!).

 

So relax and enjoy bringing some warmth to the cold winter.

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Christmas was never a deeply religious Christian holiday. It evolved from pagan and Roman celebrations -- we all know that. Dickens popularized the greeting "Merry Christmas" in his book A Christmas Carol, just as our contemporary conception of fairies comes from Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream.  Although today's fanatics want to make Christmas more religious, the devout 17th Century Puritans actually felt that the holiday should not be celebrated at all!

 

Yes, I'm aware of the history of Christmas but while it was 'never a deeply religious Christian holiday' it is still a Christian holiday, and I don't celebrate any religious holiday since I don't belong to any religion. 

 

Also,  why is someone a fanatic if they wish to make THEIR religious holiday more religious?    To me this is the same as religious people telling gays how to have a Rainbow Parade.    

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It only becomes a fake issue when people want to make it one.

 

I'm totally free to call my tree a Christmas tree and I'm totally free to call my lights Christmas lights and I'm totally free to say "Merry Christmas" to anyone I wish to say it to.

 

I don't expect any businesses to do anything at all in honour of the "season". If they decorate, fine. If they don't, fine. I don't expect government buildings to decorate for Christmas. If they've chosen to not honour a particular religion's holiday, I'm fine with it. There's plenty of "Christmas" going on all over the place - no need to see it in the relatively few official halls of secularism.

 

It really is the most truly non-issue of all the non-issues I've ever heard of. Most people observe the season - I don't see any need to demand that everyone do so or it's a war. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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There's will always be people who tell others how to celebrate Christmas. The original Puritans objected to Christmas. The "Papists" and Pagans loved it. Today's Puritans want to keep it for themselves and criticize things like red cups just like the earlier Puritans criticized the w horing that took place during the season.
 
Here's an interesting piece, which includes this quote:
 
"Trappings of popery and rags of the beast'. Mince-pies, mummers, holly and church services all fell victim to a determined Puritan attempt to stamp out the celebration of Christmas."

 

http://www.historytoday.com/chris-durston/puritan-war-christmas

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It only becomes a fake issue when people want to make it one.

 

I'm totally free to call my tree a Christmas tree and I'm totally free to call my lights Christmas lights and I'm totally free to say "Merry Christmas" to anyone I wish to say it to.

 

I don't expect any businesses to do anything at all in honour of the "season". If they decorate, fine. If they don't, fine. I don't expect government buildings to decorate for Christmas. If they've chosen to not honour a particular religion's holiday, I'm fine with it. There's plenty of "Christmas" going on all over the place - no need to see it in the relatively few official halls of secularism.

 

It really is the most truly non-issue of all the non-issues I've ever heard of. Most people observe the season - I don't see any need to demand that everyone do so or it's a war. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

 

Well said.

 

Fox so called News started this so called war as a way to increase ratings.   Sadly it worked but then Fox is the 'lets get people angry and make much ado about nothing' network.  

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Swithin said: Dickens popularized the greeting "Merry Christmas" in his book A Christmas Carol,

 

Really? I was not aware of that. Thanks for posting it for historical perspective.

 

It really is the most truly non-issue of all the non-issues I've ever heard of.

 

Yeah, but the commercial overkill can be annoying to some. I avoid stores like the plague for Nov/Dec. mostly because of the crowds-I don't mind the music, at least once in December.  

I have an on site workroom in a Mall and refuse to work for the entire month of December. I lose money, but keep my sanity. 

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Swithin said: Dickens popularized the greeting "Merry Christmas" in his book A Christmas Carol,

 

Really? I was not aware of that. Thanks for posting it for historical perspective.

They still tend to say "Happy Christmas" in England. Here's an interesting article about it:

 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2013/12/merry-christmas-vs-happy-christmas/

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I agree with you.    I'm trying to get all my nephews,  who like me are atheist,  to stop celebrating the holiday.    Their girlfriends are also atheist or agnostic but they want to continue to celebrate Christmas in a secular way,  especially once they have kids.    To me that is silly. 

 

But I get pressure from others for not celebrating this Christian holiday.   When someone says 'you don't celebrate Christmas?' I reply with 'what,  you're not celebrating Ramadan?'.

the united states' religious traditions are overwhelmingly judeo-christian so not too many americans would celebrate ramadan except muslim-americans. I guess what I mean is that judeo-christian observances have predominance because of seniority. :D

 

the problem with the left on this is although they are essentially correct on seperation of church and state grounds their rabid desire that no aspect of contemporary american society reflect anything but secularism speaks to a very high level of hostility torwards all religious-minded americans of faith....

 

so that's why the 'war on christmas' because alotta people can sense the hostility. I doan exactly blame them either. the left wants to paint a picture of religious-minded people historically imposing their christian beliefs on everyone since the founding of the united states which is blatantly and historically untrue. the pilgrims' establishment of the annual observance of Thanksgiving proves that a heartfelt faith in the almighty has been a part of america since it's inception. the left isn't happy with just pushing secularism. no, they hafta go after american cultural history as it has been too. :)

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I have always and will celebrate Christmas the old fashion way.and continue to say Merry Christmas NOT Happy Holidays (PC BS)

 

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I still use these, not the LED crap.

 

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Anyone still had the old Union Blown Snowman and Santa?

 

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I have always and will celebrate Christmas the old fashion way.and continue to say Merry Christmas NOT Happy Holidays (PC BS)

 

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That's great, although what you call the old-fashioned way is actually a fairly new way, looking at the whole continuum of the way Christmas has been celebrated (or not). Beautiful photo.

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I have always and will celebrate Christmas the old fashion way.and continue to say Merry Christmas NOT Happy Holidays (PC BS)

 

old-fashioned-christmas-decorating-ideas

a nice picture that will shortly become my holiday wallpaper. thanks!

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personally, xmas has no religious significance to me at all. just a reminder of how pagan observances worked their way into protestant christianity via catholicism.

 

having said that I find the whole xmas holiday rather nice!...

 

a chance to see the homecoming: a christmas story, the 1969 pilot for The Waltons.

 

 

And...

 

 

the gotting of presents! :lol:

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a nice picture that will shortly become my holiday wallpaper. thanks!

 My tree has multi colored BLINKING lights but can't find a photo that comes close.  It is large and thick - sort of like this.

 

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My village set, it's hard to get the thick blanket smooth to resemble a heavy snowfall.  

 

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They still tend to say "Happy Christmas" in England. Here's an interesting article about it:

 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2013/12/merry-christmas-vs-happy-christmas/

 

Hmmm...gotta say I'm a little surprised to learn they don't say somethin' like "Happy Christmaus" over there instead?! Or at least SPELL it that way!!! 

 

LOL

 

(...will wonders never cease?!)

 

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I have always and will celebrate Christmas the old fashion way.and continue to say Merry Christmas NOT Happy Holidays (PC BS)

 

old-fashioned-christmas-decorating-ideas

 

3144613336_5644753eb2.jpg

 

I still use these, not the LED crap.

 

xmaslight.jpg

 

 

 

Anyone still had the old Union Blown Snowman and Santa?

 

77e06416f3226bfa44a3e02c64810c79.jpg

Can still purchase snowman very similar to this at Vermont Country Store.

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Always thought Happy Holidays was created by merchants so they could use one set of decorations for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's.

Or that it was an attempt by good people to be more inclusive of others.

The people that I know who believe in the "War on Christmas" are the least Christian acting I know. Just another example of extremists trying to push their beliefs on the majoroity or criticize those that aren't like them.

There can be Christmas decorations without having religious displays.

Besides, if it ever was a religious holiday, that ended many decades ago.

 

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Always thought Happy Holidays was created by merchants so they could use one set of decorations for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's.

Or that it was an attempt by good people to be more inclusive of others.

The people that I know who believe in the "War on Christmas" are the least Christian acting I know. Just another example of extremists trying to push their beliefs on the majoroity or criticize those that aren't like them.

There can be Christmas decorations without having religious displays.

Besides, if it ever was a religious holiday, that ended many decades ago.

does PBS have your permission to show bell systems old "the spirit of christmas" with the puppets? :P

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Always thought Happy Holidays was created by merchants so they could use one set of decorations for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's.

Or that it was an attempt by good people to be more inclusive of others.

The people that I know who believe in the "War on Christmas" are the least Christian acting I know. Just another example of extremists trying to push their beliefs on the majoroity or criticize those that aren't like them.

There can be Christmas decorations without having religious displays.

Besides, if it ever was a religious holiday, that ended many decades ago.

And as I think I mentioned earlier, the really religious people in times past eschewed the use of "merry" because it connotes too much festivity -- drinking, gambling, and other pastimes that used to be part of the holiday that I would need asterisks to mention. So in a way, the use of Happy Holiday should be more agreeable to the really religious, since the naughtiness implicit in the word "merry" is not used!

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And as I think I mentioned earlier, the really religious people in times past eschewed the use of "merry" because it connotes too much festivity -- drinking, gambling, and other pastimes that used to be part of the holiday that I would need asterisks to mention. So in a way, the use of Happy Holiday should be more agreeable to the really religious, since the naughtiness implicit in the word "merry" is not used!

I would prefer merry because it connotes more holiday fun. :)

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