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Vote 4 your top 10 all-time War-Films-(Given the Iraq war,etc.)

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(*-A.M.P.A.S. winning person or film) As I've noted above on topic list. Film, good film anyway is a metaphor for real-life. Case in point, has anyone on this superb site seen 96's "Courage Under Fire" (***1/2) Ironically about the '9l Iraq/gulf war. With Meg Ryan & *DENZEL WASHINGTON? I also wanted to post my top ten all-around all-time candidates for: Best War-Pictures Ever Produced:

1. "Apocalypse Now" (l979)

2. "Saving Private Ryan" (l998)-(NOTE: Most rank as quite possible ACADEMY'S all-time biggest screw-up, in not voting this BEST PICTURE/A STUNNER!?)

*3. "THE DEER HUNTER" (l978)

*4. "PLATOON" (l986)-(NOTE: Although "Apocalypse," is probably greater sheer filmmaking, this was supposed to be the real deal)

*5. "FROM HERE TO ETERNITY" (l953)

6. "The Great Escape" (l963)-(NOTE: Almost more in the Adventure Genre; close call? & It's legendary score by our oldest living composer: *ELMER BERNSTEIN, was robbed of the GOLD!)

7. "Paths of Glory" (l957)

8. "Battleground" (l949)-(NOTE: One of the all-time great endings! The song that the sang was big on the "Hit Parade" as well! & most of this great picture was actually shot on frozen over sound stages at: M-G-M!) A great year for War flix: "l2 0'Clock High" & "Sands of Iwo Jima," also in competition with this, at OSCARS that year!

9. "The Longest Day" (l962) Not as realistic as: "Pvt. Ryan," but bigger in scope, cast & all. It had 3 directors

10. "BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI" (l957) (Ironically was just on TCM again last night! & whom thinks *GUINNESS deliberately fell on that bomb/handle, just before dying? I DO!)

(Also Rans):

"Ran" (l985) (Akira Kurosawa & his greatest achievement. & yes, I'm including: "Seven Samurai!")

"Glory" (l989) (Not many films have been done on the Civil War? This deserved more OSCAR attention/noms. then it got/phenomenal haunting music by: *JAMES HORNER!)

& "They Were Expendable" (l945) ("The Master" *JOHN FORD'S first film upon returning from the real thing WW2

& probably accounts for it's somber tone.)

(SPECIAL MENTION):

I rank the magnificent epic, about the most magnificent soldier of all-time: *"PATTON!" More in the Biography Genre. But it's all subjective?

I posted this topic, not just because we are again at war.

But that's not a bad reason, come to think of it!

Well, again I thank you TCM fans for reading & even more over If you take part. Because that is what it's all-about. See ya' (NOTE: By the way, TCM & It's editing team, messed-up big-time on a post/topic I did on: *"The Great: SPENCER TRACY," & His 103rd Birthday!

They have reeely messed-up on/over there They have my same answer,etc. listed about 5 times?)

 

 

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I'm a maritime/naval enthusiast and most of my picks reflect that. I love WWII submarine flix, even the slightly goofy ones. I admit though, picks #9 and 10 probably shouldn't have been included. That's okay. I like them. A true fan of war movies might think my list is pretty bad. Sorry for my sorry list.

 

1) Das Boot (1981)

2) Sink the Bismarck! (1960)

3) Destination Tokyo (1943)

4) Run Silent, Run Deep (1958)

5) We Dive at Dawn (1943)

6) Up Periscope (1959)

7) The Enemy Below (1957)

8) From Here to Eternity (1953)

9) Mrs. Miniver (1942) (kind of a war movie)

10) Hearts of the World (1918) (just had to include it, don't know why)

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I'm a fan of WWI moviess--and there's not too many out there. So here's my list:

1. The Big Parade

2. All Quiet on the Western Front

3. Sergeant York

4. A Farewell to Arms (1932)

---end of WWI list---

5. Braveheart

6. Best Years of Our Lives

7. Mrs. Miniver

8. From Here to Eternity

9. A Farewell to Arms

10. Schindler's List

 

**If anyone has suggestions for some good WWI movies, I'd love to know. Thanks!

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Umm...I didn't mean to post Farewell to Arms twice. Number 9 was supposed to be that OTHER Hemingway adaptation w/Gary Cooper, For Whom the Bell Tolls...

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Laura, these may not be the definitive WWI classics that you named, but I've always thought that they caught some of the feeling of the period and its aftermath on film...in no particular order:

 

1. "The Eagle and the Hawk" (1933): Frederic March, Carole Lombard & Cary Grant. March delivers a good early performance as an anguished pilot & good flying sequences. According to Mitchell Leisen's bio, it was much more of an anti-war statement prior to the studio's re-editing of the end.

 

2. "J'Accuse" (1938): Abel Gance, the brilliant director of "Napoleon" directed Victor Francen in this story about a veteran of WWI who seeks to prevent any future war. When he sees Europe sliding toward war again, he calls upon the war dead to return to life--which they do, to the horror of the living. It sounds like a horror film, but, despite some awkward sequences, it is a haunting, powerful film.

 

3. "The Blue Max" (1966): glorious flying sequences, & perhaps George Peppard's best part as an ambitous flyer. It also has excellent work by James Mason as a Junker nobleman who understands the value of appearances better than his petulant wife, Ursula Andress, (who is one of the few characters who seems to be aware of the coming gotterdammerung for Germany).

 

4. "Paths of Glory" (1959): to me, one of the few passionate films Kubrick ever made. Based on fact regarding the 1916 revolt of the soldiers in the trenches, it even has restrained(!) performances from Kirk Douglas and Adolphe Menjou.

 

5. "Grand Illusion" (1939): Jean Gabin & Erich Von Stroheim as prisoner and captor with more in common than they initially realize. One image always resonates for me from this beautiful film: the geranium on the windowsill. Jean Renoir at his best.

 

6. "Dawn Patrol" (1938): though I've read that the original 1930 version was terrific, this version is the only one I've ever been able to find & I've loved it as Basil Rathbone, Errol Flynn, David Niven and others cope with the insanity of the air war.

 

7. "Wings" (1929): the dogfights are still exciting, Clara Bow is pretty cute, and Gary Cooper is here in a tiny part.

 

8. "Cavalcade" (1933): Noel Coward's upstairs downstairs chronicle of a British family from the Boer War to '33 is creaky in parts, though there's alot of acid about the underlying class system here. Clive Brook & Diana Wynyard are the upper class couple and Una O'Connor & Herbert Mundin live below stairs.

 

9. "The Dark Angel" (1935): I'd love to see the original 1925 version with Ronald Colman, but it seems to be lost...this version has Frederic March, Herbert Marshall and Merle Oberon as childhood playmates who grow up and when the boys go off to war, one is lost...or is he? Beautifully done romance.

 

10. "Behind the Lines" (1998): a story that deals with the real life consequences of the anti-war poetry written by Siegfried Sassoon and Wilfrid Owen, who were confined to a mental hospital for their views. The film deals with the shell shock, the bureaucracy and absurdity of war, as well as early efforts of psycholgists to cope with the effects of the war. Jonathan Pryce is in the lead as the doctor.

 

 

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Moira, thank you SO much for this list. I will definately check these out. Behind the Lines sounds intriguing. I've read some of Wilfred Owen's poetry and would find his story quite compelling. Thanks again!

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Sorry about my spelling of 'psycholgists' in the number 10 of my list...of course it should be 'psychologists'...I had to hurry back to work after lunch and my proofreading was poor...;)

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Another WWI film is "Devil Dogs Of The Air", with Pat O'brien. Not to mention,"Sgt. York".

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Welp, as usual Hope this 1 logs? I'm using a method an e-mail pen pal from this magnifico forum suggested!

To moirafinnie12 You cited the 1st ACADEMY AWARD winner for the big one: *"WINGS" (l927) you probably know the legendary: *GARY COOPER had a brief bit in it! But, the ever bizarre & future owner of RKO Howard Hughes-(l905-76)

Did an even better WW1 picture & with: Jean Harlow! Although it did'nt really put her on the map BIG-TIME YET!

l930's very strong "Hells' Heroes." The aireal sequences are astonishing. It's on the whole quite better overall to the forementioned *"WINGS," also. TCM does show it sometimes & some scenes were shot in color. Great List however! Can you believe & as famous as it is. I've as yet to see the entire: "Grand Illusion?" (FOOTNOTE: In reality the ACADEMY in it's debut year. Had 2 BEST PICTURE WINNERS? One was for BEST ARTISTIC QUALITY OF PRODUCTION: *"SUNRISE" won that award! & The other was just BEST PICTURE: *"WINGS" & over the years, only the 1 award has been recognized & the other forgotten!? & it was the only yr. in which they had such a 2 BEST PICTURE CATEGORIES' as well. That also helped the war film, as being the very first ACADEMY AWARD winner for the big one!)

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Thanks nedlato for "Devil Dogs"--I'll have to check that one out too. But I did have Sgt York on my first list--of course, being a Gary Cooper fan! ;)

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To the above reply, to the very intelligent list the

person compiled on WW1 films I screwed-up & the picture that: Hughes actually helmed is called: "Hell's Angels" & not "Hell's Heroes!" DUH? He actually filmed the flying shots, or most of them himself! & they give the genius *ORSON WELLES-(l9l5-85) credit, as he should get, by all-means!!!

But Hughes was just about 25 as well, when he did that movie. The obvious metaphor being *ORSON & "Kane," at 26! I actually got to see the sound stages at: Paramnount/RKO section. But this topic is War-Films obviously. I wanted to give: antarcticexile credit on a couple of his candidates. "Das Boot," is without peer, when it comes to submarine pix! Superb filmmaking & although it went home empty handed. It won 7 OSCAR nods. in l982! & "Run Silent, Run Deep," a good one. Of course one of: *"King: GABLE'S," last few. & whenever Don Rickles is on say Leno. He always cracks me up! & sometimes will speak of actually bein' in a film with *GABLE! Don was about 8, when he won his only ACADEMY AWARD. But he had not met "The King of Hollywood," yet. His very first encounter concerning *CLARK, was hearing him yell "Dive!" "Dive!" "Dive!" Over the loud speakers. He got the chills & it was difficult for him to recover at first. & "The Enemy Below," with the always underrated: Robert Mitchum-(l9l7-97) you may already know this, it won BEST SPECIAL EFFECTS GOLD!

You are a maritime enthusiast & all. Did you see: "Crimson Tide" or "Hunt for Red 0ctober" good one's. But: "U-571" (**-mediocre) Almost forgot a good sub. flick: l965's hardly known: "The Bedford Incident" (***-good one) Most saw: "Pearl Harbor." (**1/2) The attack scene was amazing! But that was it's highlight. Made: $200 million domestically. You've probably seen Hitchcock's l944 "Lifeboat." One of his: (0 for 5 OSCAR noms.) But I reckon' you've seen one of the epitomes' of maritime/naval type classics: *"MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY!" A great film. But this is something you gotta' check-out! "The Bounty" (l984 version) (*SIR ANTHONY HOPKINS delivers even more of a powerhouse portrayal of Capt. Bligh, in my opinion, than even *LAUGHTON! Not to be confused with the '62 re-make with *BRANDO. Which was, just bizarre at times & ok?) (Trivia note: *"MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY" the l935 classic, was actually filmed on & around: Catalina, Island!) Couple tips of naval-type movies you may desire to look-4? The original ship is docked down here, at St. Petersburg pier, for much of the year! It seems so-small inside?

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I cannot believe I forgot a superb maritime WW11 motion picture? *JOHN "Pappy" FORD'S l945 somber masterpiece: "They Were Expendable" It almost makes my all-around top ten list. Let alone maritime/type of war-flix! *FORD had just returned from covering/filming quite a bit of the real deal. As did heavyweight filmmakers: *WILLIAM WYLER-(l902-8l) & *GEORGE STEVENS-(l904-75) & It obviously had a profound effect on them. & "Expendable," was mainly about PT-Boats. A truly great movie. & No-major, if any ACADEMY nominations for-it either?

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"In Harms Way" is another naval epic, then there's "Francis In The Navy" with Francis the talking mule, and "Anchors Away" with Martin and Lewis. Ha Ha Ha... James Dean has a small role in that one. I was in the navy myself, and the only film that approaches reality is "Mr. Roberts". That film captures the mind numbing boredom that accompanies being on a supply ship in the middle of the Pacific Ocean-which is how I spent my service.

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A couple of British war movies that might not be in a "top 10" list, but are worth a look:

 

"In Which We Serve" (1942): Noel Coward's British Valentine to the Royal Navy, loosely based on Lord Louis Mountbatten's experiences. Compelling with little explicit sentiment.

 

"The Cruel Sea" (1953): very well done version of Nicholas Monserrat's novel with the wonderful Jack Hawkins as the conscience stricken commander of a convoy escort ship. Beautifully done.

 

 

 

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I like Korda's THE FOUR FEATHERS ('39) and also two efforts about the Anglo-Zulu War Of 1879 - ZULU ('64) and ZULU DAWN ('79).

 

Some other favourites are MRS. MINIVER ('42), TO BE OR NOT TO BE ('42), NORTHWEST PASSAGE ('40), DRUMS ALONG THE MOHAWK ('39) and Ford's Cavalry trilogy.

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I'm not a great fan of war flicks, but I do have a few preferences (in order below). These are WW1 movies.

 

1) THE BIG PARADE

2) ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT

3) THE WHITE SISTER (oh my...what a weepie!)

4) FAREWELL TO ARMS

5) STORM AT DAYBREAK

6) WINGS

7) HELL'S ANGELS

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Alix, where did you ever have a chance to see "Storm At Daybreak"(1933)? All I know about it is that cool Kay Francis & the great Walter Huston are in it and it deals with the events in Sarajevo leading to WWI...it appears to be in TCM's library, but it's not scheduled currently. It sounds fascinating.

 

"The White Sister"(1923) with Ronald Colman & Lillian Gish is an interesting choice for a war pic too. I almost included another romantic war story, "Waterloo Bridge"(1940) in my list too.

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Pretty-cool to: brad519! You picked l940's great & true to life Adventure epic: "Northwest Passage-Book 1 Rodgers Rangers" That is the actual full title. & It was *TRACY'S

debut in beautiful 3 strip-Technicolor-(which I rank as superior to color stock even today!) Unfortunately for some strange reason, it flopped at the Box-0ffice? So obviously given the title, there was no "Book 2 of Rodgers Rangers!" & I review new releases & last years version of: "Four Feathers," was mediocre-(**-0ut of four stars!)

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Moria, I got a chance to see STORM AT DAYBREAK on TCM a couple of years ago when they had an all day Kay Francis Fest. I think it was a birthday tribute. Kay & Walter are Serbians (can't remember which) and Nils Asther is Hungarian. Walter & Asther are friends, regardless of their heritage, and Nils comes to their village to be in charge when the Hungarians take over.

 

There is a rather historically accurate scene of the assassination of Franz Ferdinand (which was the event that triggered WWI) at the beginning which helps set the historical scene. Nils and Kay fall in love against their will, and poor Huston is caught in the middle. It is pretty good, and why don't you try requesting it?

 

The version of THE WHITE SISTER I saw had Claudette Colbert and Clark Gable in it, I think. It was a 4-hanky weepie, and I imagine it was a remake of the silent version you mentioned.

 

And although I didn't mention it, the 1931 version of WATERLOO BRIDGE is awesomely realistic! There is a scene during an air raid that really gives you a taste of what it must have been like during the war in London. I also like the 1940 version, but this one is grittier. Mae Clarke was a good Myra. I wish TCM would show this one again. I don't think it's been on for years!

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l950's "Three Came Home" is an incredible war movie. Claudette Colbert gives the performanace of a life-time as the American wife imprisoned by the Japanese. Her torturer is Sesue Hayakawa (who actually played the sexiest oriental villain in movies in the l914 "The Cheat"). Claudette is uncanny as she and her little boy are tortured and beaten while her husband is missing in action. The final scene will tear you up. Claudette's role was among the most coveted in Hollywood that year: Bette Davis, Ida Lupino, Joan Crawford, etc. are fought to play the valiant, courageous wife. The movie, by the way, was based on a true story.

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l950's "Three Came Home" is an incredible war movie. Claudette Colbert gives the performanace of a life-time as the American wife imprisoned by the Japanese. Her torturer is Sesue Hayakawa (who actually played the sexiest oriental villain in movies in the l914 "The Cheat"). Claudette is uncanny as she and her little boy are tortured and beaten while her husband is missing in action. The final scene will tear you up. Claudette's role was among the most coveted in Hollywood that year: Bette Davis, Ida Lupino, Joan Crawford, etc. are fought to play the valiant, courageous wife. The movie, by the way, was based on a true story.

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Here is a list of some of my favorites - not in any order just as they came to mind.

saving private ryan

the great escape

platoon

glory

kelly's heroes

battle of the buldge

full metal jacket

courage under fire

forest gump

dances with wolves

braveheart

hunt for red october

go for broke

von ryans express

the alamo

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Sorry but I don't know how to do a neat, numbered list so here goes: 1. Platoon 2 Best Years of our Lives 3. Patton 4. Sgt York. 5. Full Metal Jacket 6. Apocalypse Now 7. The Red Badge of Courage 8. All Quiet on the Western Front. 9 Battleground 10. 12 O'clock High 11. Guadal Canal Diary 12.Glory 13The Enemy Below 14. The Guns of Navarone.15. The Great Escape 16. Pork Chop Hill 17. Tora Tora Tora . 18. Stalag 17 19. Bridge Over the River Kwai 20. Galipoli. 21. Das Boot 22.The Longest Day 23. Hanoi Hilton. 24.Paths of Glory 25.Run Silent Run Deep.

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I LOVE "The Bedford Incident" but I consider it a Cold War drama, not a war film. I even have the Mark Rascovitch novel, which is also excellent. In it, the author makes a nifty analogy between his story of the stalking of the Russian sub and "Moby Dick" In fact, the crew calls the sub by that name. And the parallels between Capt. Finlander and Capt. Ahab are quite striking.

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wow! i can't believe i left off the Longest Day. that has always been one of my favorites since i first saw it as a kid. I finally recorded it in letter box. i've always seen it in p/s on tv and enjoy it even more in letter box.

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