Sign in to follow this  
limey

Shorts in the daily program guide sometimes aren't shown?

13 posts in this topic

When I go to the Full Daily Schedule page, sometimes the filler shorts between the main features simply aren't shown. Other times, they appear just fine. This phenomenon seems to be browser/computer/phase of the moon independent, or basically - totally random. Right now, I'm seeing everything - tomorrow, who knows?

 

Anyone else noticed this, or am I specially blessed?

 

More importantly, does anyone know what the magic trick to seeing the full schedule, all the time, is? (Other than not being specially blessed.)

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When I go to the Full Daily Schedule page, sometimes the filler shorts between the main features simply aren't shown. Other times, they appear just fine. This phenomenon seems to be browser/computer/phase of the moon independent, or basically - totally random. Right now, I'm seeing everything - tomorrow, who knows?

 

Anyone else noticed this, or am I specially blessed?

 

More importantly, does anyone know what the magic trick to seeing the full schedule, all the time, is? (Other than not being specially blessed.)

 

Hello limey,

No, you are not the only one "specially blessed" in this regard. :)

Quite awhile back I discovered incongruities between the accuracy of TCM's posted on-line schedule/s. 

Some inconsistencies I long ago anticipated, for example, when using either the Monthly, or extended Monthly schedules, I understood that not everything would be listed, and that the further out one looked, that some programs would be subject to change (same thing with the Monthly hard copy TCM Guide, which I receive in the mail). So while I always copied the extended monthly schedule/s I would compare it to the Full Daily Schedule during the actual week, for what I then believed to be the most current and accurate schedule. 

I then discovered that there would occasionally be "errors" in the Full Daily Schedule, and (as you noticed) that sometimes the in-between feature short subjects would not always be listed.

When comparing I then noticed occasional differences between the Full Daily Schedule and the Weekly Schedule, and discovered that of those two, that the Weekly Schedule would be the more reliably accurate of the two, and include any shorts missing in the Full Schedule.

This really made no logical sense at all to me, so I posted about it on these boards, and received a variety of board member replies. I then made an early effort to contact TCM via their "Contact Us" link,

http://www.tcm.com/contact-tcm.html

for some solid answers. However, I eventually (and sadly) discovered that the TCM Support Center responds to no one regarding any problems or issues with anything TCM on these boards. :angry:

So from that time forward, I began to rely more upon the Weekly Schedule for more complete and up-to-date accuracy

 

Later, when the WATCH TCM app came out, I also began using their Schedule and found that it was also up-to-date, and very accurate, and also included all of the short subjects.

So for planned viewing and/or recording times, I rely on either the Weekly or WATCH TCM schedules.

 

I should mention that regarding the ability to even view the WATCH TCM schedule, may vary with the the type and version of Web browser being used. I use three different browsers, Internet Explorer ver 9, Google Chrome ver 4, and Mozilla Firefox ver 4, but of these, I've found the last to be least problematic. ;)

 

I should also mention that 3rd party schedules such as Zap2it

http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCGrid.do?aid=tvschedule

are also pretty good, and accurate out to about two weeks, but only include the primary features.

 

Just prior to making this post, I decided to compare those three browsers mentioned above regarding current (as of this moment) functionality with TCM.

Aside from the WATCH TCM schedule, they all performed fairly equitably, though I did notice occasional slight differences in the address link/s. (See Below)

 

TCM Daily Full Schedule

Mozilla Firefox v4

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/index.html?

Google Chrome v4

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/?ecid=subnavfulltcmschedule

IE v9

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/?ecid=subnavfulltcmschedule

 

TCM Weekly Schedule

Mozilla Firefox v4

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/weekly.html?tz=est&sdate=2016-03-21

Google Chrome v4

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/weekly.html?tz=est&sdate=2016-03-21

IE v9

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/weekly.html?tz=est&sdate=2016-03-21

 

TCM Monthly Schedule (current month)

Mozilla Firefox v4

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/monthly.html?ecid=subnavmonthschedule

Google Chrome v4

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/monthly.html?ecid=subnavmonthschedule

IE v9

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/monthly.html?ecid=subnavmonthschedule

 

TCM Monthly Schedule (extended month/s)

Mozilla Firefox v4

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/monthly.html?tz=EST&sdate=2016-06-01

Google Chrome v4

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/monthly.html?tz=EST&sdate=2016-06-01

IE v9

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/monthly.html?tz=EST&sdate=2016-06-01

 

WATCH TCM Schedule

Mozilla Firefox v4

http://www.tcm.com/watchtcm/schedule/east/2016-3-20/

Google Chrome v4

http://www.tcm.com/watchtcm/schedule/?ecid=subnavschedule

IE v9

http://www.tcm.com/watchtcm/schedule/?ecid=subnavschedule

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It seems like the short programs aren't all being listed in the current December monthly schedule, nor the daily one. :(


As an example, the FitzPatrick Visiting Virginia Travel Talks short was aired after It Happened on 5th Avenue today, but wasn't shown on the schedule pages, or even on FitzPatrick's filmography page (which I have bookmarked to try and catch the ones I've yet to see). I've noted several other shorts airing without mention in the schedules since the beginning of the month. Despite that, a few - such as tonight's airing of A Visit to Santa - are listed.

I hope this is temporary...

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Shorts don't often appear on the Monthly schedule until the week approaches.  So you probably wouldn't see it even on the current Monthly schedule.

Typically if movie-length features don't air, they remove them from the Monthly schedule prior to airing.  I haven't found any cases where this isn't true (but for my project I only permanantly store schedules for months that have already aired, so that wouldn't be much use in your case). 

Shorts get added during the current month.  By the end of the month, a Monthly schedule can have around 500 entries, whereas future Monthly schedules can have 350-425-ish entries.  This is eventually made up by late-entry shorts into the Monthly schedule.

Shorts airing without mention seems to be pretty normal, as they use them for filler, and they seem to not finalize them too far ahead of time.

I don't pay any attention to the Daily schedule.  I have observed it to be flawed, with regards to late-breaking changes.

I endorse the Weekly schedule for late-breaking changesI also endorse (and use) the Monthly schedule for my project.  The Weekly schedule is updated first, and the Monthly schedule updates follow shortly afterwards.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 hours ago, MovieCollectorOH said:

Shorts don't often appear on the Monthly schedule until the week approaches.  So you probably wouldn't see it even on the current Monthly schedule.

Typically if movie-length features don't air, they remove them from the Monthly schedule prior to airing.  I haven't found any cases where this isn't true (but for my project I only permanantly store schedules for months that have already aired, so that wouldn't be much use in your case). 

Shorts get added during the current month.  By the end of the month, a Monthly schedule can have around 500 entries, whereas future Monthly schedules can have 350-425-ish entries.  This is eventually made up by late-entry shorts into the Monthly schedule.

Shorts airing without mention seems to be pretty normal, as they use them for filler, and they seem to not finalize them too far ahead of time.

I don't pay any attention to the Daily schedule.  I have observed it to be flawed, with regards to late-breaking changes.

I endorse the Weekly schedule for late-breaking changesI also endorse (and use) the Monthly schedule for my project.  The Weekly schedule is updated first, and the Monthly schedule updates follow shortly afterwards.

I typically use both the daily & monthly schedules, refreshing the pages daily to watch for interesting shorts. The usual behavior I've seen is that the Monthly will update a day or so in advance, but sometimes only on the actual day, whilst the daily is often never updated at all. Last month was unusual insomuch as the daily did get to show many of the shorts.

However, this month both listings have so far failed to list all, but a handful of shorts. The weekly seemed no different when I quickly browsed it earlier.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
54 minutes ago, limey said:

I typically use both the daily & monthly schedules, refreshing the pages daily to watch for interesting shorts. The usual behavior I've seen is that the Monthly will update a day or so in advance, but sometimes only on the actual day, whilst the daily is often never updated at all. Last month was unusual insomuch as the daily did get to show many of the shorts.

However, this month both listings have so far failed to list all, but a handful of shorts. The weekly seemed no different when I quickly browsed it earlier.

Sounds to be quite different from the way they handle the feature films.  It is interesting how the results are so varied between the different schedule views.  I'd think they would all just be different views of the same data.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, MovieCollectorOH said:

Sounds to be quite different from the way they handle the feature films.  It is interesting how the results are so varied between the different schedule views.  I'd think they would all just be different views of the same data.

I think they all likely originate from the same data, but only the monthly appears to be updated (possibly manually) regularly to reflect scheduling updates. Although the shorts may be selected late to fit an appropriate slot, it's not uncommon for some to be scheduled months in advance, going by what I've observed with FitzPatrick's filmography page (although this hasn't been updated this month, either).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, limey said:

I think they all likely originate from the same data, but only the monthly appears to be updated (possibly manually) regularly to reflect scheduling updates. Although the shorts may be selected late to fit an appropriate slot, it's not uncommon for some to be scheduled months in advance, going by what I've observed with FitzPatrick's filmography page (although this hasn't been updated this month, either).

Maybe this has something to do with the late (early) schedule for Feb 2018.

My first thought was that they have three different datasets, generated from one data source.  Probably copied over by a cron script that gets triggered whenever changes are made on the data source.  I have literally watched the Monthly get updated about an hour after the Weekly was correctly updated to reflect changes.  The Daily, not so much.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, MovieCollectorOH said:

Maybe this has something to do with the late (early) schedule for Feb 2018.

That crossed my mind also - though I'm not sure why that would affect updates to the December listings for shorts, unless the small furry creature usually responsible for such things has been drafted into the Oscars effort.

16 minutes ago, MovieCollectorOH said:

My first thought was that they have three different datasets, generated from one data source.  Probably copied over by a cron script.  I have literally watched the Monthly get updated about an hour after the Weekly was correctly updated to reflect changes.  The Daily, not so much.

It's kind of odd that everything isn't apparently generated from that one data source. Update that & have some scripts update the others. There must be some technical reason for not doing so, I guess.

Another oddity I've noticed from the monthly - sometimes it will update the listing for certain films after broadcast, with 'TBA :(' that links back to a non-existing page - seems to be done for 1-shot movies that only get shown once & never make it into the TCMDB longer than for that broadcast.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, limey said:

That crossed my mind also - though I'm not sure why that would affect updates to the December listings for shorts, unless the small furry creature usually responsible for such things has been drafted into the Oscars effort.

It's kind of odd that everything isn't apparently generated from that one data source. Update that & have some scripts update the others. There must be some technical reason for not doing so, I guess.

Another oddity I've noticed from the monthly - sometimes it will update the listing for certain films with 'TBA :(' that links back to a non-existing page - seems to be done for 1-shot movies that only get shown once & never make it into the TCMDB longer than for that broadcast.

Unless it can be demonstrated to be a useful feature in the system, it is probably a shortcoming or glitch.

TBA wouldn't link to anything, as there are no correlating entries in the TCM/AFI database.

P.S. On the Monthly schedule, have you actually ever seen an entry disappear and become a "TBA"?  (I haven't)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, limey said:

That crossed my mind also - though I'm not sure why that would affect updates to the December listings for shorts, unless the small furry creature usually responsible for such things has been drafted into the Oscars effort.

It's kind of odd that everything isn't apparently generated from that one data source. Update that & have some scripts update the others. There must be some technical reason for not doing so, I guess.

Another oddity I've noticed from the monthly - sometimes it will update the listing for certain films with 'TBA :(' that links back to a non-existing page - seems to be done for 1-shot movies that only get shown once & never make it into the TCMDB longer than for that broadcast.

The Daily might actually get skipped by the cron script for late-breaking changes (if in fact cron scripts are how they approach this), or it might not be configured correctly for that one scenario.  That is how it appears to me, anyhow. 

When there is a late-breaking change, the Daily schedule often flutters around some and then settles in an incorrect state.  This is based on my own observations.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, MovieCollectorOH said:

The Daily might actually get skipped by the cron script for late-breaking changes, it might not be configured correctly for that one thing.

Possibly, but I can't think of a good technical reason for that - it's formatted in same way as the weeklies are & you'd think that any underlying data structures would be the same, only for 1/7th of the data. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
34 minutes ago, limey said:

Possibly, but I can't think of a good technical reason for that - it's formatted in same way as the weeklies are & you'd think that any underlying data structures would be the same, only for 1/7th of the data. 

The instructions to copy 1/7 of that data (a day's worth) is enough reason to have a different block of code.  I have watched it "update" during a handful of different late-breaking changes and it is about the most unstable thing I have ever seen.  The bling on the surface may look similar, but the Daily is nothing at all like the Weekly in its behavior or inaccuracy.  [You have seen how my reports look in comparison, right?  All content and no bling.  All I do is focus on the content.  Life is short. :lol:]

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

New Members:

Register Here

Learn more about the new message boards:

FAQ

Having problems?

Contact Us