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Free college and other stuff is great and gets plenty of votes from those who benefit from the free stuff...but someone has to "pay" for all this free stuff and most of us taxpayers will have to pony up the money.   Regarding his plan for "free college" for everyone....is that retroactive to include those of us that worked and paid for their educations?

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What would you do without your fire department, medicare and social security?  You don't have to be an extremist to like some socialist schemes.  You sound like a brainwashed McCarthyite.

I got nothing against sanders being a socialist other than the fact it has failed everywhere it has been tried but what is truly sad is the only 'democrat' challenging HRC is a socialist.

 

so given a choice between outright theft and maintaining the status quo hillary knows the most people will choose the latter.

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This is my response to several of your remarks.  Bernie's brand of American socialism falls way to the right of what we already have in Canada and lots of European countries and I would not categorize that as failures.  To believe so is to be looking at the world with right wing blinders on.

As for free college, they are only proposing that the tuition be free.  There are still plenty of other costs. And though I could selfishly say why should I care, I am beyond college age, the answer is that tens of thousands of your youth are being saddled with crushing debt before life even begins for them.  This system is set up by the rich.

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I don't agree with the free college...sorry.   Before Bernie, all the young folks paid for their own college education by working (or their parents paid)...and yes, there is huge loans and debts incurred...but to give college tuition for free (or parts of it) is not fair to those who ultimately have to pay through their taxes.  If a person has no children (or grown children)...why should they have to pay for other people's children's education with higher taxes?  What will happen is we'll all pay for all these kids to go to college, many of whom will party for most of their education and have a darn good time on our money.

(especially by kids who really don't want to go to college and aren't serious about it...but they'll go there if it's "free").   Not in favor of Bernie Sanders and all his "free" ideas.

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I don't agree with the free college...sorry.   Before Bernie, all the young folks paid for their own college education by working (or their parents paid)...and yes, there is huge loans and debts incurred...but to give college tuition for free (or parts of it) is not fair to those who ultimately have to pay through their taxes.  If a person has no children (or grown children)...why should they have to pay for other people's children's education with higher taxes?  What will happen is we'll all pay for all these kids to go to college, many of whom will party for most of their education and have a darn good time on our money.

(especially by kids who really don't want to go to college and aren't serious about it...but they'll go there if it's "free").   Not in favor of Bernie Sanders and all his "free" ideas.

 

You realize you already pay for grades k-12, right? I have no children, and yet I've paid my taxes, and paid for countless kids to go to school. Your argument sounds like one of those "well, back in MY day" type rants that everyone loves to hear. Before you came along, your predecessors worked 12 hour days 6 days a week from age 6 onward, and before then they ate garbage to live, and before that they murdered each other, and even ate each other if times were lean. The point being, you hopefully make the world a better place when you leave than when you entered it. It's called progress. And it used to be what we were striving for in this country. 

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This is my response to several of your remarks.  Bernie's brand of American socialism falls way to the right of what we already have in Canada and lots of European countries and I would not categorize that as failures.  To believe so is to be looking at the world with right wing blinders on.

As for free college, they are only proposing that the tuition be free.  There are still plenty of other costs. And though I could selfishly say why should I care, I am beyond college age, the answer is that tens of thousands of your youth are being saddled with crushing debt before life even begins for them.  This system is set up by the rich.

 

The system as it relates to loans was supported by the college industry as a way to rip off the consumer  (mostly parents).    The college industry also helped create the self-fulfilling prophecy that if one doesn't have a college degree one can't get a good job.    So I'm not in favor of 'free' college for all.   Instead I support very low interest loans (say a percent < inflation) for vocational education programs.    e.g. one is a lot more valuable to the computer \ software industry with a Microsoft Engineering 'Degree' (certification) then a degree in English Literature.  

 

Government paid for college would just allow the college industry to continue to operate in an inefficient and costly manner.  

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Government paid for college would just allow the college industry to continue to operate in an inefficient and costly manner.  

 This I agree with this, much the same way the ACA has propped up the private medical insurance industry. I like the idea of expanded vocational training in the industries where we are lacking skilled workers.

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Socialism is good until you run out of other people's money.

 

You're pretty original, ay. We've only seen that sign in these forums about 25 times now.

 

And it's so deep, too - a real thought-piece that is.

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I got nothing against sanders being a socialist other than the fact it has failed everywhere it has been tried but what is truly sad is the only 'democrat' challenging HRC is a socialist.

 

Jeesh, get an education.

 

There are plenty of democratic-socialist countries and they're all far healthier and happier than yours.

 

You people are ridiculously ignorant about the world.

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thank you.  I didn't read back on the entire thread....so sorry if it was said before...but it's so true!

 

How would you know what's true? You're clearly lacking in any meaningful political knowledge.

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Many have been brainwashed to equate socialism with communism.  I suspect that is what is behind the comments that "it has been proven that it doesn't work."

Having grown up in a much more liberal society I see Bernie's 'socialist offering' as a very timid first step in a very conservative country that has been indoctrinated to preserve the world order for the top one per cent.

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There's evidently a silver lining to Hillary's defeat in Wisconsin. She didn't win the state in 2008 either -- Obama did. But this time, Hillary increased her share of the vote from 41% to 43%. Sanders won fewer votes yesterday than Obama did in 2008. Clinton increased her share of the Milwaukee County vote from 38% in 2008 to 52% yesterday. She will get a decent share of delegates. 

 

Donald Trump is holding a big rally on Long Island right now. He's talking about how, driving to LI from Manhattan, he passed through Queens. He's waxing nostalgic about growing up in Queens. Bernie will be holding a rally in Washington Square Park next week, a small park that's filled with NYU students at the slowest of times. Bernie will wax nostalgic about growing up in Brooklyn. As William Demerest says in The Lady Eve, "It's the same dame."

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Sanders Wins Another One.

 

Wyoming goes for Bernie - last I looked he was up by 12 points with 75% of the voting in. Chalk up yet one more for the good guy.

 

I believe that brings the Primaries count to 17 for him, 17 for the queen (although some see it more as 17-15-2 for him).

 

Next up - a big one: New York. Something like 245 delegates for the winning.

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Does Bernie only get 2 delegates for State of Wyoming?   I think Bernie is gonna get the popular vote, but Hillary will probably get the most delegates and win the nomination.   Why can't the popular vote count as Bernie would beat Hillary.   Why can't they just have an election on 1 day and all the States vote and the winner, by popular vote, is the nominee for their party for Presidential election.  I don't understand this delegate process and caucuses.....the will of the people should be the only determining factor

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We're poor already.  Just surviving from one recession to the next and getting more and more in debt.  Your top 1% trickle down system doesn't work, Jake.

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I was also thinking of works of art created through ruling patronage, symphonies written by court composers who worked for the state, etc. More recently you have things like the U.S. Interstate system which was a major breakthrough for both industry and agriculture, all of space exploration was done by the government, so there's your science.

 

And that's just off the top of my head. So I guess Friedman forgot about those.

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