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Those Innocent, Bygone Days!

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5 minutes ago, rayban said:

Van Johnson, Esther Williams and John Bromfield - 

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There's no question who's got eyes for whom. Sorry, Esther.

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1 hour ago, jaragon said:

Up close and personal with swim suit models...

 

Hilarious. I wonder whose living room it was filmed in, and did it get raided after? The guy fingering the material at the bottom of a model's shirt (which puts his hand in the general vicinity of the crotch) is priceless. Obviously a man of distinction.

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The swimsuit with the largely exposed derriere and the well-covered crotch should be a collector's item.

Obviously the designer was more interested in the delights of the derriere.

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20 minutes ago, DougieB said:

Hilarious. I wonder whose living room it was filmed in, and did it get raided after? The guy fingering the material at the bottom of a model's shirt (which puts his hand in the general vicinity of the crotch) is priceless. Obviously a man of distinction.

Yeah he seemed interested in something besides the material. The swimsuits do look a bit outrageous for the time.  The intimacy of the space makes it feel like a secret meeting of the male body appreciation society

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Believe it or not, a lot of boys didn't even wear swimwear (even in high school and college sports) back in those golden olden daze.

 

On to another subject. Any thoughts of TCM adding this one to their documentary line-up after it runs its course in theaters? One thing that tickles me is all of the "public domain" footage borrowed for movie documentaries from all over the place. At the point where we hear the line of "a network of folks waiting for somebody like Scotty to come along", there is a scene that eerily resembles a vintage 1910-12 Vitagraph film with somebody looking suspiciously like comedian John Bunny fixing his tie. If this film clip is as old as I think it is, those gentlemen needed to wait an awful long, long time for Scotty, since he didn't get started until after the second big war.

 

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9 hours ago, jaragon said:

Up close and personal with swim suit models...

 

Some of the models look like trade who were just picked up at the men's room  or was there an English version of Scotty Bowers?

 

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6 hours ago, Jlewis said:

Believe it or not, a lot of boys didn't even wear swimwear (even in high school and college sports) back in those golden olden daze.

 

On to another subject. Any thoughts of TCM adding this one to their documentary line-up after it runs its course in theaters? One thing that tickles me is all of the "public domain" footage borrowed for movie documentaries from all over the place. At the point where we hear the line of "a network of folks waiting for somebody like Scotty to come along", there is a scene that eerily resembles a vintage 1910-12 Vitagraph film with somebody looking suspiciously like comedian John Bunny fixing his tie. If this film clip is as old as I think it is, those gentlemen needed to wait an awful long, long time for Scotty, since he didn't get started until after the second big war.

 

I just saw it and loved it- Mr Bowers is quite a charmer and in great shape for a 90 year old - I guess all that sex helped. He reminded me of Steve McQueen. The documentary is more than just about his sexual trade in which he made a lot of people happy. Yes this is perfect for TCM but it would have to be run very late at night or it 's going to give some people heart attacks

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2 hours ago, jaragon said:

I just saw it and loved it- Mr Bowers is quite a charmer and in great shape for a 90 year old - I guess all that sex helped. He reminded me of Steve McQueen. The documentary is more than just about his sexual trade in which he made a lot of people happy. Yes this is perfect for TCM but it would have to be run very late at night or it 's going to give some people heart attacks

As long as Burt Lancaster isn't mentioned, the leaves will remain on the trees. That discussion involved a little more excitement than this messageboard is used to.

I heard he waited until enough of the stars passed away before spilling the truth (if it is the truth). A couple decades from now, nobody will care whom these stars "bonded" with.

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21 hours ago, Jlewis said:

Believe it or not, a lot of boys didn't even wear swimwear (even in high school and college sports) back in those golden olden daze.

 

On to another subject. Any thoughts of TCM adding this one to their documentary line-up after it runs its course in theaters? One thing that tickles me is all of the "public domain" footage borrowed for movie documentaries from all over the place. At the point where we hear the line of "a network of folks waiting for somebody like Scotty to come along", there is a scene that eerily resembles a vintage 1910-12 Vitagraph film with somebody looking suspiciously like comedian John Bunny fixing his tie. If this film clip is as old as I think it is, those gentlemen needed to wait an awful long, long time for Scotty, since he didn't get started until after the second big war.

 

TCM doesn't seem to have shown interest in Tab Hunter Confidential , which even features comments by their own Robert Osborne. (Does anyone know whether Robert was part of the Scotty doc? He contributed a blurb to the book.) And the Hunter doc was pretty tame compared to what Scotty was up to. I'm willing to bet TCM would never touch it because of all the anticipated backlash from fans of the stars mentioned as benefitting from Scotty's "full service". So, probably Netflix or HBO.

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1 hour ago, DougieB said:

TCM doesn't seem to have shown interest in Tab Hunter Confidential , which even features comments by their own Robert Osborne. (Does anyone know whether Robert was part of the Scotty doc? He contributed a blurb to the book.) And the Hunter doc was pretty tame compared to what Scotty was up to. I'm willing to bet TCM would never touch it because of all the anticipated backlash from fans of the stars mentioned as benefitting from Scotty's "full service". So, probably Netflix or HBO.

Mr Osborne does not make appear in the documentary- but I would not be surprised if he was aware of Mr Bower's services.  "Tab Hunter Confidential"  might be rated PG 13 but the Bowers film would get an R- not only for Scotty's salty language but from all the nude photos and film clips which the director use to enhance the narrative.  I wonder if there is any film of Cukor's pool ****?  Has there been a good fictional movie about gay life in studio era Hollywood? I remember a play called "Hyde in Hollywood" about a Welles like director who was gay

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The pool parties at George Cukor's house make quite an appearance in the James Dean bio, "Tomorrow Never Comes", which is juicily written by Darwin Porter and Danforth Prince.

James Dean's early gay days in Hollywood brought him to the "parties". 

I would love to have seen "the act" that he performed with Roddy McDowall.

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On 8/19/2018 at 5:56 PM, rayban said:

The pool parties at George Cukor's house make quite an appearance in the James Dean bio, "Tomorrow Never Comes", which is juicily written by Darwin Porter and Danforth Prince.

James Dean's early gay days in Hollywood brought him to the "parties". 

I would love to have seen "the act" that he performed with Roddy McDowall.

Ok you are really making me want to read this😉

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😲

I am constantly putting it down and saying to myself, "What did I just read?"

That James Dean used a well-placed exec, Rogers Brackett, to get to the top?

That he slept with William Inge to be considered for a part in an upcoming teleplay of his?

That he couldn't keep it in his pants and thus came to the attention of many interested men?

That he and Steve McQueen had quite a torrid love affair?

That he was so gone over Paul Newman that he wanted to run away with him and live off the land?

But, yes, it's all there - in juicy, juicy print! 😲

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4 hours ago, rayban said:

I am constantly putting it down and saying to myself, "What did I just read?"

That James Dean used a well-placed exec, Rogers Brackett, to get to the top?

That he slept with William Inge to be considered for a part in an upcoming teleplay of his?

So basically the book is saying that his talent as an actor was irrelevant and had nothing whatsoever to do with his success in motion pictures?

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2 hours ago, TopBilled said:

So basically the book is saying that his talent as an actor was irrelevant and had nothing whatsoever to do with his success in motion pictures?

It sounds like fan fiction but it might be fun to read

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18 minutes ago, jaragon said:

It sounds like fan fiction but it might be fun to read

I wonder how many books about James Dean have been published.

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25 minutes ago, TopBilled said:

I wonder how many books about James Dean have been published.

A quick search turned up at least forty titles on Dean...

 

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1 hour ago, jaragon said:

A quick search turned up at least forty titles on Dean...

 

This clip is very homoerotic

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16 hours ago, TopBilled said:

So basically the book is saying that his talent as an actor was irrelevant and had nothing whatsoever to do with his success in motion pictures?

No, but he did have the ability to use people.

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18 hours ago, TopBilled said:

I wonder how many books about James Dean have been published.

Far too many. No secrets left to tell. I recall an interview with Sal Mineo taken by the Griffith Observatory location in the 1970s in which he keeps discussing Jimmy's ghost visiting him. Sal was still obsessed with him (and talking to him constantly) after some seventeen years or so.

Of course, biographies of Jimmy published before Ellen's "Yup, I'm Gay" Time magazine spread (i.e. when it was finally no longer taboo if you were like Rock Hudson off screen) would only drop nebulous hints here and there. Instead there was so much focus put on his short-lived, but certainly genuine, love affair with actress Pier Angeli. Since the 1990s, however, it is a foregone conclusion that "yup, Jimmy was bi".

Of course, I think the spectrum has gone too far in the other direction in recent years, suggesting he was more into guys than gals which isn't accurate either. Intriguingly, he did a lot of pornographic drawings involving male body parts but it seems like he was more obsessed with his own, even taking pictures of himself naked. Had he lived into the post-MPAA era, there is little doubt he would have gone full monty on screen simply because he loved being naked.

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21 minutes ago, Jlewis said:

Far too many. No secrets left to tell. I recall an interview with Sal Mineo taken by the Griffith Observatory location in the 1970s in which he keeps discussing Jimmy's ghost visiting him. Sal was still obsessed with him (and talking to him constantly) after some seventeen years or so.

Of course, biographies of Jimmy published before Ellen's "Yup, I'm Gay" Time magazine spread (i.e. when it was finally no longer taboo if you were like Rock Hudson off screen) would only drop nebulous hints here and there. Instead there was so much focus put on his short-lived, but certainly genuine, love affair with actress Pier Angeli. Since the 1990s, however, it is a foregone conclusion that "yup, Jimmy was bi".

Of course, I think the spectrum has gone too far in the other direction in recent years, suggesting he was more into guys than gals which isn't accurate either. Intriguingly, he did a lot of pornographic drawings involving male body parts but it seems like he was more obsessed with his own, even taking pictures of himself naked. Had he lived into the post-MPAA era, there is little doubt he would have gone full monty on screen simply because he loved being naked.

I hate to say it, because I certainly love him in EAST OF EDEN, but I feel he's overrated and has become more overrated with time. He was actually not that attractive in a lot of the photos we see of him, not compared to how toned and buff guys are today. Also he lived such a short life that he was somewhat undeveloped and unformed, kind of immature in many respects. So to ascribe this godlike iconic status on him is a bit silly in my opinion. At the end of the day he's just an actor who made a mark and died young. That's the real story.

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I especially agreed that he was over rated when I first watched his movies on TV. Worst performance, in my opinion, is Giant in which he mumbles even more than Marlon Brando. Yet I have appreciated his talent more as time progressed and re-watched his primary trio multiple times. I think his acting in East Of Eden is excellent up until the last act when the script requires him be maudlin in his daddy reconciliation and Julie Harris pretty much has to take over. This is a disappointing aspect to 1950s American cinema always playing safe and requiring a happy resolution before "The End". 

He was very young when he died, so all we can do is speculate how well he would have progressed. Heath Ledger is a good comparison to him. He may well be as equally over rated had he not challenged himself a bit more than his contemporaries with Brokeback Mountain and The Dark Knight.

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