wordmaster

Greta Garbo < Ninotchka > Melvyn Douglas Melvyn Douglas < The Seduction of Joe Tynan > Meryl Streep That was a bit quicker than I first thought.

Hello, and welcome from one of the Canadians on this board. I think you'll find lots of outlets for your list-making. We're cool like that. I am also a noir enthusiast. As was said before, browse and enjoy...

My roundabout solution: Die Bruder Karamazoff < Emil Jannings > Der Blaue Engel Der Blaue Engel < Marlene Dietrich > Just a Gigolo Just a Gigolo < David Bowie > Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me < Harry Dean Stanton > Renaldo and Clara Renaldo and Clara < Joan Baez > Woodstock

Curses! That's what I get for only covering half my tracks... Your turn, and well-deserved...

The author of this response is also a noir lover but if you are "ultra-left", ken, I might consider myself simply "left". I'd be interested in hearing, if you are so inclined, what would make you "ultra"...maybe I'm "ultra" and don't even know it... [i've never been "ultra-" anything before...this could be my big chance at "ultra-dom"!] In any case, ken, this is a good observation - I've always been drawn to noir because of the social/non-elitist context in the genre. It would be interesting to hear a viewpoint from another perspective. Message was edited by: wordmaster

Agreed. My tolerance for violence is fairly high - the '64 version is violent, but not skin-crawlingly so, for me.

A tip of the cap to Mongo! [i'll have to remember "Won Ton Ton,..." - a good film for this game] Go, Mongo, go...

Dennis Morgan to Morgan Freeman, anyone?

No television; no "scenes deleted"; most important, no Gene Barry. War of the Worlds [1953] to War of the Worlds [2005]

Giulietta Masina < Il Bidone > Broderick Crawford Broderick Crawford < The Oscar > Milton Berle Milton Berle < It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World > Jack Benny

As the children I care for at work would say: "EEZY, PEEZY, LEMON SQUEEZY!" Detective Story < Kirk Douglas > Spartacus Spartacus < Laurence Olivier > Sleuth

[rises slowly from his resting place, wiping his sweat-drenched brow, raspily whispering] ........the horror, the horror................ Message was edited by: wordmaster

Trump away, Jack. For me, cameos count. Take your turn, Jack. I'm OK to wait... or one of us can go to Mornington Crescent to leave a puzzle there - we tied, I think, with our solutions to "Mabel and Fatty's Wash Day" to "Pearl Harbor". Let me know if you have a preference. [You came up with your solution first at the Crescent, so actually you are the official winner.] Message was edited by: wordmaster

For me, this is a case of apples and oranges. The '46 film is a classic, no doubt. The '64 "re-think" of The Killers is a movie of a different sort, with different appeal. I don't think the later film stinks - Lee Marvin and Clu Gulager are a very interesting pair of hitmen, with an appealing chemistry - but it is not quite in the same league as the '46 film. Packaging them together on DVD is a good marketing ploy, but may deceive some movie enthusiasts looking for films of a similar genre. Nightmare Alley is also a classic, and a sorely overlooked one. Message was edited by: wordmaster

Here I go: Vic Morrow < King Creole > Paul Stewart Paul Stewart < Citizen Kane > Ray Collins Ray Collins < Athena > Vic Damone That should do the trick for the two guys named "Vic".

Curmudgeons aren't curmudgeons all the time, just when they have to be. No shrink necessary for you, that's for sure. They have other fish to fry.

ZOUNDS! That is brilliant...

As Spock might say, "Fascinating..." It makes me think of silent films and how we all should appreciate them more...myself included. It also confirms my belief in the power/influence of music on the human mind [at least, on my mind]. I am not one to ask a lot of questions about how and why things are - I used to have a great deal of curmudgeonliness but now am just too weary of the world [keep the "curmudgeon" flag flying high, stoneyburke and friends!]. This example of strange synchronicity is a mystery to enjoy. At least, I did, for a brief time. Thanks, benwhowell.

I think we are all in agreement here, then. No "scenes deleted"; if you want restrictions, state them clearly. Let the games begin.

I agree, MrWriteLA. I was just wondering aloud. I declare that we should be able to use them. Our game, our rules...right?

No worries, Jack - anything to promote the spirit of friendly competition... I wonder if we are allowed to use actors' roles that are marked as "uncredited"...probably not...I have avoided using them. I tried the "Fatty Arbuckle" route and got to Anthony Quinn [also a good bridge] but stalled there... Message was edited by: wordmaster

Mine is somewhat similar: Mabel and Fatty's Wash Day < Mabel Normand > Should Men Walk Home? Should Men Walk Home? < Eugene Pallette > In Old Sacramento In Old Sacramento < Robert Blake > Electra Glide in Blue Electra Glide in Blue < Elisha Cook Jr. > The Champ The Champ < Jon Voight > Pearl Harbor

Curses! [Almost] foiled again! I'll have to crank up the old 'lateral thinking machine' again...

> Overall, I prefer glamor (Lizabeth Scott) within > gritty (film noir). I do too [although Lauren Bacall came to my mind...]. It keeps life balanced.

Thanks, everyone, for your contributions to the discussion here. I will have to keep my eyes open for Hell's Heroes and even the earlier silent versions of the story. Thank you, moira, for giving my viewing of the film some context. This gives me a good excuse [as if I really needed one] to watch The Big House again, to see Chester in another role. I also enjoyed the Lewis Stone character and his philosophical perspective on life and death. What I like about him is that we are not really sure why an educated man turns to a life of crime but, in the end, it is his wisdom that determines his fate [i.e. he knows that he is at the end and does his best for his fellow man before the end comes]. There is something admirable about that. I rarely have to find an excuse to see a film with Walter Brennan in it - I enjoyed how he changed his name and backstory with every new person he met in town. This version of the film has entered my list of memorable films.