Tikisoo
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>Fred said: I believe things like this become noticeable only to people who watch films over and over again.
I wholly agree with that assessment.
But I also have become disenchanted with Hitchcock and for the most part find his films overrated. While there are a few gems in his crown, the majority of his films fail overall...while Billy Wilder or Fritz Lang's work is consistently more satisfying for the viewer.
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I'm on the same page as the original poster- dislike outright swearing and sex scenes both. Really, the vast majority of classic films through the decades should confirm it's simply not necessary while it automatically narrows your audience.
I can't tell you how many DVDs I won't show to my mother NOR my step daughter because of this. For example, even though my mother loves Steve Buschemi, she hated THE BIG LEBOWSKI because they all spoke like ghetto trash (she's right). Why not just tame the language down to "occasional" swearing where it may truly be needed? You'd certainly widen your acceptance.
Anyone remember CHASING AMY? I don't remember a thing about the story, all I remember is the principles couldn't utter a sentence without the f word. What intelligent, educated, mature adult speaks like that?
As for sex scenes, really? Just HOW does it further the story? We all know what it looks like, why waste valuable screen time on showing it?
It's one of the reasons I love Bollywood films-I actually describe them as being like MGM musicals of the 50's. You won't see kissing, merely embracing and it actually builds sexual tension throughout the story. And if there IS an occasional swear word, it's in English....does that tell you anything?
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>Part of the late Lawrence Tierney??? Sure, the part that when matched with John Dillinger's made two of a kind in a poker game
Add Milton Berle to THAT Hollywood legend. From every report I've heard, it was true!
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Thanks for bringing the article to us.....I enjoyed her point of view.
I see very little connection between movies and the Oscars.
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Well if it wasn't for that stupid book's claims about Marie Provost, we'd never have Nick Lowe's great song, "She was a winner, that became the doggie's dinner - She never meant that much to me, oh poor Marie"
The frozen Disney legend evolved into just his _head_ was kept frozen. A joke picked up by FUTURAMA where you'll often see "heads in jars" of famous people from our times.
What about the story that Barrymore's body was exhumed in CA and reburied back home in Philly? I know he's in Philly, but the cemetery is very difficult to get into, even by appointment. (no jokes) I've been trying over 5 years to pay my respects to Barrymore.
And there's a guy who claims to have "snuck in" to Marilyn Monroe's morgue and took photos of the body. Hard to confirm, even by viewing the photos.
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>I have been afraid to see every movie made from a great novel I have read and then was made into a movie. Most novels don't translate to the silver screen very well
Indeed.
But if you give it a long span of time in between "reading" and "viewing", you may not notice what's missing quite as much.
My big thing is "horse" movies. Everyone wants me to see movies about horses since I'm an equestrienne. Most of them are just silly and perpetuate the notion a horse is just like a 1000 lb dog. When done well, like THE BLACK STALLION, fantasy takes over, mostly due to the incredible photography.
I was so pleasantly surprised by NATIONAL VELVET, because it's really nothing about horses, the strength of the story centers around family & aspirations. I was also pleasantly surprised by THE HORSE WHISPERER, which I dreaded seeing. It "worked" because again, it was mostly about the people, and the horse roles were realistic. (although NO city-mom would trailer a horse alone across country-it's a job for a professional!)
I still haven't seen WAR HORSE although given the DVD over a year ago, just can't bring myself to it.
But in a true "fear" way, I was afraid to see THE EXORCIST for about 20 years. I figured it wouldn't have the same impact as an adult as it would have when I was a teen, so I gave it a try. I was not really scared in any sort of way because most of the horror had been parodied so often, it lost all impact. (thank goodness)
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(I just reported that spam post-hopefully will be deleted)
Wow TomJH, that certainly was a fantastic, detailed post. You must be a professional writer; not only a well written post, but the idea you would TYPE all that! Most posts are two-finger-typed "snippets" and may be a contributing factor for all the misunderstandings on this board.
I never knew anything about that aspect of Flynn's life (with Wiles) I misunderstood and thought you had meant some retirement "Actor's Home" and didn't think Flynn ever made it to retirement.
Thank you so much for going into such detail.
(hope that bookstore has a copy!)
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>Unfortunately, those horse tricks to which you referred were NOT employed during the making of Charge of the Light Brigade.
Of course....I think the "falling" techniques were in direct result of movies like COTLB.
I think so many people were outraged, the practice was discontinued and later replaced by the "command fall" in the 50's/60's. Although I will say my clutzy horse has tripped and fallen several times on her own without injury. (although *I* was launched into orbit!)
>Wiles was a Hollywood stuntman who lived with Flynn for a few years in the actor's home
Flynn lived in the "Actor's Home"? Really? Please elaborate.
>if you're shopping in movie stores that have used films, I can tell you that it's not that easy sometimes to find old films unless they're ones that are very popular
Guess I'm lucky. Our local CD/DVD store always has a ton of "classics" that just sit there because no one wants them. Titles like THE WOMEN and Alice Faye musicals can be had for $3, while "famous" ones like CASABLANCA are triple that. I'm planning a trip later in the week and will look them over with you in mind, although it sounds like you have everything already.
There is also a used bookstore that specializes in "Hollywood" nearby. I'm bringing him a load of books for store credit and will ask if he has any Flynn books for you.
Classic film is very popular here in upstate NY....long bitterly cold winters.
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>Show that stuff to NONE of them in a film and only a FEW will be stupid enough to think it up on their own and do it. But show it to MILLIONS of them in films, and HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS will try to do it.
Please someone make a blockbuster action movie where the coolest guy who gets all the girls has his pants up over his *ss!!
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>Oh look. Mike Mcgee is back.
Guess you can tell by zero writing style. I didn't get past the first sentence.
I don't have cable, but a good movie friend generously records a few "must sees" every month for me.
After viewing, I often pass these along to another starving artist friend without cable.
I try to keep up with discussions here and often prompts me to get the DVD from my library system. This often includes newer movies along with "classics".
Broadcast TV can be fun too-our PBS station has PD movies all day long and I've seen several early oddities that ran in "black" theaters and fun "blacksploitation" type films on the new BounceTV.
I'm glued to the tube Saturday nights for MeTV's "Svengoolie" who shows Universal Monster & Sci-Fi films.
I frequent several used DVD stores and often pick up interesting titles for $5, like CABINET OF DR CALIGARI. Even well known "classic" films aren't very popular and I can find them for a song.
But nothing compares to all the theaters in my area who show 35mm films. Just this week I saw LABRYNTH for the first (and only) time. (glad I saw it at a theater with an audience) Our annual "HorrorFestival comes around in April from 11am to 1am spanning titles from the 40's to 2008 or so.
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>One example of the movies influencing society is the practice of firing a handgun sideways
The Tiki family all target shoot for recreation (heck when we could buy bullets) and holding a gun "sideways" in a movie always breaks us up laughing.
We also delight seeing Cagney shoot in movies; he pumps his hand for dramatic emphasis, when in reality he'd never hit ANY thing he was aiming for that way.
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Lots to respond to....
>largely fictionalized account of James J. Corbett, a Gay '90s boxer
First I thought you meant "gay".
>Based on that review alone, I want to watch that movie, like right now.
Has TCM ever shown GJ? I don't recall it.
>Errol Flynn Signature Collection Vol. 2 is an must for any Flynn fan
I agree. I have zero buying budget right now, so thankfully the library has a decent Flynn collection. (& I have burning capabilities)
You also realize you can easily find these DVDs & box sets used, right? Classic movies are not popular with the general public and can be picked up for a song.
>Knowledge that many horses had to be destroyed as a result of the climax of this film is a painful reality.
No kidding, I'm a horse owner. I DO know, however, horses have been taught to fall on command - and some talented horses fall while moving forward! As someone who has taught a horse many "tricks", I seriously doubted this until I read stuntman Chuck Roberson's book where he explains the process. It's been confirmed by other stuntmen too.
You can clearly see the rider's rein & leg command in BLAZING SADDLES when a horse is "punched" and falls.
And how DO you pronounce "Forsyte"? Fore-sight?
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I think the 3 of us have a crush on Errol....he's an exceptional guy.
>My Wicked Wicked Ways has been in existence for 55 years, four years longer than the life it represents. Flynn would have been shocked but also proud as punch
Is there anything better than his distain writing about his wife? "Oh Fleeen" made me LOL every time. His fractured relationship with his parents is certainly believable considering the time period & place. It obviously had a negative impact on him, yet he smiles and sails on! Exaggerated? Maybe, but his point comes across nonetheless & we all connect to his story.
I have requested Gentleman Jim and Errol Flynn Adventures box set from the library based upon recommendations here. Glad there's more Errol out there to see!
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>speedracer said: as someone who graduated college with a Communication Studies degree and a minor in Writing
very apparent from your posts- complete sentences AND punctuation-oh my!
>If movies helped change the culture or if culture changed the movies
>The possibilities are endless.
I'd take the clothing examples given already in this thread (undershirts, leather jackets) and build upon that theme.
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>my personal movie fanatic quirk is to try and find out how tall people were/are
HA! Me too! I actually measure and calculate where their eyes would be if I were to meet them in person. (i'm 5'2")
I recently saw a show of classic Hollywood costumes and was AMAZED at how tiny some actresses were judging by their mannequins;
Rita Hayworth was about 5'1" size 3-5 junior while Marilyn Monroe & Elizabeth Taylor were like 5'3" and a size 7 junior. (we won't talk about Bogart's suit)
The most amazing "shortie" for me is Mae West who was barely 5 feet tall and surprisingly slender. (similar to Dolly Parton whom I have met in person)
Madame Tussaud's Museum is a great place to see just for this reason, as the statues are EXACT proportions of the subjects. I could easily kick Jodie Foster or Susan Sarandon's skinny *ss.
PS Love Harry Davenport, didn't know he came from a theatrical family! Thanks!
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I don't know the voice you are talking about....but it's got to be better than the annoying voice who started off TCM MOVIE NEWS with "*HI-EE,* this is the movie news for...."
Whoever wrote that should know you don't have to state "what it is" you're going to say, just SAY it!
(always reminded me of the fill in DJ who would say, "Now I'm going to read you a promo")
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Wow it's amazing when you see a charactor actor like this as a kid....you think he's an old guy. He was probably in his late 30's early 40's in PARTRIDGE FAMILY, much younger than I perceived.
He was a comedic talent who added to every production he was in. He pops up every once in awhile in TV repeats & movies....and he's always great.
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I am SO GLAD there's a thread to bring attention to WINGS OF DESIRE, one of my favorite movies.
I also really love CITY OF ANGELS, despite the flaws. Without spoiling it for those who haven't seen them, the main difference is the ending and I prefer COA ending better.
Although I actually burst out "WHERE'S YOUR HELMET?" in the theater- I could not believe a DR wouldn't wear a bike helmet while riding on the street. Big flaw there.
But I loved the shots of the angels standing gargoyle like in the library.
WINGS OF DESIRE is a slower pace and kind of revels in emotion, which I like better than a fast paced story. Also features favorite Nick Cave in a scene.
Emotional? I saw this with a friend at the Eastman House and he was a blubbering mess by the end of the movie.
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>I feel that had Errol Flynn been given a chance to take on a wider variety of roles in a multitude of genres, I think he would have left a very esteemed body of work
I guess that's my beef-he DID play a variety of roles in different genres but they fall flat -not Flynn- but the films themselves. Why do his "other genre" movies fail?
(just the fact we're still talking about him reinforces the assessment that HE is great) I don't mean to be contentious, it's just obviously you are the guys to ask....
Why was he so successful as a swashbuckler and not anything else?
I've never seen DIED WITH BOOTS ON or FORSYTE WOMAN, so there's still some Flynn to look forward to!
Take a look at this page for fantastic stills of Flynn:
http://www.doctormacro.com/Movie%20Star%20Pages/Flynn,%20Errol-Annex.htm
I've downloaded & printed the Captain Blood photo with the arches and the Robin Hood picture in the chair. They are high resolution and can be printed as 8x10s-gorgeous!
And I was lucky enough to have seen a Hollywood costume show last year including Flynn's costume from DON JUAN. You got a complete picture of his build & height seeing it on a mannequin-he must have been breathtaking in real life.
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Tom, very articulate-I love what you wrote.
On another thread, speedracer & I talked a bit about Flynn's attempts in other genres outside of anything with weapons. We all seem to love this guy and can't get enough of him.
Recently I saw THREE'S A CROWD and NEVER SAY GOODBYE and was so disappointed. I'm sorry to say I think Flynn just couldn't elevate poor material. A "bigger" actor like EG Robinson, John Barrymore or Bette Davis can often pull this off, but Flynn was what? too subtle?
Was it the director? The writing? I don't know. I certainly loved him as a pin-up artist in NSG, in modern clothes, a sophisticate - totally bought it. But that kid was just so awful, he couldn't overcome her influence on the picture.
Tom may remember the long running thread on this forum- several pages on Errol Flynn where many interesting points were made about his life, his career. I just re-read his autobiography last year and enjoyed it completely differently than when I read it at 18.
His appeal is just so enduring.
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To date, THE QUIET MAN the only John Ford/John Wayne movie I really like.
I was lucky enough to have seen it on 35mm on St Patrick's Day in a small neighborhood theater and just went on a whim. They served Guinness, the theater was packed and it was a beautiful print!
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Thanks for the recommendation TopBilled. I'm a huge Cantor fan and don't think I've ever seen that one.
I also don't think Cantor's humor is dated. We've shown PALMY DAYS before and the audience LOVED it!
Our audience consists of people of all ages, but I was definitely surprised Cantor's antics delighted the teens and twenty-somethings.
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>Swithin said: It's too hard to pick a NYC movie...
I already said that.
Most NYC movie locations are kind of obvious clich? like Rockefeller Center or Central Park.
There is a fantastic web page by a location scout that compares movie stills from ROSEMARY'S BABY to the same camera angle today. Interesting to see the changes....no more phone booths!
My favorite NYC filming location to visit is the millionaire's "castle" from THE FISHER KING.
Last year I posted on this forum movie stills from HOME BEFORE DARK with the same locations & angles today. It was filmed in Marblehead Mass (as was parts of the SIXTH SENSE) but I wasn't really thinking about states I've lived in other than where I am today.
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I suppose if you're interested... I've read in several sources actresses could be excused the first and sometimes second day of menstruation. A bigger actress could get three to four days off. And yes, it was written in the contract.
It has to do with skin changing and not taking the make-up the same, water retention and I'm sure attitude.
Some actresses had stipulations they could not be photographed after 4pm!
All that so they could constantly look their best.
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>Sepiatone said: People cuss. Today AND "back when"
Not really. Language often separated those from the "nice" side of town from those on the "other side of the tracks". I never heard a lady or gentleman a generation older than myself utter a swear word. And I'll limit "swear" to be defined by Carlin's (media's actually) 7 words you can't say on TV.
It was never acceptable for any "decent" person to use those words, only low lifes spoke that way.
>Fred said: This is just NOT NECESSARY and to me it lowers my interest in reading the comments, because when I see curse words in them, I think of a group of teenage street-corner hoodlums talking to each other
See? Decent, well educated, intelligent adults just don't speak like that. Swearing lowers others opinions of you, it's offensive. Of course, nowadays, people enjoy shocking others with how low they can be. (and reality shows definitely feed into that)
>speedracer said: I don't think it's right to basically come out and say that because you don't like something in a particular film, that it shouldn't be in any film.
No one's saying that. I'm saying using a plethora of bad language narrows the audience your film will appeal to, so why use so much? Don't you want EVERYone to see your movie?
ANGELS WITH DIRTY FACES can be enjoyed by my parents as well as my kids. Still pretty brutal and appalling without any blood or cussing. How'd they do that? Why can't anyone these days do that?
Does anyone in a public or professional situation talk like that? No, only low level people in society talk like that. So if your movie is about criminals, dialogue with lots of swearing might be appropriate.
And I DO think casual swearing by regular people in movies "normalizes" it for impressionable teens. Ever listen in a high school hallway? (I always wonder what kind of job they think they're going to get)
>Aurturo said: who counted the moans in Donna Summer's first hit record, the then controversial "LoveTo Love You Baby". He claimed that she had something like 100 **** during the course of the song
And then he said, "I'll have what she's having" ba-da-boom.
Since when does one moan equal one ****?