Tikisoo
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>sfpcc said about Kirstie Alley: As a Scientologist she felt that show glorified Psychiatry, which that group is strongly against.
Thanks-that explains a LOT!
We can all thank our lucky stars that minister's daughter Agnes Moorehead conceded to play pagan witch mother Endora:
She was known to carry a bible on set and "considered the whole witchcraft theme to be too far-fetched and was somewhat taken aback by the show's huge popularity" according to IMDB.
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I'm jealous....I've always wanted to see the Dorian Gray painting. I understand the "before" painting was given to Hurd Hatfield as a gift. It must be somewhere in England, pity not in public domain.
I loved a description of Davis's portrayal of Fannie in Mr Skeffington, and for some reason I think it was said by Robert Osborne
(paraphrasing) "Bette Davis was no breathtaking beauty, but she was such a powerful actress she made you believe she was beautiful"
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I'm with you Ray. Especially when I hear news media refer to the "Fed"....the Federal WHAT? Government? Reserve? Taxation? Why can't people say what they mean? What if US English was my second language?
I think many abbreviations have come about because of cost, as in the BBQ example stated earlier. Texting originally cost "by the charactor", hence "U" for "you". Now it's just laziness. And my fear is kids think "lite" is a correct spelling.
Kids not knowing cursive actually comes in handy when parents need to leave each other notes the kids can't read-it's almost like a secret code! But in old movies, I actually have to whisper read any cursive message on screen for the kids.
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I think of Dave in that room as sort of like an animal in a zoo. They tried to create a proper "habitat" for him to live out his natural life, which may seem like a relatively short time to the "creators".
I see the embryonic star child as a metaphor of space for the womb, the nurturing "soup" (ok who didn't do a lot of drugs back then?) since we're made of all the same elements found in the universe. I see the child as the next "starter plant" of mankind on another planet in the universe. Funny, I don't see any "God" in the creator force, but more like benevolent guardians of our species.
>joyrider said: In order to land people on the moon, you must first land on the moon. Nasa never even did an unmanned moon landing never mind 4 or 5 manned landings.
Actually, TPTB realized to land a man on the moon by the '69 deadline, there could be no "tests", they called it an "All-Up" decision.
The only test run they did was send a capsule to the moon for an orbit and then break free from that orbit, travel back into earth's orbit, then descend. I think those astronauts were unbelievably brave.
Then, they sent the LEM to land directly on the moon while the capsule stayed in orbit. These guys were incredibly brave to do this without precedence, but then again, SOMEBODY has to be the first to do it.
We forget how amazing it was for Shepherd to go into earth orbit-they had NO IDEA what may happen.
Sometimes I think the reason why we're no longer exploring space is because we've become such a litigious society. Everything costs so much it has to be subcontracted and then when something goes wrong, there is a huge blame game.
And when people would say the Kennedy assassination was "the day the world changed" I never understood what they meant. I fully understand it now. The world/government/trust/accountability has gone completely out of control.
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Oh Arturo, I realized my mistake mixing Lana & Betty partway through yesterday. I thought I would be SLAMMED, thanks for your kind & gentle correction.
See what happens when you get old?
I agree with your assessment, though, Betty was more the girl-next-door & Lana was the glamourpuss. Neither have ever appealed to me, which is probably why I mixed them up.
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>helenbaby said: Bottom line is that it's a money making business on both ends, but it seems to destroy the whole excitement & spontainity of getting signatures.
And I think this is one of the reasons for the "autograph assembly line". These people know many are gathering autographs to sell, so they figure they might as well have a piece of their own pie.
I actually knew of someone within my group of friends who wrote people requesting their autograph....just to sell it on ebay! I told him that was despicable.
I also have friends who attend every comic or horror "convention" to stand in line for their autographs. Wow, real fun.
This is why all my autographs are signed "To Soo" when I met that person....I want them to know it's not 'to sell', but for myself to remember their performance.
Still, I lose interest having "things", I much prefer the memory, the performance. You don't get that from waiting in line with 500 other schlubs.
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>RMeingast said: Say what you will about his films, but he uses lots of old film references in his movies. You could spend a lot of time trying to figure out from what old films he borrowed stuff from.
Oh I see....so if you make lots of references to classic films, that elevates YOUR film to become a classic?
I think not.
To me, referencing classic films is a cheap shot, pretty much proving you have zero creativity of your own. I also take filmmakers to task for gunking up their films with "jurassic rock" songs. Only American films cater to the lowest common denominator.
I just finished watching the entire William Castle Box Set featuring movies of the late 50's-early 60's. If you want to talk about bad films....they were made back then too.
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>Kyle said: The crew of Apollo 11 are honored on the Hollywood "Walk Of Fame" to mark the world's largest television audience ever for a single event - the moon walk on June 20, 1969.
Wow I had no idea! Very cool!
>A few weeks ago, a survey by Nielsen for Sony Electronics was released that listed the most memorable television events of the last 50 years. And the Moon Landing was no where to be found-I was shocked!
Amazing. Actually very sad the top 3 events are tragedies while the moon landing is a triumph for mankind.
>and then walking outside and gazing upon the moon knowing someone was "up there" at that very moment.
Haha, we did the same thing!
I was lucky enough to be in FL for most of the Apollo mission and had ties to NASA-it was very exciting. Now my brother works in the space field, system operator for the Chandra telescope, still pretty exciting. I'm just a star/planet/satellite gazer.
From The Earth To The Moon is pretty good, but the Murray/Cox book APOLLO is the best explanation of how they accomplished the feat.
I couldn't IMAGINE watching 10 hours of the mission. It's not like "Hollywood" versions of loop mindless joking & insightful chatter, it's rather dull & technical. When I see a film about space, those lighthearted depictions always make me laugh. Sorry, our heros are truly serious nerds, focused on the task at hand.
When I first heard of Armstrong's death, I pictured his soul stopping by the moon on his way to the heavens.
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That reminds me of the Saturday my brother had to babysit me....I was about 5 and he was 13 or so. He desperately wanted to see Help!, like any other teen of the early 60's, so we walked to the theater. We came in partway through the movie and spent almost the entire afternoon watching it again & again.
I remembered when the lights came up in between the showings, the staff would clean up the auditorium, new people would come in, the lights would go down and there was Bugs Bunny. Yup, 2 Looney Tune shorts played first. I was scared we were doing something wrong, but my brother assured me all was fine & no one bothered us.
Now, I'm the person who walks through & cleans after a showing. Sometimes the feature changes to something else and all you see before a movie is advertising. A totally different world. But I'd still never kick out a patron for watching more than once.
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>joyrider said: The way the movie was made leaves any number of interpretations.
I agree with that, it's a huge reason why I love the film so much. The viewer actually participates in the film, bringing their own views to it. I like the Kennedy parallel, although I don't think it's intentional.
Kubrick just films the action, shows you what is happening, but does not gunk it up with dialogue to "tell" you what is happening, or explain it's meaning-it's up to YOU.
As for not seeing 2010 because it's "not directed by Kubrick", that's the sole reason many people prefer it. 2010 has a typical "linear" story that average people can follow easily. 2001 is much more visual, cerebral and "up to your interpretation".
And joyrider, if you think the moon missions were faked, then just HOW did the mirrors pointed directly to earth get there? (that's the point Mythbusters used when facing the same argument)
Obviously you are not into space enough to enjoy astronomy and view the leftover equipment on the moon surface by telescope.
Sorry, but I come from a NASA family and had to live in Orlando in the early 70's as a kid because of Dad's job. I admit, it's amazing we sent humans to the moon, especially when you see how primitive computers, eh, even TELEVISION was in '69.
But it's true. And sadly today, Neil Armstrong passed away.
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TCM23's back at complaining again...thanks LZ for such a nice long detailed posting....ole 23 never bothered to read it.
>EVERYTHING new sucks. Admit it people.
>today's cars suck
Oh contraire. Ride in any vintage car and you'll be amazed how they rode like a tin can. Todays vehicles are cushy, luxury comfy and smooth. I drive a pick up for work and it feels like a Cadillac. Great radio, air conditioning, bucket seats, safety features, lighting, storage, etc.
>Every car on the road was made in America. Madeo ut of sheet metal and chrome.
And people knew how to spell.
Dashboards are now plastic because it's SAFER. You want gas efficiency, you need a lighter vehicle. (our other car is a Prius, less comfy than my work pick up)
>today's movies suck
>today's music sucks
>today's fashions suck
Only if you stay within your leetle US teen confines. Spread out-the rest of the world still caters to adults.
I often find US Americans just think inside their little US bubbles. Canadians are far more "globally" thinking and Europeans even more so. There's a heck of a lot of great music/film/fashion coming out of Africa & East Asia these days too.
>everything has gotten more complicated. every thing , including kitchen appliances has too many buttions.
HA! I use vintage appliances and "more push buttons" were a modern addition for the jet age 50's/60's.
OK, now my feeling about modern US film:
When I see a modern film I enjoy getting a bite afterwards & discuss the movie we just saw. When asking others for a synopsis of the story, you'd be amazed how often it's "To kill the bad guy".
Contrast that with describing complicated stories of Now Voyager, Angels With Dirty Faces or even Mad Love.
In the recent "end credits" thread, it was said that people these days "rush to the door" to leave at the end of a movie. I speculated this was because movies no longer have any sort of emotional impact. What you just saw is instantly forgotten.
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How about Andie MacDowell? A fantastic model and remarkably good in every role I've seen her in. Clearly a class act.
Compare to sweet Kathy Ireland-
Who mostly modeled in bikinis and whose career standout was starring in MST favorite "Alien From LA"
In a former life I worked in the fashion industry and met Ms Ireland on a job shoot when very young. She's a super sweet gal, she worked hard and was good on the job.
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>I think they need to brach out and include auteurs and directors instead of just clinging to the catch phrase Summer Under the Stars.
I think there are several directors considered stars, for one Alfred Hitchcock.
Personally, I'd rather see "Summer Under The Charactor Stars" like Thomas Mitchell, Alan Hale, Eric Blore and so on..or "Second Banana Stars" like Jack Carson, Joan Davis, Virginia Weidler, etc.
I haven't recorded _one_ movie this month. Bleh, same old same old for the most part.
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This thread popped into my mind while driving yesterday. How could I forget Ronald Reagan? I owned an old cowboy pulp cover that Reagan had posed for. He was an "art" model in his early days!
Funny how you only think of women in fashion when you think of "models".
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And Swithin, don't forget Charles Halton's cranky bank examiner here telling George Bailey:
"I'd like to spend Christmas in Elmira with my family."
Great screen capture!
It's A Wonderful Life also mentions "the empty factory in Rochester". It's speculated Capra patterned Bedford Falls on Seneca Falls: exactly between Rochester & Syracuse. As you can see the bridge in town bears a striking resemblance (as does Main St) to the one in the movie:
Rochester is where Ingrid Bergman brings Gregory Peck to her teacher for further analysis. There are a few shots of the pre-highway map of Rochester in the police department.
The story A Place In The Sun was based upon took place in the lower portion of the Adirondack Park, near the Syracuse/Utica area.
In It Happened One Night, they are on a train going to "Albany, Schenectady, Utica, Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo" pretty much following the Erie Canal.
I've even heard in some old musical (with Eddie Cantor?) Oswego mentioned. Upstate NY was a bustling industrial corridor along the canal and later train route. Anyone who played vaudeville was well versed in upstate cities.
Several of the great movie moguls came directly to Adirondack town Gloversville upon landing in NYC from Russia to work in the glove factories and had ties to upstate. Goldfish started as a glove salesman traveling all over the state...Kirk Douglas was born & raised in Amsterdam (near Albany) and that "Hudson Valley" connection cemented a few relationships within the film industry.
Does this count?
hamradio- I visited Matewan after seeing the movie...gorgeous area of the country. The bullet holes are still in the building next to the train tracks! Also saw the Coal House & Hatfield/McCoy sites. No movies about that?
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Lauren Bacall is first to pop into my mind....but also Grace Kelly, Janet Leigh and Susan Hayward were all very successful models before becoming film stars.
One of my favorites, Cybill Shepherd can be found on many a "golden hits of summer" type compilation LP covers of the early 70's.
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Phyllis certainly led a long full life and seemed to be a genuinely happy person. And boy did she make millions of people happy throughout the years along with her....a true accomplishment.
And I agree, she was a very pretty woman-she just made herself up kooky to be funnier-and it worked!
Amazing that as a little kid of maybe 7 or 8, I'd get her jokes and laugh seeing her on 60's variety talk shows and still finding her funny as an adult and now I'm the "old lady" and STILL find her funny! That's quite a reach across age and years as well as cultural trends.
What a lovely testament that Phyllis was loved by so many generations for her humor. I recently saw her on a modern talk show completely dedicated to showcasing her career-she was still wonderful!
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>While realizing that the auction/collectables industry provides jobs to people and stimulates the economy, etc., and keeps stuff from the landfill that would otherwise go there, I don't understand why anybody would want to buy or have something that they don't have any personal connection to?
Indeed. I agree 100%.
I used to sell on ebay for others and once had a large format autograph book filled with really famous signitures including Gloria Swanson, Harold Lloyd and other early Hollywood stars. The owner took it back unsold and asked me if I was interested in it. Why? So it could sit on a shelf?
I have friends who are constantly buying movie props & pieces of clothing used in film. Who cares? It's just more JUNK to dust as far as I'm concerned.
The hat featured here is a part of Hollywood history and a lot more visually interesting than an autograph book. It belongs in a public place where others can enjoy it-not hidden away in someone's house.
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The costumed late night host is a favorite phenomenon of mine. Most likely the reason I was attracted to MST3K.
In Rochester NY we had the opposite sort of thing, "The SHHHH Show" on early Saturday mornings. It was hosted by the same guy who did news & "Dialing For Dollars" (remember those?) He'd whisper "Be quiet, your parents are still sleeping..."
They showed public domain films, mainly sci-fi, horror & kids comedy. That developed many a kid's interest in classic film and my argument for the worth of William Castle, Ed Wood, Abbott & Costello and other schlocky kid's fare.
I could watch most anything except for 13 Ghosts. That opening scared the bejesus out of me, I'd quickly turn it off! In my 20's I decided to face my fears once & for all and rented it from my local video store. I laughed my butt off and actually became an avid William Castle fan because of it.
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Well Cagney was the first actor to truly capture TikiKid's interest in classic film. We attended a screening of White Heat and she was won over-the over the top emotional acting, quick pace and rather simple easy to follow story, typical WB, is perfect for a teen.
So far she's enjoyed Mayor of Hell (then fell in love with Frankie Darro) Angels With Dirty Faces and Man of A Thousand Faces (although I think he was a bit too long-in-the-tooth) and next we'll try a musical for contrast, most likely Yankee Doodle Dandy.
That closing scene where he skips down the stairs makes me cry EVERY time.
We have a trip planned to visit Cagney's grave in downstate NY & I'll post pictures if anyone's interested. (Judy Garland & Joan Crawford are also nearby)
I'm also on a mission to find horses descended from his breeding lines. So far I've only uncovered that he bred Morgan horses. No surprise- they're short, stocky and fearless type.
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>Swithin wrote: Check Dunne out in I Remember Mama sometime, you might like it, it's a beautiful film. I think if they ever remade that, only Meryl Streep could do it. (I'm scared to ask what you think of the great Streep!)
OK, I'll give it a try-I'm sure the library has it (don't have cable anymore) And I think Streep is great.
Thinking about the subject of "people we don't care for" the very reason why I dislike some actors/actresses is the very essence of acting. These people are pretending with all their might to be lovable, watchable, interesting, if you will, SELLING themselves. They have to believe it themselves and are emoting their self confidence.
For guys like Grant, Gable and Cagney....I buy it. I believe them, I like them. For others if they just falter a teeny bit the illusion fails. But others may buy it-that's the trick!
It's just like training an animal. You can stand in front of a vicious dog or wild horse and if you BELIEVE and emote this with your entire body & eye contact, the animal buys it. All you have to do is look away for an *instant* and the bull will charge! They're looking for those cues.
I noticed Sinatra fails for a lot of people here. I love him. I think he does a great job, especially since he's not much to look at and usually working beside real pros-quite a feat. He must have been a real egomaniac.
Acting success/failure-it all depends on how well you can sell yourself. I certainly would never have the courage to try it!
>thomasterryjr: I do not care for (snipped list) Hattie McDaniels because they were stereotyped by Hollywood and society in playing maids, porters, chauffeur roles...
Hattie herself once said, "I'd rather play a maid than be one."
>and were not allowed to display class, dignity, beauty and their respective acting skills and talent.
Obviously you've never seen the film where Hattie belts out a number entertaining the troops. She's marvelous.
You don't think Louise Beavers added anything to her role in Imitation of Life?
It's like saying John Wayne's talent was wasted on only playing cowboys.
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TCM used to broadcast All The Fine Young Cannibals regularly in the past 5-7 years. The day I purchased a DVD recorder, they stopped showing it. It's not available on DVD.
It makes me wonder if there's any other gems out there featuring wonderful Susan Kohner that I haven't seen.
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>Swithin asked: But I disagree with you about Irene Dunne. How do you feel about her in I Remember Mama ?
Well it's the Dunn & "period" picture double turn off so I've never seen it! Anyway, she falls in the category of "don't care for her, but will watch a good movie despite her in it". I love My Favorite Wife & A Guy Named Joe for example of both films I liked with gals I dislike.
>rosebette said: I believe that Cooper was gifted at underplaying, rather than wooden, and hecould say a great deal with his face and the use of few words.
I'll agree to that, I just can't get EXCITED about seeing him in anything. But he's ok.
Wow, I really enjoy Keenan Wynn & George Sanders-I think they're both scene stealers.
But I pretty much *won't* watch Randolph Scott who just belongs in The Village People as a cowboy. And as Sepiatone also mentioned Adolph Menjou-he IS is weird looking-he reminds me of the Monopoly man. But ok in charactor roles like the great Eugene Pallette. And I won't even show up to any of my film group's screening of a Jeanette MacDonald/Nelson Eddy movie.
As for today's "stars"?
Everyone knows my white hot disdain for talentless Tom Hanks. He unseated Kevin Costner as my most hated modern actor.
Drew Barrymore is my favorite these days, I think she's beautiful, a good actress & role model.
But otherwise good actors like Depp are just lost in awful awful films. It's not their fault, not even the greatest acting could save these putrid Hollywood productions. (which is why I watch mostly British or Indian films these days)
Anthony Hopkins is a fine actor. But was is necessary to "knight" him for it? Oy.
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I'll try to reply without referencing any one else's post, but some responses certainly hit a note with me.
There are several actors/actresses I don't care for, but I'll still watch the movie:
?I can't stand Dick Powell & Fred MacMurray, but the movies they're in are usually worth seeing.
?I also can't stand Bing, but love the Road pictures because I love Bob Hope. I absolutely love when Bob puts Bing down!
?I dislike Jean Arthur and Irene Dunn in exactly the same way-their voices are annoying and their self confidence strikes me as unworthy. But I'll tolerate them in a good movie.
?Betty Grable doesn't even strike me as all that pretty or bringing anything special to her roles. And Grace Kelly has that annoying fake sounding voice. Audrey Hepburn has a similar fake sounding voice, but she can carry her haughty conceit in a movie somehow.
Actors That RUIN a movie:
*Gary Cooper* - except in Ball of Fire, where he's perfectly cast as a dull witted dweeb
*John Wayne* - does he have any facial expressions? maybe he got better as he aged, but meh.
*Marlon Brando* - smug and a loser, male version of Arthur & Dunn
*James Dean* - I just don't "get" him, what a whiner
*Charlton Heston* - still waiting for his skull to rip out of his face
*Bob Cummings* & *Tyrone Power* are another pair of bland, stone faced cardboard cut outs
*Lee J Cobb* - just awful (and I like big hams)
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>lzcutter wrote: Am I the only one who feels this way?
You're not, it's just people are more inclined to respond to "emotional" posts rather than "mature" ones.
>why are threads treated like open mic night at a comedy club?
I was away for 2 weeks and saw the meltdown yet was having too much fun in RL to bother responding. I've been on the internet since 1993 and find most forums/newsgroups/message boards to be like high school; you have your bullies, trolls, attention hounds, quiet intellectuals, goofy art kids, serious students, etc.
This group was better than most...I suppose because of the "mature" topic of classic film, for the most part posters were respectful and left interesting comments.
Sure, there would be the occasional put down, the occasional newbie poster, the occasional troll....but for the most part you could quickly recognise them and either ignore or deal with them depending on your nature.
And that's the crux of my comment- it takes 2 to argue. Two mature people debate, immature people flame, hijack threads and insult.
Case in point: I often post a simple sentence, thinking everyone follows my statement. A counter post will quote me and either say, "huh?" or "you're totally wrong".
Instead of taking insult, I look back and see how others may have read my statement, or if it did not really explain what I meant. But an immature person (on the board) would counter by launching a huge hate fest over it.
It's starting to happen here.
So, you can deal with it the same way you do in RL- get frustrated & argue or just decide not to engage. I often give newbies the benefit of the doubt because they may not be well socialized in netticate yet. Hopefully, they'll learn by your example.
There are so many knowledgeable film fans here, I enjoy their opinions on film, actors and all the aspects of classic film. It's often a limited subject and this group often includes those with a vastly different point of view. I have listened to recommendations (seen a lot of stinkers) but for the most part, learned how classic film works and touches others differently.
Guess I'm a glass half full sort of person.
Damn the trolls!