Tikisoo
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>I guess the people back then didn't know any better.
No, people back then didn't have central heating in their houses or warm cars to ride to work in.
I inherited all my family furs-one of them being a man's sheared beaver long coat of my grandfather's. He had to walk from his downtown apartment several blocks to his store every day, and if you know anything about upstate NY, it's freekin' bone chilling cold & there is nothing warmer than fur.
I also have my grandmother's "monkey fur" jacket-most likely dyed raccoon or skunk. Long black fur was all the rage for 20's flappers- Rosalind Russell wears one in GYPSY, or a lookalike of one.
I have bought fake fur capes on ebay for costume for $10 - when they arrived, both turned out to be real - one mink and one cow.
Please don't complain about another place & time that you have no control over. Remember, things change.
And I always thought Carlotta was based on Ethel Barrymore too.
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Cute stories, Sepiatone!
Has anyone noticed a lot of the responses here are confusing 2 people who share the same first names?
Brian Aherne/Brian Donlevy
Robert Young/Robert Montgomey
Jane Powell/Jane Wyman
I wonder if that's a part of it?
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Joan Blondell to Ann Southern
Ann Southern to Joan Bennett
Joan Bennett to Hedy Lamarr
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I see this thread differently than "Lookalikes" because this thread is more about your personal confusion of 2 stars, rather than them just looking alike.
For example, TikiKid loves anything with Frankie Darro in it because she thinks he resembles contemporary teen heartthrob Josh Hutcherson-"lookalikes".
As a kid I always loved big eyed blonde Joan Blondell and was delighted to discover her early work in Busby Berkely musicals. It wasn't until I was an adult that I realized it was someone else in the Maisie movies-Ann Southern! I guess they look alike, but that falls under "confusing two stars" imho.
And speaking of "voice-alikes" sometime take a listen to John Garfield's voice, it's almost identical to Gene Kelly's voice. (from years of listening to TCM while painting)
Love the Ricky Nelson haunted house story.
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Thanks Mark, I'm adding a few to my "record" list based on your recommendations!
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Count me in for enjoying Blaxsploitation films-I love them!
Guess I'm just a child of the 70's.
Also a huge Josephine Baker fan...wish TCM would show a block of her features. I've never seen ZouZou. Princess Tam Tam is a fantastic film.
Our local PBS station gets really old (many obscure) films showing every night from 6-10pm. Recently shown, THIS IS THE ARMY had a few "cringe" moments depicting a minstrel show, but a very rousing number of black soldiers with a spotlight on dance & music of Harlem. Sadly, I bet TCM steers clear of it because of the minstrel number.
PBS also showed a mystery with an all black cast made for a black audience, something we often hear about in film history, but rarely see broadcast. It was silly and poorly acted, but it was still GREAT to see, if only for the historical context.
I'd love to see these included on a TCM lineup sometime, but I bet they are worried about backlash.
As they always say during Black History Month, "Sidney Poitier was a 'safe' black man" Wish they'd push the envelope a bit. We can take it.
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I'll tell you one thing I don't miss about video stores....the crappy selection. I remember looking for Woody Allen's Stardust Memories and the child staff blankly stood there with gaping mouths. Yet they had rows and rows of Starship Troopers and Batman. Video stores deserved to die, imho.
As for loaning out movies to others...copying DVDs is so easy, if I truly think someone will like a movie, I just give them a dupe. (aarrrgh, pirate!) That way they can keep it or pass it on. I have a Sandra Bullock movie with Chinese subtitles passed all the way from Taiwan!
I do not feel badly about doing this after buying so many DVDs for $17.99 or spending $750/yr on cable. It all evens out.
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Wow, you guys really enjoy feeding the trolls. I loved clore's comment on the irony!
I enjoy having DVDs because I can easily share them with others-people often look at me for recommendations.
For me, the "video store" of yesteryear has just been replaced by the local used CD/DVD store. I've found many a strange foreign horror film for $5.
And I've never stepped foot in a Wal*Mart. ew.
That said, if you live in the inner city such as I do, you may want to "mark" all your commercial DVDs. (I just put return address labels to the inside of the paper insert) It's common for addicts to steal a collection just to turn them into cash at these stores.
Funny, I just watched A Star Is Born with Judy Garland. In it, there was a party scene where the movie stars showed a projected film to their guests in a home theater. I was struck by how extravagant that was for then, and how common home theaters are now in the average home. (I even have vintage theater seats-not comfortable!)
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Wow interesting discussion!
finance- thanks for the Mugwumps trivia-I'm a musicphile like that. Since we spoke of Wolfman Jack on Midnight Special, anyone remember Don Kirschner's Rock Concert? I totally forgot all about that until watching a season 4 of Saturday Night Live and seeing Paul Schaeffer as Kirschner.
kingrat said: ...the use of pre-existing pop songs as a soundtrack. This is so common, so inescapable today, that it's hard to realize that this was *revolutionary* in 1973. This was a disaster for those who composed original music for the movies.
(bold by me) He's not stating "first"
And I for one feel cheated when I hear a pop song inserted into a move for "effect" especially in cartoons. Not sure why, but it feels like a cheap shot. Just heard a guy interviewed on NPR who "chooses & gets the rights" for songs to be used in film. Like that's a job I'd be proud of-NOT.
I miss real "movie music" and it's a contributing factor for why I don't enjoy modern movies.
In AG, the spin of having the song as "radio" seems perfectly natural and fits the movie.
>clore: That never happened when I went to high school. Nor did I go home to an Aunt like Mamie Van Doren, more like Mamie Eisenhower.
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>But TRUE GRIT was a tale of vengeance where the quest was initiated by a young girl.
clore, you really misunderstood my post.
>I then kind of realized many films popular with guys are about revenge-
Meaning that it seems to me, guys enjoy stories of revenge in general whereas most women I know think revenge plots are kind of stupid.
And realize I'm speaking in GENERAL terms, not ALL men like XX and ALL women like YY. But it is a division I've noticed.
I don't think culturally women are brought up to seek revenge. I think "one upping" someone is part of the "competition" piece most boys are taught from an early age.
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Liz, as usual your post was great-succinct with wonderful insight.
>Disney was blindsided by Walt's death in 1966 and took years to recover.
They have never "recovered" in my opinion. I use Walt's death as a cutoff point between "classy artful Disney" & "lousy Disney".
>?brought the studio to its knees with bad decisions
>?two pet projects- Camelot and 1776 did him in.
>?until they backed the wrong pictures
Amazing that the major studios (like MGM & WB) went from cranking out dozens of movies every year from "A"s to "B"s to shorts to banking it all on one or two "A" pictures. It seems like that change in output contributed to the fall of the great studios too.
>Robert Evans magical touch
I'm glad you mentioned him, he's a fave. I never realized he was the same guy for Evan Picone until I saw The Kid Stays In The Picture. Amazing guy!
And glad Ted Turner bought up the MGM library of "old movies" when others thought it was garbage. Another insightful guy. We wouldn't be talking here if it wasn't for him!
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I recently watched a film deemed a classic (sorry, which movie it was escapes me) and hated it.
The entire plot of the film was this long drawn out quest for revenge. The main charactor traveled far & wide with an obsession to avenge some past evil.
I then kind of realized many films popular with guys are about revenge- that one with Henry Fonda as the evil guy, True Grit, The Godfather, etc.
It certainly seems guys accept the idea of revenge and enjoy when the evil doer gets his due, especially if it involves blood or torture.
Women (or at least THIS woman) just find it kind of a waste of time & energy.
As a woman, I enjoy seeing other women "get their comeuppance" by twist of circumstance, more like karma, kind of like Bette Davis in Jezebel.
Could this be just me...or a common difference in how men & women think?
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>filmlover said: Why would studios take a chance on comics after the terrible times of the Fifties? Easy. Money. Kids were a great audience for movies and so the chance of a tie-in could mean a kid could also buy a comic. More money for them.
And this illustrates "the more things change, the more they stay the same"
>Remember, at 10 cents (and later 12 cents) from the late Fifties and early Sixties, that was an amount close to what a boy or girl paid to get into a movie, so it was more profits for the studios.
And that's really the only difference. Nowadays comics & movies are $5-10.00.
And back then, comic theme movies were generally lower budget, simple story lines and made for kids. These days comic theme movies are the "big must see blockbuster", eh.
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>THE HECK WITH HOLLYWOOD AND THEY'RE 'CELEBRITIES'.
You mean "their" celebrities. I understand your frustration, but when you rant like that, you are not backing up your opinions with any facts. And I am sailing in the same boat as you-I rarely go to the movies these days.
VX was correct-the powers that be in Hollywood choose CGI over real physical effects because it's cheaper. They don't care about the "art" of the product.
Remember, even LB Mayer did one "prestige" picture a year, knowing it would lose money, but for the sake of "art". Aside from that example, Hollywood has always been a business about money first, art second.
And as long as people pay to see these movies, they _will_ continue. (and the majority of people do)
I am amazed at the dreck people go to see. They leave the theaters unsatisfied saying, "It was ok" and they go back to see the next hyped dreck. (who'd ever think The Lorax would be worthwhile?) They just don't seem to know/care/want anything better.
I love walking out of a theater happy and invigorated over what I just saw. That hasn't happened in a LONG TIME.
The only way I know to deal with it is vote with my dollars. If I hear good things about a movie, there's always a second run theater.
Let me ask you (& anyone else who cares to answer) If either of the 2 leading presidential candidates donated an entire superpack to the national debt and curtailed advertising for the limited period that would have funded-would you vote for them based on that principled act?
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ValentineXavier on Network: I didn't think of him as insane, but rather as expressing the rage of a normal human, who had been pushed too far.
My reaction exactly to reality TV and today's news "media". And I'm not nuts, am I?
And yes, insanity is quite fertile a subject for movies:
THE 3 FACES OF EVE
THE SNAKE PIT
THE FISHER KING
REPULSION
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Heh neurochelle....I get it. Cute.
The woman who does the month's movie news has a gorgeous buttery voice, but I hate when she opens with "HI". Sounds stupid.
I once had to voice a cartoon charactor, and it was the toughest thing ever! The animator tried to coax a "performance" out of me, but because he is a close friend, I was embarrassed.
He said, "just pretend you're Mae West" and he did a few lines in that persona, swinging his hips. It cracked me up and that loosened me to then became the charactor. It was still embarrassing.
I've watched well known professionals voice cartoons at Nelvana and it was amazing. Never underestimate talent, it's way harder than you think.
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Well I'm glad you asked Geetar-although I haven't seen it in a long time, it's a film I have always liked for several reasons:
It was the first movie I ever went to see with my friends. At 13, it was tough scrounging that $3.50, but totally worth it. I loved Wolfman Jack and listened to him all through my teen years and 50's "root" R&R was popular among my artsy crowd. We were totally kids in the same vein as MacKenzie Phillips charactor, but oh so wanted to be older and "on dates" like Candy Clark's charactor. We didn't leave the theater, sitting through it twice. It made me understand what watching Andy Hardy films were like for my Mom.
We really liked the style of the film-the 70's was a happy happy time period, there is no wonder nostalgia for the 50's and 20's prevailed.
>*What happened to Charles Martin Smith? (I mean career-wise)
What ever happened to him? Well, he is a very talented actor and single handedly carries the entire movie NEVER CRY WOLF. It's played on TCM and totally worth a watch.
As for the soundtrack, it was well documented that Lucas wanted Elvis tunes but could not afford it. He thought the picture may not fly without Elvis. I think it was best there was no Elvis...and it was quite creative having the radio as the backdrop of the story.
And by time I was a teen, I had flaming pink spiky hair & was a punk rocker! (which actually has roots in early garage R&R)
>If more films of the 1970s had been this good, I would have gone to see more films of the 1970s. Note that the color was good. There were no zoom shots and no wiggly hand-held shots. It was photographed in a traditional style.
Indeed, I agree with you 100% Fred
And it was filmed in sequence, so the actors truly get tired as the night wanes.
>Much of the music, maybe most of it, and the cars, were from the 1950s, so it was a nostalgia film for the late 1950s too.
Right, because in no "time" does everyone have up-to-date "things". How many of us have VCRs or live in 2012 houses?
My take on Dreyfuss? If he didn't act like the uptight urbanite in every film, we probably wouldn't be sick of him. But since I'm an uptight urbanite myself, I hardly notice until it's mentioned. (same w/Woody Allen)
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The thread title is "WOW" and I'm assuming the OP is impressed with the photo of Fonda on the walkway:
I think Jane looks great and that Versace dress is amazingly flattering & exciting - illustrative of what a great designer can do.
(and what fun seeing all those goofy photographers craning & scrambling in the backround!)
I felt the same way about elder Liz Taylor appearing in her incredible gowns & jewelry, I especially liked when she let her hair go "natural" gray. It was exciting (and admirable) to see someone still look glamorous after all those years.
>Perfect they have to be, evidently, in both their looks and their behaviour, or down they go, the slams and put-downs always ready
Yes misswonderly, Focusing on criticism, & negative "slams" *is* common - among adolescent boys. Just goes to show you how the US accepts & is based on teen boys meanness. Just look at reality TV, Hollywood movies and recent magazine advertising.
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OK, I'll jump onto the music portion of our program.
Despite the fact it has no melody, this Pretender's song is even more pertinent:
I WENT BACK TO OHIO
BUT MY CITY WAS GONE
THERE WAS NO TRAIN STATION
THERE WAS NO DOWNTOWN
SOUTH HOWARD HAD DISAPPEARED
ALL MY FAVORITE PLACES
MY CITY HAD BEEN PULLED DOWN
REDUCED TO PARKING SPACES
A, O, WAY TO GO OHIO
WELL I WENT BACK TO OHIO
BUT MY FAMILY WAS GONE
I STOOD ON THE BACK PORCH
THERE WAS NOBODY HOME
I WAS STUNNED AND AMAZED
MY CHILDHOOD MEMORIES
SLOWLY SWIRLED PAST
LIKE THE WIND THROUGH THE TREES
A, O, OH WAY TO GO OHIO
I WENT BACK TO OHIO
BUT MY PRETTY COUNTRYSIDE
HAD BEEN PAVED DOWN THE MIDDLE
BY A GOVERNMENT THAT HAD NO PRIDE
THE FARMS OF OHIO
HAD BEEN REPLACED BY SHOPPING MALLS
AND MUZAK FILLED THE AIR
FROM SENECA TO CUYAHOGA FALLS
SAID, A, O, OH WAY TO GO OHIO
And the saddest part is, she could be talking about any of the northeast rustbelt states.
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That picture of Constance Bennett is creepy-looks like someone else's head on that body.
Back to list of lithe figures:
JEAN HARLOW
BARBARA STANWYK
JOAN CRAWFORD
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>casablancalover said: Nostalgia is the fantasy memory of the experience, or what we feel is the experience. We rationalize out the reality that we find less than ideal and add details that we think are true to the design.
Wow, so perfectly stated I copied that & am keeping it in my restoration notebook. I may even use it in my sales pitches!
My reasoning;"This lasted 80/90/100 years because it was done right the first time. The only reason it needs work now is because some **** didn't properly maintain it. Don't be another ****-be a hero to your community"
I should know, 80% of my day is spent undoing bad previous repairs.
And I'll reiterate the reason we prefer vintage buildings, houses, neighborhoods, shopping, theater experiences is because the designers took PEOPLE under consideration, not what will be cheapest & easiest for the developer.
We live in a society that accepts short life spans of things rather than value longevity. I think that changes for many by time they become a senior citizen. We need to instill those values in our kids.
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Haha, I once hung a Christmas tree from the ceiling when I was a display designer for an art supply store. We simply didn't want anything stolen off it!
misswonderly, I lurved that article (god I miss the Globe & Mail, Canadians still know how to write sentences)
especially this line:
>5. Heritage preservation is more labour-intensive, which means more jobs. It?s also good for the environment.
My job.
When I'm in an oddball mood at some gathering (esp among the artsyfartsy crowd) and anyone asks what "I do" I'll reply "a professional recycler."
I also find restoration tastes to be cyclical. For example there are decades when something like neon signs are considered garish and trashy and others when they are considered "art". These tastes often ebb & flow with economics, war & optimism.
Remember the 70's when everything was "natural" and rough hewn wood was desirable siding? Cars were orange, gold & brown?
10-20 years later the opposite happens when sleek lines, shiney modern colors are "clear" turquoises and purples.
THIS to me is the biggest reason to preserve & restore. You never know when that building you want to raize will come back into vogue and there's no true examples left.
I've seen this happen before. People don't have the insight to restore a vintage diner so they create a cartoon of what they think a diner should look like, like that Ford's Garage example shown above.
Developers often look at me like I have a hole in my head when I tell them their original 1949 colors were canary cream and terra cotta red, they just SO much want to paint it turquoise & pink because it's all they know. And if those attitudes continue, the real thing, real colors will be gone & forgotten forever.
And like that author said, something happens when you walk inside a well preserved building. Who doesn't enjoy the experience of seeing a film in a beautifully restored vintage theater? Multiplexes are like seeing a movie in an airport, no thought whatsoever to the PEOPLE inhabiting the building. And sadly, fewer & fewer people will have that "real" experience to know the difference.
Gone forever.
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My favorite movies involving strong mother charactors:
Now Voyager
White Heat
Mildred Pierce
Imitation of Life
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Two Women
(note all but White Heat are about mothers/daughters)
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>Anger usually has the basis of the story correct, but mixes up a lot of gossip and questionable material so the whole is often incorrect. (snipped) It's certainly not a good idea to take Anger at face value.
Oh, so K. Anger was the Wikipedia of the 70's/80's.
>the dead body of Marie Prevost was chomped on by her dog when apparently it's not true.
But Nick Lowe made a memorable song based on the falsehood....
"...she was a winner, that became the doggie's dinner, she never meant that much to me....oh poor Marie"
Oh no-another thread turned to song quotes!
Question About "Dinner At Eight."
in General Discussions
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"Over harvesting" is right.
I completely forgive my forebears for wearing fur, they needed it.
There is no reason in this day & age for anyone to wear dead skins of animals, although I still see lots of leather belts, purses & footwear around. (not to mention leather furniture) Even horse saddles & harness these days are often synthetic, although they don't last nearly as long as the old handmade leather ones. I know, I ride in a 100 year old saddle.
We want to replace the natural materials (animal hide) with synthetic so now the dilemma is disposing of it when it fails! Our landfills & oceans are full of non degradable plastic. It sickens me to throw out and even use plastic.
I guess when I see furs in films I look at it the same way as racial prejudices-I'm glad that period of our culture is over & unacceptable.