Tikisoo
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> {quote:title=ChipHeartsMovies wrote:}{quote}
> TCM...Robert O ... please interview her ASAP. With all due respect, she's long overdue, and there isn't a lot of time to have that talk.
I certainly haven't forgotten her either.
I bet TCMs been trying to get her to talk for years, but she won't. She has such disdain for Hollywood, she won't contribute.
In this respect, she IS another Garbo.
Sad, because WE lose.
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Hey there GeorgieGirl....I'll bite!
Well, I will only reveal this on the internet...turning 48 this year.
In RL I only admit to 36 and totally get away with it. Only down side of that is most men who ask me out are 30 and say, "I love older women!!" (little do they know I could be their Mom, heehee)
While growing up, going to the movies was a luxury. My obscession began seeing old 30's-40's films on TV. I still can't get interested in 90% of new cinema. Blech, waste of time.
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Interesting!
I definitely like the ending of the films better than what was written. I prefer open endings for the viewer to speculate what could happen and why.
The "coupling" of Eliza & Higgins isn't entirely spelled out, just kind of hinted at. I've always believed Higgins "confirmed bachelorhood" really meant homosexual. Would his affection for Eliza bring him to the "other side"? I think she was going to give it a try.
I thoroughly enjoyed the print broadcast-just beautiful! Although My Fair Lady was the first musical in my life and very dear to me, I think I actually preferred Pygmalion!
I've always wondered what Howard's appeal was, c'mon Scarlett.....Howard over GABLE?
But he was absolutely delightful as Higgins, a real surprise since I didn't think anyone could be as wonderful as Rex Harrison. It seemed obvious to me all the principles in MFL studied this earlier film because the performances were almost identical to those earlier performances.
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OK, ok, I knew my opinion might get bashed. That's the beauty of any "art" in my opinion, that everyone has different outlooks on it.
And you are all correct, that dramatic style _was_ the style of the day, even my mother can come across overly dramatic at times. (sorry, Mom)
Actors like Gable were still pretty dramatic, but using more voice inflection and facial expression than wild hand movements. I tend to refer to this as "ham control".
But was this just the first wave of subtlety once when they realized film is close up & catches all the nuances? Or is it a factor of "stage to screen" acting? Or an element of silents to sound?
Norma Shearer comes across as overly dramatic, while Joan Crawford seems more subtle.
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I sat down and listened to that same spot, "Word of Mouth" concerning black actors & Oscars. Especially focusing onHattie McDaniel in GWTH.
One guy said whenever he watched GWTW and a black actor came on screen he cringed because of the portrayal. I said to the screen, "Well, I'm not black and it makes me cringe too!"
Hattie's performance is the only one I can enjoy; annoying Butterfly McQueen and the awful stilted line reading of charactor "Polk" is almost intolerable. But, it's the times and those charactors. Not anything to do with "blackness".
And when one person interviewed mentioned, "Where does Mammy live? What is her relationship with Prissy?" I thought to myself, this is Scarlett's story, not Mammy's story. To know what house slaves thought about the Civil War is another story/movie.
I've actually taken Hattie's Oscar quote as my own, "I did my best and God did the rest," and love her other famous one, "I'd rather play a housemaid than be one". I think both Hattie McDaniel & Sidney Poitier are fantastic ACTORS. If it wasn't for the fact that their roles often center around being black, it wouldn't even be an issue.
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Here we go again Fred....for whatever reason you & I are polar opposites in tastes. I hope that's ok with you, of course I respect your opinion. The world would be a very boring place if we were all the same!
I was all excited about seeing this last night, as I like Muni in the handful of movies I've seen him in. I ended up hating this movie so much, I turned it off in the last half hour!
Muni's acting was so over the top, I couldn't bear to watch him any longer. Sure, actors of the time were pretty dramatic...but not even Cagney would point his finger in the air or wiggle his head to emphasise a point like Muni did.
What a glazed HAM!
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Yup, thanks baxter.....I settled in and watched it instead of painting, and it inspired me for the rest of the day!
I especially enjoyed the "confrontation" scene where Guinness said, "And then you SOLD my paintings to Hixson" and the woman replied calmly, "That's right" as she poured tea! I'll have to remember to take that calm tact the next time someone accuses me with hot emotions. Shuts them right down!
I didn't quite grasp the ending, though. The whole communal mural painting, then demolition. I'd really really like to see this again. Anyone DVDR it? I'd be glad to trade a copy of anything from my vast DVD collection for a copy of this.
(just successfully copied GREAT Stangers On A Train)
The paintings reminded me of the ones in Pleasantville.
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Thanks for the heads up baxter!
I actually have the day off tomorrow, so I can actually watch it. Although, somehow it seems fitting I should only listen to it while painting!
As a kid I always loved Kind Hearts & Coronets, the only Guinness comedy I knew about. Lately a slew of these British gems have been surfacing & I must take advantage of seeing them!
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A-HA! Thanks for your post Kubrickbuff, (I'm a big SK fan too)
Unfortunately, I had an 8pm business call, so I had it on with no sound. I thought to myself, "This looks like a good movie.....damn!" Then I spotted the lead actor and thought, "Is that TOAD? Gee, all some guys need is a beard to go from dweeb to hunky."
Black Stallion and Fly Away Home are two faves of mine. I have horses & ducks.....no wolves, but a dog, so Ballard definitely makes movies for my tastes.
Let's hope it's shown again.
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OK, I'm going to say it.....I think TCM does a great job!
Sure there are "repeats" of films shown often. That's ok, it gives me a chance to choose which viewing time is convenient for me.
And I don't know how many times I've looked at the schedule and thought, "I don't know this movie", tuned in and heard Robert Osborne say, "A TCM premiere.." Several Paramount and 20th Century Fox films lately.
It can't be cheap to get the rights to show these films, and I'm so glad TCM is keeping the programming fresh. Every "new" film I've seen has been worthwhile.....more than I can say about theater viewing.
Thanks TCM for bringing such a quality variety of films into my own home.
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This is a great thread with so many thoughtful observations and opinions! All "right" of course, there are so many shades of gray to this topic.
You make the points FOR nudity and violence Arkadin, I don't think any film lover would disagree. Your examples are all valid and really therefore not offensive to the masses. I think what most of us object to is filmmakers putting in too much offensive material simply for it's shock value. Anyone out there see Chasing Amy ?
>Vitaphony said:
>Also, that obligatory "lovemaking montage set to music" scene in countless rated-R movies is such a huge clich? by now. Does anyone still enjoy those kinds of scenes?
And that's the point. No one enjoys it, every adult knows the plot point, and if you didn't include it, your kids could see the film and maybe learn about relationships.
Can you imagine if we saw a sex scene in Miracle of Morgan's Creek?
I just think bad language and sex scenes are over used and can detract from the "story". That's assuming there IS a story.
>How about the actors say the word "popcorn" or "nachos" in place of the word "S***". It might >help increase concession sales at theaters.
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> patful wrote:
> I just don't think it would work very well, Fred. You'd be left with long periods of dead air in many of them.
>*Fargo* comes to mind. I love the Coen brothers (really the only modern movies I watch), but they do get carried away with it sometimes.
I agree 100% with the "carried away" comment. My 80 yr old Mom loves Fargo, but only because she's seen the TV (censored) version sans bad language.
Just goes to show you the SAME EXACT film will work just fine without swearing. Tried showing her Big Lobowski DVD and after 5 minutes she said, "this is boring" and I knew it was the unnecessary language.
Back to Carnal Knowledge ....I actually liked it, although found the charactors disturbing. The only bad word I heard was "f-ing", but the story was about "f-ing" and they only showed "f-ing" twice, briefly. The first time I was concentrating on Candice Bergen's expression of total shock & disgust (reminded me of Two Women ) The other time was with Ann-Margret and I was so mezmerized by her gorgeous body, I forgot to be offended. :-)
When I watch films like this I wonder if it would still "work" if any offending scenes were left out. In _almost every_ case, it still works just fine. It's just uncreative lazyness to keep relying on these shock tactics of bad language, explicit sex & violence in movies, and a LOT harder to be tasteful and acceptible by the masses.
PS Yesterday the two films I saw for the first time: Carnal Knowledge & Finding Nemo .....and loved them both!
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>gagman66 wrote:
> Not to change the subject, but does anyone here on these boards actually like CARNAL KNOWLEDGE???
Funny you should bring this up because I've wanted to see both BC+TA and CK, but could only tape one. Yeah, I'll keep my old fashioned vcr until it dies. I chose to tape CK only because I'm currently reading Ann-Margret's biography and she only had good things to say about it.
I dislike gratuitous violence, sex and bad language in any story. I'm curious to see if I think it's been done tastfully or not.
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Thanks Popcorn&Dots, I forgot about some of those. John Lennon comes to mind of course, but not a movie guy really. Those others....Sharon Tate....how could I forget? What a total shame.
Guess the moral of the story is we could go any time. If you are an entertainer, your death deprives the world from ever enjoying your talents again. I get most angry at those that cause their own demise-SELFISH!
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Anyplace where we can just READ a transcript?
I don't like to watch or download these clips either. They tend to crash my computer, or take forever. Much rather read it, low tech.
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Funny you'd bring up this subject and movieman referrs to Carnal Knowledge. I've wanted to see this (& Network) for years and finally taped both to see. I realize both these films were controversial at the time and will contain lots of "potty mouth". In the case of Network, Finch's character spews "B*llsh*t" and it fits the story and isn't offensive at all. There's a little sex, unnecessary imho. I've yet to watch CK, but I expect it to be raunchy. If it fits the story and could be done no other way, then I'll accept it.
I have more of a problem with films like Big Lobowski. Every other word is the F one, and although funny to hear it uttered once in desperation by 90 lb weakling Steve Buschemi, it loses all impact when repeated over & over in leiu of "wow" or "oh no".
I *do* live in an inner city, and hear kids speak like this all day. It's typical Bowery Boys Syndrome, kids wanting to shock adults and show their peers how "grown up" they are. They'll eliminate it once they hit the real world. But these contemporary filmmakers load up on foulness to entertain the younger crowd. Rude awakening, you limit your audience by 50% with bad language alone. I'm surprised the distributor/studios don't try to limit this to broaden the film's appeal.
That said, I always enjoy referring to Woody Allen's brilliant A Midsummer Night Sex Comedy It's a story ALL ABOUT sex yet there's not an offensive moment in it. I screened it with my 80 yr old mother and we never stopped laughing.
It's an old addage, "If you can't say anything intelligent, you swear instead."
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I love this movie! The song was a super hit in the 60's-it played all the time. A great time capsule of hair and fashions of the 60's. But first and foremost a sweet cute story. Hope it screens AGAIN at a better time for me to catch it.
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I've always wanted to see Network, but TCM always plays it late at night. I taped it and watched it, and now understand why (language/sex)
I had no idea William Holden was in it (was it his last role?) but was stoked when I saw his name. At first, I was shocked by his appearence, but I guess he was a real alcoholic in his later days (true?)
But after seeing the entire film, I almost think it's my favorite role of his. I completely believed a young chickie would "go" for him (I certainly would) he was still pretty sexy, plus so intelligent and caring.
Holden personifies ALL of the traits of that charactor; he has a deep intelligence along with a gentle softness backed by strong morality. And somehow, Holden brings that to ALL of his greatest roles, doesn't he? Is it his choice of roles? The words written for him to speak? Or is it something HE brings to the part?
There just seems to be no one like him.
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> PopcornAndDots wrote:
> I would like those who have died at the hands of a crazed fan and/or stalker to have their lives back.
Can you name one or two? I don't know of any off the top of my head.
And I forgot....I'd "save" William Holden. Shameful death, easily preventable.
And just to explain my "good talking to" comment, it was just a glib way of saying "real professional help", "detox" that sort of thing. And I am fully aware of both ladies stories, Marilyn's so called "psychiatrist" and Judy's addiction starting early by her Mom and later perpetuated by MGM. They both had more people pushing them towards failure by keeping them addicted & mentally unstable, than actually helping.
Hopefully, today we are much more aware of this sort of abuse and loved ones won't tolerate it and intervene. Owen Wilson's teetering mental stability comes to mind, as well as Drew Barrymore's early alcoholism.
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Wow! Thanks molo for all that great info!
I love the Bowery Boys (I'll just lump all incarnations into that group) because they are the "original juvies".
When I get into arguments about "kids these days", and people say the world is going to he*l: kids glamorize criminals, want to shock, set themselves apart with language/clothing, join gangs, think violence is cool, etc
_I_ say, "nothing has changed"
And I refer to the BB who did ALL those things over 50 years ago. There always was a contingent of kids that were "bad".... violent, had weapons, went underground of mainstream.
It's a shame, but it's true.
And I bet you probably could find a few "hearts of gold" among today's hoodlums, if you just separated them from the crowd, just like the BB. And that's what I love about American film... it's a history lesson of American sociology.
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Whoa, you need to take a breather, sit down and relax.
Horribly off topic and disjointed thoughts posted there...
> {quote:title=michaeltaso wrote:}{quote}
> she made some films in the 40's and 50;s,,,,died young, age 43 in 1962?...starred in MY GOLD CADILLAC?...she was great ,,,did a picture w/ JACK LEMMON where she gets all these billboards w/ her name on them,,lol
Oh, just looked again and realized the OP was yours, and you just type that way. Guess disjointed thoughts and run on sentences is your "style".
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> Film_Fatale wrote:
> I'm just a little surprised nobody has yet mentioned Judy Garland
I think because she was discovered so young and pushed hard, she left a good body of work: several films, recordings and even TV specials for us to enjoy.
But yeah, I think both Marilyn & Judy could have been saved if given a good talking to. And SHOULD have been saved, just tragic.
If you want to talk about tragic, what about child actress Virginia Weidler? Bright promising future as a kickas* child actress and by 16 discarded by her industry. Died by age 42.
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Unbelieveable TCM doesn't honor birthdays when they are ALIVE and actually celebrating their birthday, but rather after they're gone, like Elvis a few weeks ago.
Happy Birthday Jean Simmons, hope you had an enjoyable day. Your talent still continues to shine in your film work.
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> musicalnovelty wrote:
> The post-1946 Monogram "Bowery Boys" features generally are in very good shape. As has been noted, TCM did show many of them back around 2000, usually two or three in a row on Sunday afternoons
OK, well then I cast another vote for TCM to re-run the series again. Sunday afternoons would be great!
Shaw changing the ending of "Pygmalion"
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Ok, I'm probably going deeper into this than needed, but here's how I see it:
Eliza was barely brought up by her absentee parents. She had to learn about survival on her own. A gentleman comes along and gives her the notion she can better herself through proper speech and temperment. In other words, you'll be treated as a lady if you act like a lady.
Eliza enjoys the attention of her schooling; Pickering & Mrs Pierce providing respect and kindness while unfeeling Higgins provides discipline & knowledge. Eliza succeeds in acting like a lady, but then realizes she will no longer fit into her previous life.
Eliza wants to be with Higgins because he is a strong father figure, he's so clever she wants to continue learning from him, he gives her the support she has never received before.
In true classic fashion, Eliza shows Higgins she not only ACTS like a lady, but has BECOME a lady by treating him with more kindness and respect than he has treated her. The pupil becomes the teacher and that's irresistable to Higgins, since he discounted women before (even his own Mother) he now sees the value of a woman.
I also love the sub plot of Mr Doolittle becoming an "authority" of basic human nature. The whole "class structure" part of the story is brilliant.