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davidmerciez, With respect, I must totally disagree. I love the Vintage score to SUNRISE. And as a Fox-Movie tone score, I am pretty sure it was released that way in 1927 to at least some theaters, not added in 1929. I think it's one of the best vintage score that survives. I haven't heard the Alloy Orchestra score, and don't want too! To be truthful I don't know very many people around here who like many of their scores, and that's an understatement. SEVENTH HEAVEN had a Movie-tone track in '27. "Diane" was a big hit from it. Why wouldn't SUNRISE? I wish Fox had kept the Erno-Rappee-Lew Pollack track to FOUR SONS, because it is not even close to the same film with Chris Caliendo's new music.

Karin, Thanks much for the link. I will post this on Nitrateville. Although, I thought the screening was in 2002, not 2001? In any event, apparently FORBIDDEN HOURS survives, despite the numerous sources on the Web that say that it does not? I had heard it repeatedly desribed as a lost film for years and years. Should mention that THE COSSACKS (1928) is still frequently mentioned as a lost film as well. It is not! I have a beautiful copy from a France 3 broadcast in 2001. The picture appears to be complete with no obvious sequences missing. The TCM Movie Data Base seems to infer that a print of FORBIDDEN HOURS exists? It is one of the first films linked with Renee Adoree in their profile. Lost films are generally not listed.

Ed, Aaron, According to this quote from "Decotodd" on Nitrateville, it appears a 35 Millimeter print, virtually complete of John Gilbert's TWELVE MILES OUT may have been found? It was screened at some festival just last year. Previously you had noted that only a few reels survived in 9 and a half millimeter. Well, this apparently is no longer the case? *I saw "12 Miles Out" last year in Los Angeles. The print was pretty sharp and complete as far as I know -- it had the first couple of previously missing reels that give the back-story of the Gilbert and Ernest Torrance characters. The Grapevine dupe begins with the break-in at Crawford and her father's house, about 30 minutes into the film.*

meowmomtoots, Oh for heavens sake, Robert Israel compiles scores for Silent's made up of mostly vintage "public domain" musical themes. All of which were commonly used as Photo-play Movie Mood music at the time. What He does is no different than a William Axt, David Mendoza, Or Erno Rapee-Lew Pollack-Maurice Barron did back in the day. For the record, those guys took credit for the complete score too! Even though they may have only included two or three original compositions in the arrangement. Where the music is still under copyright such as with Collegiate, or Freshie as is used on Mr. Israel's excellent score to Harold Lloyd's THE FRESHMAN (1925), He did provide in the credits that those tunes were used with express permission of the current copyright holders.

Mike, Colleen Moore's final two Silent films SYNTHETIC SIN (1928), and WHY BE GOOD? (1929), both recently rediscovered after years of being considered lost, had recorded Vita-phone scores. I don't think they contained any dialogue? I hate it when they would start talking in a film like NOAH'S ARK for example, with those exaggerated Broadway coached voices. This ruined what otherwise would have been a truly great film. If you have seen William Wyler's THE LOVE TRAP (Universal, 1929) with Laura La Plante and Neil Hamilton, about the first 40 minutes are a Silent, and the last 15 or 20 are all talking. The ill-advised dialogue is poorly done, and does nothing but slow up the pace dramatically, of what was shaping up to be a highly enjoyable film.

Mike, Yes Ed (drednm), saw ZAZA at George Eastman House in 2006. This was one of Gloria's major films for Paramount.

Mike, Actually, there were still plenty of Silent films released in 1929, and even quite a few yet in 1930. Many smaller theaters didn't even have sound equipment installed until the middle of 1930 or even later. That's why some Studios like Columbia, and Fox, were actually putting out both sound and Silent releases of most every production. SEVEN FOOTPRINTS OF SATAN may have been released someplace's with a recorded track, or Vita-phone score. Probably Vita-Phone, as First-National had merged with Warner Brothers by this time. Yet it was still a Silent film, Or Goat-gland Partial talkie. Mostly Silent.

Big_Bopper, Err, there seems to be a nasty Burr beneath you saddle? Better go check!

Ed, The survival of TIN GODS is a mystery? Silent Era.Com lists the films Status as "Unknown". However, other people have told me that had seen it at a festival years ago? They may have it mixed up with another movie though? I want confirmation on FORBIDDEN HOURS. Listed on Silent Era, as "Status Unknown" with only a trailer in-tact. Yet Karin several months ago, pulled up info on a live screening of the complete film back in 2002? Not just a trailer. I am sure the article was legitimate. So this is very confusing. Nitrateville members told me that knew nothing of this film having been found. I will locate the link Karin used, post the story and see what they have to say about this?

Mike, Woof! Here is a devastatingly beautiful still of my beloved Renee Adoree as a Gypsy Girl. Probably from the lost feature TIN GODS (Paramount, 1926)? Can somebody please find me a larger, and sharper image of this same breath-taking photo??? *Renee Adoree As A Gypsy Beauty*

Ed, Devastatingly beautiful still of Renee Adoree as a Gypsy Girl. Probably from the lost feature TIN GODS (Paramount, 1926)? Can somebody find me a larger and sharper image of this breath-taking photo??? *Renee Adoree As A Gypsy Beauty*

Big_Bopper, Huh? Say I thought you were one of the good guys? And what the devil is Tana fluid? Never heard of it? I guess that it is the nature of the human animal it seems to be perpetually dissatisfied! To think we can always do allot better. Even though TCM is clearly the finest network going today, we still bicker and quibble over it, and think we can mold it in or own image. Best be thankful for what you have, because you may not have it all that much longer.

Mike, I just colorized this gorgeous photo of Marion Davies. Must have been taken when she was still with the Follies in the 1910's? *Marion Davies, Lovely Vision.* Meanwhile, this next one I worked on last week. Though I had not posted in this thread. *Marion Davies, All Forlorn*

Ed, I just colorized this gorgeous photo of Marion Davies. Must have been taken when she was still with the Follies?

dougiezerts, I agree wholeheartedly. Television has become a wasteland of exceedingly trashy programming produced over the past 15 to 20 years and little else. With endless, and very loud commercials, and promos! Frequently, it seems like more commercial content than actual show! I would love to see another network along the lines of TCM that provides an alternative to this crap!

calvinnme, RKO Radio-Pictures, had been FBO (Film Booking Office), before changing their name in the late 20's, or very early 30's.

Mike, In all honesty, this is not a very good photo of Jacqueline Logan at all. She was an incredibly gorgeous woman. Haven't found much to show what Camilla Horn looked like. Might have to make some captures? There should be production stills from FAUST, THE TEMPEST, and ETERNAL LOVE around among others. O'Sullivan as I saw in "STAGE MOTHER" was some kind of Lovely creature.

The Maureen O'Sullivan is not low resolution. But the Harold Lloyd Still from SAFETY LAST definitely is. I workerd on both of them a bit. While I managed to make the Lloyd look better, I just dulled out the the other one. I was attempting to fix the skin tone. Part of the problem is there is not enough lighting on her face, and to much on some other parts of the body. I am not very happy with the results of either of these, and might start over, and try a different approach. As far as Picture It is concerned? Well, this depends. My current version seems to have no way to control transparancy levels? The former version did have.

Mike, Who is the girl in the 5th photo? I do not recognize her at all. The Harold Lloyd one from SAFETY LAST, looks like it was done with "Picture It", and not "Photo-shop". I believe that I could spruce it up quite a bit. Here is a photo of Jacqueline Logan, number 3 on my Top 10 Silent Screen Beauties list, that I worked on just last week. *Jacqueline Logan, Great Big Fan!*

calvinnme, Yes, I have RIO RITA with Bebe Daniels. But have never seen STREET GIRL with Betty Compson before. Thanks for the reminder.

*The very beautiful Jacqueline Logan*

smokey15, I agree wholeheartedly! MAN WOMAN & SIN (MGM, 1927) is over 80 years old. Maybe it's that Jeanne Eagels is in the film, I don't know? TCM can, and of course has run WINGS, but they are subjected to what ever Paramount provides them with for broadcast. Inexplicably That hasn't been the Photo-play Productions version. What is the use of having a superior version produced for Television and it is never seen? In fairness to TCM, it definitely isn't their fault that the old Laser-disc release is what Paramount saddled them with. I certainly haven't given up in my quest to get the Photo-play Productions version on TCM. TCM Programmer Charles Tabesh freely admitted that He was under the impression all along that the Photo-play edition is what they would be getting from Paramount when they inked the contract in the first place! Since then, He has been attempting to rectify the situation and clear the rights, but has been unsuccessful. Paramount/Viacom is directly to blame for the Kevin Brownlow restoration not being seen! I was told by some guy who seems to know allot about lease-agreements on Nitrateville, that apparently, there never were any American Broadcast rights as part of the arrangement with Paramount for the Brownlow restoration of WINGS? Just British Television. Well, to be blunt BIG DEAL! In 16 years, that should have long since changed! The Photo-play WINGS was produced in 1993! It all boils down to Paramount not paying Photo-play, and Carl Davis anything for all their hard-work! Gaylord Carter is passed on, and apparently has no "heirs" to speak of? That's why Paramount sticks with his Wurlitzer scored version. They don't have to shell out any additional royalties to anyone. It's recently come to my attention that the Safety-stock transfer used for the 1985 Paramount Laser-disc, was struck clear back in 1965! I am not kidding here! 43 years ago! Yet that is all that TCM is allowed to play of this picture! The Theater Organ score was also recorded sometime in the Mid to late 70's. By stark contrast, The Photo-play version I am told is very sharp, not muddy. It's pristine looking, and has all the original tints re-instated. Plus you have the awesome Carl Davis orchestral score! It seems that the Channel Four Silent's series, and Photo-play commissioned the Davis score for WINGS. Paramount had nothing to do with it. They may own the rights to the film itself, but Brownlow 's company restored, and scored this version not Paramount. They never purchased the rights to the score. Another fella on Nitrateville told me that Paramount already had a score, so why would they want a competing version shown? My answer to that is? Huh? In my estimation, It's not a competing version at all. Just a more recent one. If Paramount won't put out this version of WINGS on DVD, they should at least allow it to be shown on TCM! I mean the old Gaylord Carter scored Paramount Home video version from the 80's has been bootlegged on DVD and DVD-R all over the place for years and years! There is nothing all that rare about it. Conversely, The Photo-play edition is just collecting dust!

This list is a joke. Dominated by Action-fantasy films, gross-out humor flicks, and even Slasher movies! How totally depressing.

gwtwbooklove, Yes, I to remember the Bing, and Bowie segment when it first aired in roughly 1977. A classic. I have seen it somewhere else much more recently probably less than 10 years ago, but I do not remember where this was anymore.

Scottman, Kevin Brownlow said on Silver Screen Oasis back in May, that He believed there were also some rights issues involved with MAN, WOMAN & SIN. But I can't imagine what they could be? Do you have any idea? Brownlow said that it was important that this one be seen though, and the rights cleared. I feel the same way about the Photo-play Productions edition of WINGS.