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Jonas EB,
*PEOPLE ON SUNDAY* is being released in June. Anything on *THE WEDDING MARCH?* I have seen *LONESOME.* It is a very interesting film. Exciting to get an official release. What about *STARK LOVE?* or maybe *THE SHAKEDOWN?*
Meantime, my good friend Rich Oliver of *Sunrise Silents,* tells me that the new TCM *Now Playing The Show,* for *April* has something about a evening of extremely rare *Silent film Fragments* on the 3rd of the month. Including what he believed was footage of Colleen Moore's long lost *FLAMING YOUTH (1923)*. Also some Clara Bow as well.
I suppose that the fragment could be from *FLAMING YOUTH,* but it is probably *HAPPINESS AHEAD* which they screened fragments from during the TCM Classic Film Festival in 2010. Nevertheless, any Colleen Moore on TCM is a noteworthy development. As year after year, after year, I have waited in vain for something to turn up.
The Clara Bow fragments likely are from *RED HAIR* in Technicolor, and *THREE WEEKENDS.* The surviving footage from Lon Chaney's final Silent film *THUNDER* and maybe some other of his other lost features will also be shown. Even though only one reel of *FLAMING YOUTH* survives, I never thought that I would get to see it anyplace. Very excited about the *April 3rd broadcast.* Thanks so much to TCM Programmer Chuck Tabesh for devoting an evening to these lost treasures.
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What a joke. We really need a remake of BONNIE AND CLYDE.
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Hey, Rich Oliver of Sunrise Silents tells me that the new TCM Now Playing The Show, for April has something about a evening of Silent film Fragments, including what he thought was footage of Colleen Moore's long lost *FLAMING YOUTH (1923).* Also some Clara Bow. I suppose that the fragment could be from *FLAMING YOUTH,* though it is more likely surviving footage of *HAPPINESS AHEAD (1928)* which they screened fragments from during the TCM Classic Film Festival in 2010. Any Colleen Moore on TCM is a noteworthy development. The Clara Bow fragments likely are from *RED HAIR* and *THREE WEEKENDS*. Does anyone have additional information about this? Didn't notice anything on the schedule previously hinting toward the broadcast?
I'm still waiting for any sign of TCM debut's of either *HER WILD OAT* or *LILAC TIME.* The two most likely Colleen Moore Silents to show up eventually on the schedule. However, *THE DEVILS CLAIM, BROKEN CHAINS, IRENE, TWINKLETOES, ORCHIDS AND ERMINE,* or whatever else that they can get their hands on that has never been shown before would be plenty welcome.
And remember *SYNTHETIC SIN* and *WHY BE GOOD?* are still in line for preservation, and restoration. First announced in 2006 as having been selected as part of the on-going Vita-phone project. As year after year goes by, I become less and less optimistic that anything will happen with these precious finds. Both being films that were lost for decades on end, and still not preserved to Safety-film as far as I know. This project just can't seem to get underway due to lack of funds.
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I can't say that it was or wasn't the recent restoration. Hence the question mark. What I can say is that it definitely is better quality than what we saw a few months ago. Not nearly the artifacts, clicks or pops. Can't you see and hear the difference? I recorded the previous broadcast too, and there is no comparison.
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finance,
I'm taking a look at the recording right now. In comparison to what ran in December, this is clearly a much improved print transfer all around. It maybe isn't as crisp as I hoped it would be. LUCKY STAR released the same year is still a good deal sharper. There also appear to be a few short digital glitches here and there. Maybe this was just a makeshift transfer, not really fully processed? I'm not sure.
I assume that SUNNY SIDE UP was remastered from about a forth or fifth generation source. A little on the dull side. Whereas LUCKY STAR was probably more like a second or third generation.
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Unfortunately, I'm not home right now . However, I did set the DVR just in case. A couple friends tell me that the print of SUNNY SIDE UP TCM is running right now if much better quality than what we saw back in December. Is anyone else watching right now. One of my contacts says they don' t believe that it is the recent Museum of Modern Art restoration as it lacks the expected sharpness. Although, they do feel that it is a much improved studio print over the one from a few months ago. Cleaner audio, and far less artifacts. Can't wait to check it out this evening. Just hope the timer was correct. I still think that the older transfer that TCM showed in Prime-time was a programming botch. It was supposed to be the new version. Why else a Prime-time debut?
Want to be sure to thank Chuck Tabesh if this is the new Museum Of Modern Art restoration. That was quick! Now, if we could just get that long promised new transfer of the THE BIG PARADE to premier. Not to mention a debut for HER WILD OAT or maybe LILAC TIME.
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calvinnme said,
> Peacock Alley (1930) - Mae Murray talkie
I would rather see the original 1922 Silent version of *PEACOCK ALLEY* which also Starred Mae Murray at the height of her career. At the time she was considered the screen's most glamorous Star. Unfortunately, I don't know for sure if that version still exists or not? I can say that a bunch of rare Mae Murray features from the early 20's are part of the Gosfilmofond Russian Archive collection.
Murray was a huge Star long before Starring in Von Stroheim's THE MERRY WIDOW with John Gilbert in 1925. Just released by Warner Archive I'm much more interested with getting some of Colleen Moore's restored films on DVD and TCM, than I am Mae Murray's.
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Well, for TV shows I believe they have only released the first 4 seasons of LAVERNE AND SHIRLEY. Where is the rest of the series?
I remember some years ago I asked about this at Wal-Mart or someplace. The kid went to look it up on the computer and said, "How do you spell that???" I thought Oh no....
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Whoops, I'm sorry the Civil War Night is actually on April 11 th not in May. I was thinking of May because that is generally when the Annual Race In Hollywood Festival is scheduled. Anyway, I assume that next month we will hear the new score to THE GENERAL, but I'm not sure?
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Breaking News, *Rodney Sauer* of *Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra* mentioned on another board tonight that Buster Keaton's *THE GENERAL (1926)* will air on TCM in April. Debuting Monday, the 11th during the Civil War Films Festival with a musical score never before heard with the film on TCM. To date, the score has only been available on the Mont Alto website, as they market there own exclusive DVD of the film. As with all of Mont Alto's scores, this one too has been meticulously compiled together from selections of vintage Photoplay movie mood music themes of the period.
*On a totally different topic, I've sent our score for THE GENERAL to TCM to run in the next few months, so that may be a new experience for those who like to try fresh music for old favorites.*
*Rodney Sauer*
Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra's score recorded a few years back, replaces the much maligned Alloy Orchestra score that TCM has been running with the film for the past 7 or 8 years. On the downside, this means that we will not being seeing THE GENERAL on TCM with the Carl Davis and the Thames Silents Orchestra score that is now available on DVD and Blu-ray from Kino. Nor the Robert Israel score, which is the alternate track. Have to admit I have yet to hear the Mont Alto score for THE GENERAL so it will be all new to me as well. I am therefore looking forward to the broadcast.
It is unclear if this will be the new print of THE GENERAL remastered from the original camera negative as seen on the latest Kino release.
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So do I understand correctly that TCM is running Buster Keaton's THE GENERAL for the first time with your score in May? Will it be the same as your current DVD? Or will the print be different? Maybe the current Kino Blu-ray transfer? They have never aired THE GENERAL with either the Carl Davis or Robert Israel scores to the best of my knowledge. Mont Alto's score would replace the Alloy Orchestra score that TCM has been running with the film for the past 7 or 8 years. Prior to that TCM ran THE GENERAL with the William Perry Piano score.
Quote from GS board:
*"On a totally different topic, I've sent our score for THE GENERAL to TCM to run in the next few months, so that may be a new experience for those who like to try fresh music for old favorites."*
Rodney Sauer
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Mark,
Just watched *THREE WISE GIRLS,* which I have never seen before, and personally liked it allot better than I did *RED HEADED WOMAN.* Which I had seen several times. I'm glad that I watched this. Got such a kick out of Marie Prevost, as "Dot" my late Mother's Nick-name. And Mae Clark was so pretty, with such a lovely speaking voice. Much more attractive that Jean was, as far as I am concerned. -
I think the board looks pretty nice myself. However, where is "Suggest A Movie"?. I don't often request anything, but I look in there everyday curious to see what people are asking for? Don't tell me that they are canceling this feature? Haven't had time to study a allot of other stuff yet.
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Unfortunately, TCM hasn't aired *TWELVE MILES OUT (1927)* also with Betty Compson yet. Warner's does own the rights to the complete film in 35 millimeter. The other MGM Silent films we are waiting on would be *HIS HOUR (1924), WIFE OF THE CENTAUR (1924), MAN, WOMAN & SIN (1927),* and *THE COSSACKS (1928).* I have a very good recording of the latter from France 3, but it hasn't debuted on TCM so far, and isn't likely to anytime soon either. Though I would love to be proven wrong. Any of those would definitely be welcome additions. TCM hasn't broadcast his Fox feature *MONTE CRISTO* (1922) either
*FOUR WALLS* also with Crawford, and *MASKS OF THE DEVIL* are both apparently lost. *THE SHOW (1927)* will probably be released by Warner Archive soon. They just released Von Stroheim's *THE MERRY WIDOW (1925)* with Mae Murray today.
Those Gilbert titles previously released include *HE WHO GETS SLAPPED (1924), LA BOHEME (1926),* and *DESERT NIGHTS (1929).* And of course the Garbo Silents Set contained *FLESH AND THE DEVIL (1926),* While Flicker Alley released King Vidor's long Lost *BARDELYS THE MAGNIFICENT* with Eleanor Boardman on DVD a couple years ago. There is still no trace of *THE BIG PARADE* or *A WOMAN OF AFFAIRS.*
Among his sound films, I am not sure which ones Warner Archive has released to date? Probably *DOWNSTAIRS (1932).*
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JonasEB,
Well, nothing that has ties to Photoplay Productions or Kevin Brownlow has been released through Warner Archive, and no Carl Davis scores. However, there have been a couple films with Robert Israel scores, which was surprising. I would say that these three films today are arguably the biggest Silents that Warner Archive has issued to date.
There are just not a whole lot of of titles left with recorded scores to release before they get to the Kevin Brownlow-David Gill ones. These are the only other titles that I can think of off hand.
*THE CONQUERING POWER (1921)*
*THE RAGMAN (1925)*
*THE BLACKBIRD (1926)*
*MARE NOSTRUM (1926)*
*THE SCARLET LETTER (1926)*
*TELL IT TO THE MARINES*
*THE SHOW (1927)*
*WEST OF ZANZIBAR (1928)*
*THE VIKING (1928)*
*THE MYSTERIOUS ISLAND (1929)*
After these 10 films. All that is left are the Thames/Photoplay biggies.*THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE, GREED, THE BIG PARADE, OLD HEIDELBERG, THE WIND, A WOMAN OF AFFAIRS THE CROWD, and SHOW PEOPLE.* To be honest,. I could care less about *GREED.* I never liked the movie to start with. But *THE BIG PARADE* is the most important in my opinion. Of course neither *GREED* or *SHOW PEOPLE* is as tied to Photoplay as the others are. The same might be said for *A WOMAN OF AFFAIRS,* since a version with a Movie-tone track exists. *GREED* has the 4 hour reconstruction with the Robert Israel score. Not tied at all to the earlier Thames version. *SHOW PEOPLE* always airs on TCM with the Vintage Axt-Mendoza track. Never with the Carl Davis score.
There are also the few Silents that were pulled from release due to processing and encoding errors. I think they were *PRISONER OF ZENDA (1922), BEAU BRUMMEL, THE MAGICIAN (1926).* Also possibly *THE WHITE SISTER (1923)* which a friend of mine said that he could not find on the Website at all, even though it was just released a few months ago. Are these titles back on Sale again? I haven't checked.
If after all these years we do not get the new restoration of *THE BIG PARADE* that we have been waiting on, I will feel extremely betrayed. Because why was the new restoration done if it was never going to be released on DVD-Blu-ray, nor shown on TCM eventually? 7 years is eventually. They could have released the old Thames Silents version from the early 80's, which TCM still runs, 10 years ago. At least it would have been out there. If they release it now, the new print remastered from the original camera negative in 2004 will never be seen. Sync it up with the Carl Davis score, or the Axt-Mendoza one or both, and get it out there. Time is running out for this to happen. If they are waiting for economic recovery, than it will never happen. To much corporate Greed, and political incompetence all over the globe, not just in America. When Oil Barons are talking $7.00 a gallon Gasoline by Summer. than that pretty much says it all.
Here is the link for *DON JUAN.* Not even a Image of the cover posted yet. Must not be ready. But the DVD-R supposedly went on sale today.
http://www.wbshop.com/New-Releases/ARCHIVENEW,default,sc.html?promo=bWACNR3-8-11archivehome
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Breaking news. Out of the clear blue, Warner Archive is releasing *THE MERRY WIDOW (1925), DON JUAN (1926),* and *NOAH'S ARK (1928)* today. While it's good to see these titles finally available, it is somewhat disappointing that *THE MERRY WIDOW* presumably won't be released with the superior Orchestral score that I mentioned here recently, or the brand new Maud Nelissen score. As this film is well over 2 hours long, I hope it's burned to dual-layer media.
I would have to say that all three releases caught me by complete surprise. I definitely was not expecting them at this time. And here *NOAH'S ARK* is on TCM later this month for the first time in 6 or 7 years. You would think they would wait until after the broadcast. However, they have been showing a graphic of the Warner Archive discs just after airing them on TCM lately.
*DON JUAN* is certainly one of the most long awaited Silents that the WB has. I'm assuming this will be the same as the previous laser-disc release with the great original William Axt Vita-phone score. There is no indication that the film has been newly remastered, but it was always a very good print. Nevertheless, some people will undoubtedly not be pleased that none of these film were reserved for more upscale general release.
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Breaking news. Out of the clear blue, Warner Archive is releasing *THE MERRY WIDOW (1925), DON JUAN (1926),* and *NOAH'S ARK (1928)* today. While it's good to see these titles finally available, it is somewhat disappointing that *THE MERRY WIDOW* presumably won't be released with the superior Orchestral score that I mentioned here recently, or the brand new Maud Nelissen score. As this film is well over 2 hours long, I hope it's burned to dual-layer media.
I would have to say that all three releases caught me by complete surprise. I definitely was not expecting them at this time. And here *NOAH'S ARK* is on TCM later this month for the first time in 6 or 7 years. You would think they would wait until after the broadcast. However, they have been showing a graphic of the Warner Archive discs just after airing them on TCM lately.
*DON JUAN* is certainly one of the most long awaited Silents that the WB has. I'm assuming this will be the same as the previous laser-disc release with the great original William Axt Vita-phone score. There is no indication that the film has been newly remastered, but it was always a very good print.
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Duplicate post. Please delete. Boards not working well again.
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midnight08,
I'm looking at the recent Kino DVD version of Barrymore's *JEKYLL AND HYDE* now. I knew that it was not the same, but did not remember the details. First off the print transfer is much, much better quality than what TCM aired last night. Far sharper and clearer. And it doesn't look like it was a 16 millimeter dupe, but a nice 35 Millimeter master was used. Also It does have a Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra score. Not the horrid discordant notes score as Scottman put it, that the picture was broadcast with last night.
Question beckons, why didn't TCM run the Kino release? I'm pretty sure the last time it was on, they did air the Kino one? But the Image Entertainment DVD release would have been fine too. Anything over what they did run. I'm going to post a couple clips with the Mont Alto score on TCM CFU, so people can see and hear the difference. Before doing so, I will check with Rodney Sauer. Kino should also be unhappy, because people will mistake what was run last night for what they are selling. And that just is not the case at all.
Have to say that I am extremely disappointed that TCM would commission a new exclusive score for this movie and a very poor one, when it already had a very nice score. Meanwhile dozens of other Silents are in the Warner's vault awaiting musical scores so they can be broadcast for the firs time. What a wasted opportunity, not to mention un-warranted funds.
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No, Mont Alto Motion Picture Ochestra scored *ZORRO* and did a wonderful job in doing so. They did not score the Barrymore film for TCM believe me. I have almost all of their scores that have been released on DVD and their work is outstanding in comparison to this. I think Rodney Sauer would be seriously offended that you implied this was one of Mont Alto's scores. It said who the group was after the film, but I could not read that fast.
Mont Alto specializes in highly authentic Photoplay Movie Mood music. *JEKYLL AND HYDE* tonight was about as non-authentic for the period as it gets.
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No, The original score was not the more traditional Organ music. Organ was never really traditional for Silents anyway. Certainly not in 1920. I first saw this with a William Perry piano score, very good. Later with a theater organ score, and more recently with a pretty good small orchestra score. This was none of those. If you haven''t see it, be sure to record Fairbanks *THE MARK OF ZORRO* this morning. It is a 100 times better Music, print, and movie. Released the same year. Gorgeous restoration stuck from the original camera Negative. Very fine score by Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra.
Incidentally, Fairbanks originated the idea of "*The Mark Of Zorro"* There was no Z in the Pulp story that it was based on. Doug doesn't get the credit He deserves for inventing this concept. Used in every adaption of Zorro ever since.
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Good Lord! Where did this score come from to *JEKYLL AND HYDE?* It sounds like it was done by the same person who desecrated Chaney's *THE PENALTY!* Definitely not the same score that they have aired with this the last time it aired. Or the two other scores that the film ran with before that. Any of those would be welcome over this stuff.
On the bright side all hail *"THE SMALL TOWN IDOL!"* Now I want to see the complete film! This was just a excerpt. I think the original release was 5 or 6 reels.
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SansFin,
If someone had chosen Colleen Moore's *HER WILD OAT (1927)* I would have definitely voted for that person.
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I'm sorry I didn't know that I was allowed to vote here? Are there only three contestants this time? I'll go back over the lists, but struggling to drink in all this. And the small print doesn't help.
I guess I'm going with Lonesome Polecat, because He picked included the 1923 version of *THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.*
Just watched *THREE WISE GIRLS,* which I have never seen before, and personally liked it allot better than I did *RED HEADED WOMAN.* Which I had seen several times. I'm glad that I watched this. Got such a kick out of Marie Prevost, as "Dot" my late Mother's Nick-name. And Mae Clark was so pretty, with such a lovely speaking voice. Much more attractive that Jean was, as far as I am concerned.
Programming Suggestion: Clara Bow as Star of the Month
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As I mentioned in other threads, TCM is running a program with 2 hours of FRAGMENTS of Lost films on April 3rd. Including the surviving reel of Colleen Moore's legendary FLAMING YOUTH (1923). Also snippets of Clara Bow in Color from RED HAIR (1928). and THREE WEEKENDS. What survives of Chaney's THUNDER, and I'm sure there will be many surprises.This is followed by two more hours of UNSEEN CINEMA.
Most of Clara Bow's films are not available to TCM and likely won't be anytime soon either. Even though many have been restored. Some are lost, but there are plenty that are not lost, and not owned by Paramount either. MAYTIME (1923) is being restored. So maybe in a couple years or so it will pop up on TCM. BLACK OXEN (1923) actually Starring Corinne Griffith, is incomplete. Though more footage may have been found in Russia. BLACK LIGHTNING, POISONED PARADISE (1924), HELEN'S BABIES (1924), EMPTY HEARTS, PARISIAN LOVE, THE PRIM ROSE PATH are all Public Domain. THE PLASTIC AGE (Universal, 1925) exists from 35 Millimeter materials but the current DVD is a disappointing 16 Millimeter dupe.
The film that made her a sensation at Paramount DANCING MOTHERS, exists only in fragmentary form. Missing several reels. Paramount still owns MANTRAP, WINGS, CHILDREN OF DIVORCE, HULA and the incomplete GET YOUR MAN. Missing the final reel. I'm not sure if they own KID BOOTS (1926) or not. The famous IT is currently owned by Photoplay Productions from what I understand. 3 key loses are THE SCARLET WEST (First National, 1925), THE RUNAWAY (Paramount, 1926) with Warner Baxter and William Powell, and ROUGH HOUSE ROSIE (Paramount, 1927). All 4 of Bow's 1928 feature's when she was the biggest Star in the world are considered lost. THE FLEETS IN, THREE WEEKENDS, RED HAIR, and LADIES OF THE MOB but for surviving fragments. Hopefully, additional elements will surface among unidentified materials before it is to late.
The Paramount Talkies should be owned by Universal, and some have been restored, but most have not been. Among the Fox Talkies, CALL HER SAVAGE has been on the Fox Movie Channel allot. HOOPLA her final film is part of the TCM Classic Film Festival next month. Actually a remake of the 1928 Silent with Dorothy Mackaill and Betty Compson called THE BARKER which was also restored a few years ago.
Colleen Moore's movies one would think would be easier access for TCM Since most that survive are technically owned by Warner's. But so far nothing has turned up on TCM. Not even the famous LILAC TIME (1928) with Gary Cooper as of yet.